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[Dazaster Dellus]

I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. Anyone who knows anything about movies and profit knows that you never start a huge story from another form of entertainment off with some random unknown story with side characters or pointless characters. That is why most(and by most I mean practically all) movies are made from the main material and then they go back and make prequels, origins, side stories and the like. No Hollywood production company is going to give anyone not established in film $150 million to produce a movie based on something huge in another industry if it turns out they are actually making a different backstory or side story from scratch. It is too risky. It is more likely they will give a company/person like Bioware & the Director a huge budget if they walk into their office with something concrete that has already proven itself to be a big hit in another industry. It is all about profit gain, investment return, mass market draw and credibility.To put it simply there is alot more risk involved with one side as opposed to the other. As we all know, companies are not willing to take many risks.Especially these days.

OAN, as I have said before, let's just say they do the FCW or something else. Then what?! Are they going to do a FCW 2?! Are they going to just jump around the MEU doing random stories all to sideskirt Shepard and the main plot?! Oh wait! I got it! Maybe they will just create an all knew batch of characters and a lead protagonist that also happens to be saving the galaxy from the Reaper threat at the same time as Shepard. Only in the games there would be no mention of them ever and it would just end up seeming cheap and lame. So it wouldn't be accepted as part of the lore and if it was somehow, it would be terrible anyways. The bottom line is it all comes down to the Reapers. That is what Mass Effect is. Which means the Shepard story will end up being told eventually regardless.

Also, they are not going to force people to go and by the game. There are people out there who will never be gamers....ever! I am more than sure Bioware understands this as well. So they are going to present their incredible story the best way they can to those people who are the Majority. In a movie. Movie = Money from Merchandise, Advertisement, Sponsoring, Video games(which they already have) and countless other streams. That in turn means Bioware's percentage of profit increases a lot which in turn means that Mass Effect 4 or whatever it will be called will have a ton of resources at its desposal. If it is good that means money. If it is great, that means more money. If it is an Amazing classic, that is even better. At the end of the day it all comes down to the team (Casey, Director, Producer, etc) and how well they do it. Already having an amazing story and powerful characters justs gives them an edge and saves them a lot of time.

[LiquidGrape]

Here's what I say: screw the fans.

Make a good, self-contained film without regard for the fanbase, which you could never hope to please. Mass Effect doesn't exactly have a stellar story anyway, so if the Reapers somehow got lost somewhere along the way, I wouldn't mind at all.
Key here is adaptation, and any kind adaptation of the source is okay in my book, just as long as it is good.
Make Shepard a professional wrestler, have Wrex be a loyal employee at Mattell, render the Citadel the hotspot for an intergalactic porn convention; anything as long as you just make it interesting.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 23 juillet 2011 - 07:26 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

Also, one major thing will be different about the movie. Believability. The fact that it is a movie and not a game actually gives it some pluses. For instance instead of bringing 2 squad members while the rest hang out on the ship, they will more than likely show your entire team out and about fighting and doing things. This in turn should make the Virmire battle the same, but almost completely different, realistic and believable. They aren't bound by gameplay mechanics anymore as people like to claim the games are. There are plenty of other instances where the movie has a chance to shine apart from the games.

[DylanZeppelin]

Wow I get the feeling no one read what I wrote

[stewie1974]

"Legendary Pictures presented their panel for their planned game-to-film adaptation Mass Effect at Friday's San Diego Comic-Con with screenwriter Mark Protosevich and game creator Casey Hudson there to talk up the highly anticipated movie.

The Legendary exec on the panel said he was aware of the poor reputation of past video game movies, but that they believe the fact they're working with the powers-that-be behind the games gives them the confidence that they will make a film that will go against that trend.

What Did We Think of the Mass Effect Panel?


Protosevich said that past game movie makers were smitten with the visuals and action of the games and mistakenly believed they could simply recreate the game on film. The writer added that he believes Mass Effect has a mythology as rich and deep as those of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, but that they are focusing solely on the first game for the movie version.

Beyond that there was no real news to be had on the movie. There's no cast or director yet, nor did the panel show any concept art from the film. Maybe next year's SDCC will see a more substantial Mass Effect movie panel. "

Called it..so called it, thank you bioware! where's the dude with his reliable IGN source news who said it was about first contact war?

