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[gamer_girl]

@Ninjapino
Believing it's the best way and believing it's the only way are two different things. I simply think it's the best way (as in others could possibly do just as well but I see it as incredibly unlikely yet I would still watch it regardless of what it was based on), and they already confirmed that it's gonna be on the first game anyways so why continue to bring up other ways? I have no beef with the people that simply think that a Shepard movie will be bad but are still willing to give it a chance. I have beef with people who refuse to watch it because they're that stuck in their little universe. I can't really speak for what ChurchOfZod means though.

[Ninjapino]

gamer_girl wrote...

@Ninjapino
Believing it's the best way and believing it's the only way are two different things. I simply think it's the best way (as in others could possibly do just as well but I see it as incredibly unlikely yet I would still watch it regardless of what it was based on), and they already confirmed that it's gonna be on the first game anyways so why continue to bring up other ways? I have no beef with the people that simply think that a Shepard movie will be bad but are still willing to give it a chance. I have beef with people who refuse to watch it because they're that stuck in their little universe. I can't really speak for what ChurchOfZod means though.

You know I got no beef with you.    But, yeah, I bring it up when people go "look at this reason.  Saying it should be this way is dumb".  Like I said, I'm seeing it regardless and hoping it will be good.  I just go into slight nerd-rage when someone tries to tell me my opinion is dumb.  So telling me that "most people prefer default Shep" and "Kirk and Luke are the only important part of Trek and Wars"...yeah, I'm going to call you out on that.  I have valid reasons so I'll stand up for them when someone tries to tell me I'm stupid for thinking a certain way.  Which, again, I've seen that on both sides of the argument.  I'll admit I'm biased to the anti-Shep side so I tend to stay quite when I see a dumb argument from that camp, though. Yeah, I know.....bad form on my part.....

Modifié par Ninjapino, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:40 .

[Ninjapino]

I'll also admit to not being fully certain my above post makes full sense......I'm tired....I should be in bed, but I'm not...

[gamer_girl]

Ninjapino wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

@Ninjapino
Believing it's the best way and believing it's the only way are two different things. I simply think it's the best way (as in others could possibly do just as well but I see it as incredibly unlikely yet I would still watch it regardless of what it was based on), and they already confirmed that it's gonna be on the first game anyways so why continue to bring up other ways? I have no beef with the people that simply think that a Shepard movie will be bad but are still willing to give it a chance. I have beef with people who refuse to watch it because they're that stuck in their little universe. I can't really speak for what ChurchOfZod means though.

You know I got no beef with you.    But, yeah, I bring it up when people go "look at this reason.  Saying it should be this way is dumb".  Like I said, I'm seeing it regardless and hoping it will be good.  I just go into slight nerd-rage when someone tries to tell me my opinion is dumb.  So telling me that "most people prefer default Shep" and "Kirk and Luke are the only important part of Trek and Wars"...yeah, I'm going to call you out on that.  I have valid reasons so I'll stand up for them when someone tries to tell me I'm stupid for thinking a certain way.  Which, again, I've seen that on both sides of the argument.  I'll admit I'm biased to the anti-Shep side so I tend to stay quite when I see a dumb argument from that camp, though. Yeah, I know.....bad form on my part.....

Haha it's all good, bud. We all go into defense mode when our opinions are threatened.

[Dazaster Dellus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Some of you guys are also forgetting that there is a Mass Effect anime movie coming next year as well. That will be the movie that more than likely expands the universe because it is geared towards the fanbase and a smaller niche market. For Bioware to be making 2 movies mainly for fans and both to have nothing to do with Shep would not be smart and is highly unlikely.

How exactly the live action movie being based on ME1 is "not for fans"? You do realize the great majority of people who will actually go see it won't give a crap whether it's about ME1 or FCW?

