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[Kail Ashton]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love when people jump at someone talented as soon as he/she gains recognition. "Overrated" immediately starts flying left and right.

lol trolls will be trolls, anyone better than them will always bring about their whining attempts to drag them back down to their low leval, cause what have these things ever done with their lives? **** on a forum? their opinion is worth as much as a bag of doorknobs

[Eshaye]

Omega-202 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...


That's exactly what I'm saying, I've had a few run throughs but it's mostly to perfect my save. That's okay if you don't get that.  

No, its not that I don't get it.  Its a lie.  

I guarantee you that at some point in your playthroughs you made a different choice than you did in another one.  Saying otherwise is a lie.  If only because you didn't have enough Par/Ren points to unlock certain conversations in your first ME playthroughs.  Don't lie.  

Bringing me back to my point: if you made a different choice at some point, you have to acknowledge that "your" Shepard is not the only Shepard.  

 What a pile of crap, don't tell me I'm lieing about my own feelings puhlease dude. I know full well other's Shepard's isn't MY Shepard that's why I don't immerse myself in other people's Sheps and why I wouldn't be interested in a movie, book or whatever with a Shepard, any Shepard. Were there a canon Shepard, I wouldn't care about that one either. 
I thought I had made that obvious already. Ram your head against that wall all you want buddy. I'm free to change my playthroughs all I want and readjust MY Shep if I choose, but it's part of my choosing not someone else's. Difficult to grasp isn't it? 

IsaacShep wrote...

Vote in the poll: Are you happy Mass Effect Movie will adapt ME1?

27% for a Shep Movie vs 63% for something else and 10% indifferent. So far. But I totally don't make any sense right? 

Modifié par Eshaye, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[Ninjapino]

I will admit that I do have a "canon" Shep, but I still do play other versions who make different decisions. Still, when I'm playing the alt versions, I have to constantly remind myself to make decisions THAT version would make.....not the decisions I think they should make. Because, well, my main Shepard thinks like me. It sometimes gets REALLY difficult trying to actually role play with other characters than him. One version I have I actually despise and can't stand her.....but I want to finish that play through and see what happens even though I want to punch her in her stupid face half the time.

[Eshaye]

LOL Ninjapino

Furthermore, by my posts there's nothing to indicate that I do understand that from a marketing stand point a Shepard movie(s) would be good for the general public. It would put the series in the minds of non gamers and perhaps validate our hobby in the mind of public opinion, or at least it would be a nice step. Not that it would turn non gamers into gamers, that's not likely to happen for many reasons. But it would be great to enlarge the franchise into something epic like Star Wars. That might be THE dream right there.

I understand this, but in my own personal opinion I'd much rather learn about something completely different that we've heard of but not really seen much of. The fact that Shepard is the only thing that's cool about the ME universe and the only story that should be told to the public isn't a great reason. With talented directors, writers and what not, it really doesn't have to be this way.

[stewie1974]

Kail Ashton wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Love when people jump at someone talented as soon as he/she gains recognition. "Overrated" immediately starts flying left and right.

lol trolls will be trolls, anyone better than them will always bring about their whining attempts to drag them back down to their low leval, cause what have these things ever done with their lives? **** on a forum? their opinion is worth as much as a bag of doorknobs

Here's a list of door knobs..

http://www.doorknobd...r-hardware.html

About 68 dollars for at least one...

Multiply it for being a bag full, though you didn't quite quote the capacity of the bag. The full worth is not really known, but  seeing as most people are just giving their 2 cents, that's quite a return.

But warning folks, before posting any opinion about your -betters- be sure to hand this guy your full resume, otherwise you can't have an opinion.

[Ninjapino]

Eshaye wrote...

LOL Ninjapino

Furthermore, by my posts there's nothing to indicate that I do understand that from a marketing stand point a Shepard movie(s) would be good for the general public. It would put the series in the minds of non gamers and perhaps validate our hobby in the mind of public opinion, or at least it would be a nice step. Not that it would turn non gamers into gamers, that's not likely to happen for many reasons. But it would be great to enlarge the franchise into something epic like Star Wars. That might be THE dream right there.

I understand this, but in my own personal opinion I'd much rather learn about something completely different that we've heard of but not really seen much of. The fact that Shepard is the only thing that's cool about the ME universe and the only story that should be told to the public isn't a great reason. With talented directors, writers and what not, it really doesn't have to be this way.