[Omega-202]

DylanZeppelin wrote...

Wow I get the feeling no one read what I wrote

I can say that I read it and that I completely disagree with your main assertion : that adaptation is a process that inherently "dumbs down" the quality of the original piece of work.  

I disagree with that assertion so vehemently that I don't even respect the person who says it, hence why it was ignored.  

Your second assertion (that the concrete nature of films takes away an element of interpretation from novels or certain games) is only one side of an argument and the fact that you don't bring up the benefits of film shows your bias in this discussion.  

True, you lose some of the imaginative and creative qualities of the work, but you gain artistic and aesthetic values as well.  You get to live another person's interpretation as your own, essentially forming a dialogue between you the reader and the films director.  

You get to see characters actually live on the screen in a way that most can't imagine.  We can feel pain or joy through characters in a novel, but we're limited by our experiences of pain and joy to portray these characters in our mind.  In a film, we can witness a character experiencing such emotions in ways we might not have been able to feel before.  We can learn to sympathize with different nuanced experiences that we can't empathize with, while in a novel we can usually only draw on our own empathy.  

So, no, people read your post.  It just wasn't worth responding to, other than to call you out.  

[DylanZeppelin]

Yes I am aware that there are benefits of making a film and the beauty of films as I did mention that I am a student film maker. I think the answers to the rest of what you said are there in my original post.

[Robert-42]

Omega-202 wrote...
So, no, people read your post.  It just wasn't worth responding to, other than to call you out.  

Wow, that was below the belt.

[Omega-202]

DylanZeppelin wrote...

Yes I am aware that there are benefits of making a film and the beauty of films as I did mention that I am a student film maker. I think the answers to the rest of what you said are there in my original post.

I had no questions, as you'd see in my post.  There is no doubt in my mind that your opinion is simply small scoped and that you're too concrete in your definitions to be worth consideration.  

"There's a reason why all these different mediums are there and that is because each is better at telling a story in a specific way, it's own specific way, that is what storytelling is about in the first place."

Yes, each medium has its own strengths and weaknesses, as you acknowledge here, but no medium is inherently stronger or more appropriate than any other.  Its the same as having a family story told by different relatives.  Everyone has their own view, their own version and different audiences often appreciate different aspects of the story better depending on who's telling the story and how.  

To say that the story of Mass Effect is one that is UNDENIABLY better told as a videogame is taking opinion and trying to make it fact.  In doing so, you're wrong.  

Throwing out things like "I'm a student film maker" is meaningless.  Any college kid with a camera, some free time and 6 credits in film making can make that claim.

Modifié par Omega-202, 23 juillet 2011 - 08:57 .

[DylanZeppelin]

Ok, I didn't mean that you had questions, I meant that my reply to what you said is in my original post. for example, when you said:

"True, you lose some of the imaginative and creative qualities of the work, but you gain artistic and aesthetic values as well. You get to live another person's interpretation as your own, essentially forming a dialogue between you the reader and the films director. " The reply was when I said: "no matter how great of a vision a Director has or so" this is what I meant.

I "threw it out" the first time to say that I am not biased towards vgs and that me being someone who is very passionate towards films am against vgs being turned into movies. I then repeated it the second time only because you said:

"Your second assertion (that the concrete nature of films takes away an element of interpretation from novels or certain games) is only one side of an argument and the fact that you don't bring up the benefits of film shows your bias in this discussion. "

Nothing I said I claim as fact, this is my opinion as in the begining I said that "I" am against vgs being adapted into movies. Where as when you said "hence why it was ignored. " and "So, no, people read your post. It just wasn't worth responding to, other than to call you out. " that was only your reason why people didn't respond. I am not saying you are wrong, may be you are, may be every single person on the bioware forums thinks the same, but I would like to know.

Modifié par DylanZeppelin, 23 juillet 2011 - 09:29 .

[Eternal Dust]

Omega-202 wrote...
They should be making a movie because there is more you can do in a film in terms of interpersonal relationships and emotion than you can do in a game. 

And you couldn't improve this in the game by having tighter writing and better VA direction? I'm not sure how having a full blown movie is going to instantly make it superior when it's contingent on a budget and time constraints.