Dude! WTH is up with you and the adding of words I have never even said.  Reread my post. It seems like anything I say you are right ther to wrongly contradict me. Just like when you said the movie wasn't about ME1(around pg 18) and also that IMDB Pro was a good trustworthy source for info and IMDB Pro = greater than IGN when they in fact they were the ones to have the wrong info.  SMH

[shepskisaac]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Dude! WTH is up with you and the adding of words I have never even said.  Reread my post.

You didn't get what I was saying. You said 'anime is geared at the fanbase and that non-Shep live-action movie would be as well. And I say that's not the case. ME1-based movie is also geared at the fanbase, if not more than FCW-movie because it's about what fans already know and love AND because 90% of the actual audience of the film won't know anything about ME universe, they don't care.

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It seems like anything I say you are right ther to wrongly contradict me. Just like when you said the movie wasn't about ME1(around pg 18) and also that IMDB Pro was a good trustworthy source for info and IMDB Pro = greater than IGN when they in fact they were the ones to have the wrong info.  SMH

Because IMDB Pro is a good trustworthy source. Doesn't mean they're ALWAYS correct, but I follow movies and often check info from IMDB Pro so I know they're trustworhy. They weren't this time, happens, I really don't have a problem admiting I was wrong in this case. And the reason I eventually believed in ME1 story was because other sites reported it as well independently from IGN and we got a video. IGN being right this time won't make me suddenly consider it a highly reliable source for movie news, I will continue to get them from IMDB Pro.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:30 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sure it's their story. I just don't see the point in doing the same thing twice neither from fan nor from the author's perspective either. What will the movie add to the ME1 story? Nothing. When a book is adapted into a movie/TV series, sound and motion picture are added to the story. When a comic gets adapted into a movie, sound and motion get added to the story and already existing static pictures. What gets added to the ME1 story being adapted into a movie? Video games already have the sound and motion picture. If it's the same story, there's nothing new.

The difference between how realistic the world/characters in ME look like and real-life is too small at this point to add anything substantial, unlike it was with i.e. Tomb Raider games from the 90s versus Angelina Jolie & real-life. Not to mention how cinematic ME series is. Seriously, what would be different between some of the ME cutscenes and ME1-based movie scenes? Different angles? Is it wirth practically recreating the same thing with slighty better 'graphics' just to appeal to the bigger market? IMHO no, it's not worth it. ME1-based movie won't be anything more than basically an extended trailer of the game.

I will probably kick myself later for biting this carrot but I just have to.

You are just speaking in Hypotheticals. We don't know what they can do to the movie to make it outshineor come close to the game. Almost anything is possible. They may add scenes that weren't in the game, but were in Bioware's original storyboard  and ended up being scrapped because of time. They may extend other scenes to make them better. They may come up with completely new scenes. One of the big things as I said before is that they are not constrained by the game's tech system. Meaning, they don't have to have Shepard only run around with two squadmates. They can actually have Shepard engage in CQC and more realistic combat other than duck, shoot, duck, shoot. They can have the characters react realistically to situations like a real person would as opposed to following game mechanics and scripted events. I could go on and on about the pluses of doing a live action as opposed to the game. Though honestly I would still prefer an all CG movie even over a live action. Do I think it will be better than the game?! No, Probably not. Only time will tell. But at the same time I won't sit here and blindly toss out wild claims that the movie has nothing more or better to offer than the game representation before even seeing or hearing anything concrete about it. That is just foolish. The storyline is only one factor oof creating a great movie. In the end it all comes down to the people working on it.

[Dazaster Dellus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Dude! WTH is up with you and the adding of words I have never even said.  Reread my post.

You didn't get what I was saying. You said 'anime is geared at the fanbase and that non-Shep live-action movie would be as well. And I say that's not the case. ME1-based movie is also geared at the fanbase, if not more than FCW-movie because it's about what fans already know and love AND because 90% of the actual audience of the film won't know anything about ME universe, they don't care.