See, that's the entire reason why I really don't want a Shepard movie right there.  I honestly don't get why a Shepard movie is the best idea  from a marketing standpoint.  I hate to say it, but Shepard isn't nearly as iconic of a character as say Master Chief or something.  Obviously people who have heard of, but not played the games before, have probably see his face or something, but they don't know the name Shepard like they do Master Chief or who/what s/he is to the series.  Couple that with the fact that now FemShep is going to get a bigger role in marketing and that's honestly just going to be even more confusing.  Shepard isn't the end all, be all of the MEU in the way that Master Chief is for the Halo universe or Harry Potter is for the Harry Potter universe or even (to a lesser extent) Deckard is for the Blade Runner universe.

As far as his story goes, while I'll agree it is the largest event for the MEU, it's hardly the most important to it.  Now, obviously it's about saving the entire galaxy in the end, but until ME3, majority of the universe has no idea what's going on.  Shepard is basically on a blackops mission the entire time.  As far as majority of the universe is concerned, geth attacked some human colony...some Spectre guy went rogue....HOLY CRAP GETH ARE ATTACKING THE CITADEL.....two years later...."been hearing rumors that collectors have been taking human colonies"....."yeah, if you believe in collectors". 

I guess it just comes down to me not thinking that Shepard is the only thing cool about the MEU.  I think there are so many stories to tell and I want to see it expand and become the new Star Wars or Star Trek.  Imagine if after the first trilogy of Star Wars, people just kept writing and making cartoons and comics based soley off those events.  Sure, you get some extended events that take place outside of it or from other points of view and people would still love it, but it wouldn't be nearly the juggernaught it is today with it's huge expanded universe.  Same with Star Trek.  The first movie came out long after the original series was cancelled.  Imagine if they decided to make the movies based off the events of the series, the first movie is a shortned version of Season one or something.  Same thing....people would have still loved it, but it wouldn't have grown nearly like it did.  Again, same as I've always said, I just think it's a missed opportunity. 

Modifié par Ninjapino, 25 juillet 2011 - 10:33 .

[Zigeroy]

They should make it about ME1 or ME3, and people shouldnt get mad like 'No, no my Shep is diferent, thats so not cooool man, thats not how it went down for me!...' Its not like it will actually effect them or there shep so they shouldnt care, so Im voting it about ME1 or ME3, however if it about ME1 it could turn into a movie trilogy!

Modifié par Zigeroy, 25 juillet 2011 - 11:12 .

[lofte_2000]

Zigeroy wrote...

 however if it about ME1 it could turn into a movie trilogy!

Like your way of thinking, this could easily be made into a trilogy.  As a huge ME fan I'd definately go and see it regardless of what it was about, ME1,2,3 or prior.  The ME Universe is so vast there's so much that can be made into a motion picture.

[Eshaye]

Ninjapino wrote...


See, that's the entire reason why I really don't want a Shepard movie right there.  I honestly don't get why a Shepard movie is the best idea  from a marketing standpoint.  I hate to say it, but Shepard isn't nearly as iconic of a character as say Master Chief or something.  Obviously people who have heard of, but not played the games before, have probably see his face or something, but they don't know the name Shepard like they do Master Chief or who/what s/he is to the series.  Couple that with the fact that now FemShep is going to get a bigger role in marketing and that's honestly just going to be even more confusing.  Shepard isn't the end all, be all of the MEU in the way that Master Chief is for the Halo universe or Harry Potter is for the Harry Potter universe or even (to a lesser extent) Deckard is for the Blade Runner universe.

As far as his story goes, while I'll agree it is the largest event for the MEU, it's hardly the most important to it.  Now, obviously it's about saving the entire galaxy in the end, but until ME3, majority of the universe has no idea what's going on.  Shepard is basically on a blackops mission the entire time.  As far as majority of the universe is concerned, geth attacked some human colony...some Spectre guy went rogue....HOLY CRAP GETH ARE ATTACKING THE CITADEL.....two years later...."been hearing rumors that collectors have been taking human colonies"....."yeah, if you believe in collectors". 