Omega-202 wrote...
Example: The Virmire choice's emotional impact was completely based on your attachment to the characters.  The event itself, if taken just for its delivery was VERY lackluster.  The final parting words from Shepard, Kaiden and Ashley were all very devoid of true emotion.  There is so much more they could do to that scene in a well acted dialogue than they could do in the game.  In a film, they could show actual tears.  They could have a touching talk between Kaiden and Ashley happening as Shepard runs off to rescue one of them, knowing that they'll never see each other again.  Hell, a film could develop the relationship between Kaiden and Ash that we never really got to see. 

If a 20-30 hour game is unable to address so many of these "relationship" issues that concerns you so much, how in the world can you expect a 1 1/2 to 2 hour movie to do this? The situation on Virmire was a moment of urgency. Shep and Co. had to haul ass out of there before they all got nuked. I think in this moment, less was more. If you're more satisfied with having actors hamming up an unnecessary scene, then that's your perogative. It's not always going to work in a movie.

Omega-202 wrote...
There are so many reasons to adapt the story to film.  There's the emotional impact of choosing what two mannequins say to each other (which I love in the game) or you can see two skilled actors playing out a set of lines and actually showing some emotion in doing so.  You can get physicality into the performance.  You can get fist slamming and sobbing and pacing which despite the ME series's huge advancements, you just don't get in the game.

I thought I got more emotional depth from the games than from some of the stuff that passes as "movies" these days. Having actors and being on the big screen doesn't automatically grant a series more emotional integrity than what it has already managed to achieve.

[stewie1974]

octoberfire wrote...


If a 20-30 hour game is unable to address so many of these "relationship" issues that concerns you so much, how in the world can you expect a 1 1/2 to 2 hour movie to do this?

Hell that's easy, by having a professional script writter..... no
offense to bioware, but they do wear a lot of hats, they are not all
writers, they are "job title" and someone who also happens to write.., this explains why a lot of emotional beats are missing in a lot of the plot....and lets face it, M.E is mostly plot...

I thought I got more emotional depth from the games than from some of the stuff that passes as "movies" these days. Having actors and being on the big screen doesn't automatically grant a series more emotional integrity than what it has already managed to achieve.

True, there are some lackluster movies out there, but conversly  there are also masterpieces as well as  ones that manage to resonate to the emotional core ..... hate to admit this, but Disney and Pixar are generally the masters at this....it's like the KFC recipe, they have a formula that just -works-

[Eshaye]

Professor Panda wrote...

I'm so dissapointed in the people that have suddenly grabbed there pitch forks and declared the movie as horrible because it might be based off Shepard's arc. We don't even know if it is yet and people are already judging it. You have seem nothing as regards to the movie. You dont know anything. I myself dont care what its based on as long as its high quality.

You guys say this like this is news. It's not, those of us against a movie Shepard have always been against it since they made the announcement there would be a movie. 

And yes what exactly IS the big deal that some of us won't go see it for our own reasons? Get over yourselves, we've as much right to express our opinions and reasons to do so as you do. It's not up to other fans to decide if it's worth taking note of this opinion or not but BioWare, Legendary and who ever else is involved to do so. 

If you don't care then awesome for you, we're not so lucky to be in your boat, sorry. I really don't care if a million people go see this movie or not. I just know that I won't and I would much prefer a movie based on elements and characters COMMON TO EVERYONE'S SHEPARD'S STORY. Sort of like the novels and comics.

But whatever I don't go around saying how disappointed I am with the community for accepting a potential Shepard movie do I? Have some respect for other's feelings and opinions, that'd be a start to make this community a better place. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:24 .

[ChurchOfZod]

I think the Bioware boards contain the highest percentage of entitled fanfic writers on the globe. Hopefully no one from legendary will ever venture here.

[gamer_girl]

ChurchOfZod wrote...

I think the Bioware boards contain the highest percentage of entitled fanfic writers on the globe. Hopefully no one from legendary will ever venture here.

Hahahaha! Pretty much this. People, is it honestly that big of a deal if it isn't exactly like your game experience? You have the game for a reason - if you want to make the choices yourself, go play it and quit whining about a movie you'll probably refuse to watch out of spite anyways.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:07 .

[Eshaye]

ChurchOfZod wrote...

I think the Bioware boards contain the highest percentage of entitled fanfic writers on the globe. Hopefully no one from legendary will ever venture here.