I guess it just comes down to me not thinking that Shepard is the only thing cool about the MEU.  I think there are so many stories to tell and I want to see it expand and become the new Star Wars or Star Trek.  Imagine if after the first trilogy of Star Wars, people just kept writing and making cartoons and comics based soley off those events.  Sure, you get some extended events that take place outside of it or from other points of view and people would still love it, but it wouldn't be nearly the juggernaught it is today with it's huge expanded universe.  Same with Star Trek.  The first movie came out long after the original series was cancelled.  Imagine if they decided to make the movies based off the events of the series, the first movie is a shortned version of Season one or something.  Same thing....people would have still loved it, but it wouldn't have grown nearly like it did.  Again, same as I've always said, I just think it's a missed opportunity. 

Excellent post, I think there's grounds for both really. The ME trilogy is already familiar and 'scripted' so perhaps they are thinking this would be the safest route?! I should think it would be nice if someone, not necessarily the movie but another writer for a book maybe told the story of the First Contact War, because there's many of us who'd love to know everything about that time, heck make it a mini tv series and get Ronald Moore who did Battlestar Galactica to do it! That would rock in my book. 

Also I'm still looking for an official statement that confirms the movie is really ME1 from the horse's mouth, anybody got link? And don't link me to IGN or any gaming site..

Modifié par Eshaye, 25 juillet 2011 - 03:29 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

Some of you guys are also forgetting that there is a Mass Effect anime movie coming next year as well. That will be the movie that more than likely expands the universe because it is geared towards the fanbase and a smaller niche market. For Bioware to be making 2 movies mainly for fans and both to have nothing to do with Shep would not be smart and is highly unlikely.

[shepskisaac]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Some of you guys are also forgetting that there is a Mass Effect anime movie coming next year as well. That will be the movie that more than likely expands the universe because it is geared towards the fanbase and a smaller niche market. For Bioware to be making 2 movies mainly for fans and both to have nothing to do with Shep would not be smart and is highly unlikely.

How exactly the live action movie being based on ME1 is "not for fans"? You do realize the great majority of people who will actually go see it won't give a crap whether it's about ME1 or FCW?

[shepskisaac]

Video on Mass Effect Movie from the Legndary Panel:
www.youtube.com/watch

Confirmation on adapting ME1 @ around 6:35

[DRSH]

Mass Effect - The Musical - Starring Mordin Solus

[Wynne]

Ninjapino wrote...

I guess it just comes down to me not thinking that Shepard is the only thing cool about the MEU.  I think there are so many stories to tell and I want to see it expand and become the new Star Wars or Star Trek.  Imagine if after the first trilogy of Star Wars, people just kept writing and making cartoons and comics based solely off those events.  Sure, you get some extended events that take place outside of it or from other points of view and people would still love it, but it wouldn't be nearly the juggernaught it is today with it's huge expanded universe.  Same with Star Trek.  The first movie came out long after the original series was cancelled.  Imagine if they decided to make the movies based off the events of the series, the first movie is a shortned version of Season one or something.  Same thing....people would have still loved it, but it wouldn't have grown nearly like it did.  Again, same as I've always said, I just think it's a missed opportunity.

This is precisely what I'm hoping for. I want the MEU to expand as well. I would LOVE to see the First Contact War happen. See Ashley's ancestor, for one thing. See the big events that happened off-screen in the game which shaped the entire galaxy and defined our roles in it as a species. I don't want everything to only be Shepard, no matter how much I like the character. I would like to see a Mass Effect movie after which I can say, "now I get the MEU better." And to my friends, "If you think that's cool, you should see what happens later as a result of all of that happend in the movie. The story continues in the games with x character and y character having been promoted," etc. It could convince newcomers to try games for the first time.

A Shepard movie... Mass Effect is better than that, it's bigger than that. It could become as big as SW and ST were in their day. This universe is fascinating, and it deserves better than to be stamped with a "SHEPARD FOREVER" label. Besides all the other issues (like which actor you prefer, which background, which class, alienating fans who just think Colonist is so much better than Spacer...) I just don't like this.

Maybe it will work out for them better this way, with default Shepard taking the lead, but I just can't muster an interest at this point, personally. I find him so boring and standard, so typical. I was looking forward to the First Contact Wars and seeing them unfold, being introduced to the MEU in a new way... now I just feel like, "Oh, I've seen this story before, but I've had it my way. Why would I want to see it again, without having a choice anymore?"

[Meglivorn]

Wynne wrote...
A Shepard movie... Mass Effect is better than that, it's bigger than that. It could become as big as SW and ST were in their day. This universe is fascinating, and it deserves better than to be stamped with a "SHEPARD FOREVER" label. Besides all the other issues (like which actor you prefer, which background, which class, alienating fans who just think Colonist is so much better than Spacer...) I just don't like this.

My word exactly. Thank you. Perfect composition.

[zweistein_J]

this is going to be awesome!

Modifié par zweistein_J, 25 juillet 2011 - 09:28 .

[ChurchOfZod]

Most of the folks here don't realize that the vast majority of players use a default male soldier Shepard. So these megadeep emotional connections they have to Wilhemina and Teddy Shepard and their speckled purple armor and personal journey don't amount to much outside of the Bioware boards. And that's who the movie will try to reach; folks outside of the tiny community here. No one except the small but insanely vocal minority will be "alienated" just because movie Shepard doesn't share their Shepard's background. But don't worry, there's always super obsessive and disturbing fanfics to keep you entertained.

Also to everyone saying that the ME universe is "bigger" than Shepard. Star Wars was bigger than Luke Skywalker. Star Trek was bigger than Kirk. But they were both still the focus of those franchises for about 30 years.

[stewie1974]

The story is told from the point of view of a human protaganist...

Yea you could have got that in FCW
No it wouldn't expose you to the larger universe of M.E as it would have been a narrow focus movie.

No ME movie canon is not going to affect game canon as they are two different things

Movies are movies
Games are Games
Television is Television
Books are Books

Movie is going to be based on the first game.
Polling a gaming audience about a movie made for the larger audience is pointless.

98% of gamers polled said they'd rather it be about FCW as they have played the game already.
2% Of those polled will make up the final audience who have NOT played the game at all.

Don't think of it as -your- mass effect
YOUR mass effect is the video game.

Mass Effect the movie belongs to the cinema going public at large.

If there is such a loud -gamer- call for a story about the FCW, then bioware should make that their next video game after the trilogy is complete...

Modifié par stewie1974, 25 juillet 2011 - 09:46 .

[stewie1974]

"I've seen it all before"

well I guess none of you have replayed a paragon with the same romance choices over again.

Or bought a dvd of a movie you saw at the cinema then.

[zweistein_J]

DRSH wrote...

Mass Effect - The Musical - Starring Mordin Solus

had to laugh hard with that :D:D

[therockiswwf]

I just hope the movie is good. I don't care about the choices stuff, just the movie being good.

[gamer_girl]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Some of you guys are also forgetting that there is a Mass Effect anime movie coming next year as well. That will be the movie that more than likely expands the universe because it is geared towards the fanbase and a smaller niche market. For Bioware to be making 2 movies mainly for fans and both to have nothing to do with Shep would not be smart and is highly unlikely.

How exactly the live action movie being based on ME1 is "not for fans"? You do realize the great majority of people who will actually go see it won't give a crap whether it's about ME1 or FCW?

Video on Mass Effect Movie from the Legndary Panel:
www.youtube.com/watch

Confirmation on adapting ME1 @ around 6:35

I think what Dazaster Dellus means by "fans" are the people who are so damn picky that they'll refuse to watch something based on Shepard cause it isn't their Shepard. In my mind the true fans are the ones that'll give anything from the ME universe a chance, but maybe the definition of "fan" now is the people who won't accept anything unless it adheres to their ridiculous expectations. Thanks for the video by the way. Now people will hopefully stop whining. Making a Shepard movie will make the most money and cost the least to make hands down.

ChurchOfZod wrote...

Most of the folks here don't realize that the vast majority of players
use a default male soldier Shepard. So these megadeep emotional
connections they have to Wilhemina and Teddy Shepard and their speckled
purple armor and personal journey don't amount to much outside of the
Bioware boards. And that's who the movie will try to reach; folks
outside of the tiny community here. No one except the small but insanely
vocal minority will be "alienated" just because movie Shepard doesn't
share their Shepard's background. But don't worry, there's always super
obsessive and disturbing fanfics to keep you entertained.