And you're exactly who I'm talking to. Yes hopefully they never see how we keep banging on each other's opinions and posts either. 

Also who's entitled? Just saying what will be that's all, kind of like when you go to a restaurant and they ask you to write on a piece of paper if you have any comments, you're free to tell them you'd rather have less pepper in your minestrone. This is what the forums are for. 

lol... I swear. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[gamer_girl]

Eshaye wrote...

ChurchOfZod wrote...

I think the Bioware boards contain the highest percentage of entitled fanfic writers on the globe. Hopefully no one from legendary will ever venture here.

And you're exactly who I'm talking to. Yes hopefully they never see how we keep banging on each other's opinions and posts either. 

Also who's entitled? Just saying what will be that's all, kind of like when you go to a restaurant and they ask you to write on a piece of paper if you have any comments, you're free to tell them you'd rather have less pepper in your minestrone. This is what the forums are for. 

lol... I swear. 

Saying you'd prefer less pepper is different from sending the dish back before you've even tasted it. AKA saying you won't be watching the movie just because of what's it's going to be based on is a bit sad. You can't judge something until you've seen it. For all you know it could be amazing. If after you see it, you find something wrong with it, that's when complaining isn't ridiculous.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:41 .

[Eshaye]

I'm not a movie critic I don't have to go see something I know I'll be squirming in my chair while watching. I wouldn't buy a novel or a comic with another Shepard in it either. But I do have or plan on having everything else. That's sad? I don't know I find it rather dedicated.

I also don't read fanfic that describes their Shepards either, it's too weird for me. But I love those that don't do that. It's called a preference and it's all on BW's shoulders for making a game series that's custom to each player. I don't see this as a bad thing, it's actually pretty amazing. 

Other people say they won't watch the anime movie because they don't like anime. I guess those people are sad as well? 

Modifié par Eshaye, 24 juillet 2011 - 03:00 .

[Professor Panda]

This ^

[Professor Panda]

No wait not that. The one above it. ****

[Eshaye]

Professor Panda wrote...

No wait not that. The one above it. ****

Too late too late!!!  lol. I kid. 

[gamer_girl]

Eshaye wrote...

I'm not a movie critic I don't have to go see something I know I'll be squirming in my chair while watching. I wouldn't buy a novel or a comic with another Shepard in it either. But I do have or plan on having everything else. That's sad? I don't know I find it rather dedicated.

I also don't read fanfic that describes their Shepards either, it's too weird for me. But I love those that don't do that. It's called a preference and it's all on BW's shoulders for making a game series that's custom to each player. I don't see this as a bad thing, it's actually pretty amazing. 

Other people say they won't watch the anime movie because they don't like anime. I guess those people are sad as well? 

I'm not saying you shouldn't not watch it. What I'm saying is that you should save complaints for when/if you see it. Complaining about quality now is a bit premature, and not very fair at all. I'm just saying it's a bit closed-minded is all.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 juillet 2011 - 03:06 .

[Omega-202]

Eshaye wrote...

I'm not a movie critic I don't have to go see something I know I'll be squirming in my chair while watching. I wouldn't buy a novel or a comic with another Shepard in it either. But I do have or plan on having everything else. That's sad? I don't know I find it rather dedicated.

I also don't read fanfic that describes their Shepards either, it's too weird for me. But I love those that don't do that. It's called a preference and it's all on BW's shoulders for making a game series that's custom to each player. I don't see this as a bad thing, it's actually pretty amazing. 

Other people say they won't watch the anime movie because they don't like anime. I guess those people are sad as well? 

Are we to assume that you only have 1 Shepard playthrough?  That every time you play the game, you make the same exact decisions?  That you've never watched someone else play either game?  

I'm sorry, but that's just absurd.  

[Terror_K]

ChurchOfZod wrote...

"The writer added that he believes Mass Effect has a mythology as rich and deep as those of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, but that they are focusing solely on the first game for the movie version. "

m.ign.com/articles/1183708

"The Writer" being Mark Protosevich.

Riiiiiiight... contradictory much?

Mass Effect has such a rich and deep mythos, and yet instead of taking advantage of that fact they're just going to retread old territory. <_<

[UndercoverDoctor]

Glad they're focusing on the first game.