Also to
everyone saying that the ME universe is "bigger" than Shepard. Star
Wars was bigger than Luke Skywalker. Star Trek was bigger than Kirk. But
they were both still the focus of those franchises for about 30 years.

You rock.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 26 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[punchbag]

therockiswwf wrote...

I just hope the movie is good. I don't care about the choices stuff, just the movie being good.

Yep, same here.
It's stupid to complain about Shep's background or gender in the movie when no matter what it will contradict another player's Shepard.
Why care about any of that? Why care about whether or not Shepard is the focus of the movie?
No matter what it won't satisfy everyone.
Whatever details you want don't matter.
Only what the devs want is what matters.
It's their story, not yours. Your story and your Shep are in your game.
It doesn't make sense to make Shep like yours (i.e. short, fat, pink armor, bearded lady, raised by batarians, romancing elcors) instead of the generic default.
And it doesn't really matter if Shepard is like the generic default either.
The only reason people make a big deal over all this stuff is because they use custom Shepards. If this was a Half-Life movie we wouldn't be hearing all this bull****.
All that matters is that they make the movie good.
I don't care what they do, as long as it's epic. But I fear that it won't be as amazing as we hope.

Modifié par punchbag, 26 juillet 2011 - 03:02 .

[shepskisaac]

Sure it's their story. I just don't see the point in doing the same thing twice neither from fan nor from the author's perspective either. What will the movie add to the ME1 story? Nothing. When a book is adapted into a movie/TV series, sound and motion picture are added to the story. When a comic gets adapted into a movie, sound and motion get added to the story and already existing static pictures. What gets added to the ME1 story being adapted into a movie? Video games already have the sound and motion picture. If it's the same story, there's nothing new.

Adapting ME1 would make sense if we were still in the 90s/early 00s when the motion picture in video games looked primitive due technical limitations and the world and the characters looked like this:


It made sense to adapt to achieve this:


But what's the point in adapting the same story now that the motion picture (the graphics) in video games look like this?


The difference between how realistic the world/characters in ME look like and real-life is too small at this point to add anything substantial, unlike it was with i.e. Tomb Raider games from the 90s versus Angelina Jolie & real-life. Not to mention how cinematic ME series is. Seriously, what would be different between some of the ME cutscenes and ME1-based movie scenes? Different angles? Is it wirth practically recreating the same thing with slighty better 'graphics' just to appeal to the bigger market? IMHO no, it's not worth it. ME1-based movie won't be anything more than basically an extended trailer of the game.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .

[Ninjapino]

ChurchOfZod wrote...

Most of the folks here don't realize that the vast majority of players use a default male soldier Shepard. So these megadeep emotional connections they have to Wilhemina and Teddy Shepard and their speckled purple armor and personal journey don't amount to much outside of the Bioware boards. And that's who the movie will try to reach; folks outside of the tiny community here. No one except the small but insanely vocal minority will be "alienated" just because movie Shepard doesn't share their Shepard's background. But don't worry, there's always super obsessive and disturbing fanfics to keep you entertained.

Also to everyone saying that the ME universe is "bigger" than Shepard. Star Wars was bigger than Luke Skywalker. Star Trek was bigger than Kirk. But they were both still the focus of those franchises for about 30 years.

Really?  I've only seen the first three movies focus on those particular events in Star Wars.  Sure, Luke and the gang are in the expanded universe, but I've never seen that story retold in a different way before.  Same with Kirk and Star Trek.  In both franchises, I'm pretty certain there have been plenty of heroes and villians that have risen in the ranks to be just as important.  Those were the first, so they are remembered as the original big badass, but they are certainly not the last.  In fact, ask any circle of Trekkies who the better captain was if you want to see a massive nerd fight.  And on top of that....those were established characters from the very start.  They acted, looked, and behaved a certain way.  Shepard has none of that.  And from what I've seen, majority of the Mass Effect players do not play as default Shep.  Even still, that's not an excuse as to why he's the option to bring people in that have no idea what the franchise is about.  I still love how the people wanting to NOT see the characters they love and badass Shepard in the movie are the whiny fanboys but the people who are admiant about seeing these characters are considered "rational".  I would figure the people saying "I want to see the things I know I love!" would be the fanboys/girls who refuse to believe at all that NOT showing it that way could be any good.