But you and I  and everyone else on here would know the truth. Bioware obviously went with the ME1 story for the smart reasons I have already listed 10fold on here. For them to say "Hey! We are going to make a movie about FCW or something else" would be total fanservice. Why?! Because as you said. Most others outside of our little forum don't know or care about Shepard or anything ME related. They aren't the ones clamoring for a FCW story though. It's a bunch of irate fans with pitchforks on here. So for them to totally switch it up from what I already knew %100 was going to be the Shep story would have been gearing it towards fans as opposed to the whole. Yeah, the ME1 story is slightly geared towards fans but it is definitely geared towards the mass audience who haven't seen it more. Unquestionably so.   So I disagree.

Edit: Also, to add before I go to sleep I will say this. Let's put it like this.  ANother reason I believe the FCW is fan based is simply this. FCW movie comes out. The mass audience sees it and they are like "OK........Humans fighting something called Turians?!?"......."Something called a Prothean. What the Hell is a Prothean?". 

Meanwhile........all of us, the ones who have played all 3 ME will be like....."I know this place, and this thing.", "I know who they are and what happens to them.",  "I know everything I need to know to make this experience awesome and actually mean something even more than the rest.".

They will get to see the bare bones of the movie but they won't know anything besides what is in that movie. While we know 100x more and get an even better experience than them. Why should they get the short end of the stick just to please me? I would know very damn well that the movie was made more for me than for everybody. I believe in an equal opprotunity experience and I could and can wait until they(Legendary & Bioware) bring new people in with the Shep story so everyone is on the same page and then go into side stories and prequels, etc. Provided they actually make good movies to begin with.

Wow! That was way more than I wanted.

Modifié par Dazaster Dellus, 26 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[ChurchOfZod]

Ninjapino wrote...
Really?  I've only seen the first three movies focus on those particular events in Star Wars.  Sure, Luke and the gang are in the expanded universe, but I've never seen that story retold in a different way before.  Same with Kirk and Star Trek.  In both franchises, I'm pretty certain there have been plenty of heroes and villians that have risen in the ranks to be just as important.  Those were the first, so they are remembered as the original big badass, but they are certainly not the last.  In fact, ask any circle of Trekkies who the better captain was if you want to see a massive nerd fight.  And on top of that....those were established characters from the very start.  They acted, looked, and behaved a certain way.  Shepard has none of that.  And from what I've seen, majority of the Mass Effect players do not play as default Shep.  Even still, that's not an excuse as to why he's the option to bring people in that have no idea what the franchise is about.  I still love how the people wanting to NOT see the characters they love and badass Shepard in the movie are the whiny fanboys but the people who are admiant about seeing these characters are considered "rational".  I would figure the people saying "I want to see the things I know I love!" would be the fanboys/girls who refuse to believe at all that NOT showing it that way could be any good.  

No one said that they were the last. But they were and in some cases (Trek reboot) still are the focus. And somehow even in the face of this, the universes GET BIGGER AND BIGGER WITH EACH FILM.

And listen, I will have to dig around a little, but I read an article that stated pretty clearly that the majority of ME players use a default soldier Shepard. There is a whole big world outside of the Bioware forums. The point is that instead of creating a stand in or substitute protagoinst, use the one that is already there and is the focus of the series. I don't care if in 10 or 20 years we are watching the adventures of Commander Greg Wayne aboard the Deep Space Normandy Voyager 9. But right now the story and ME universe are focused on Shepard. Using any side story is just silly.

But the most important part of all this seems to have been lost in the blocks of text..

gamer_girl wrote...
You rock.

[hangmans tree]

I dont really get what the argument or debate is about here. Shepard IS Mass Effect. So to speak. You dont get any biger of a "personification" of the IP than Shep. With the movie you have to establish something first to expand on later.
How did Batman or Superman or Xmen movies start? By introducing main characters. Setting the stage. Following plotline with historical events as a backdrop in some cases.

BTW only BioWare knows how many players play default or custom Shepard.

Adapting ME is simply a good choice but dont expect to see all thefacts to be accurate an "canonical". Movie industry has its own laws and quirks...

[Ninjapino]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Edit: Also, to add before I go to sleep I will say this. Let's put it like this.  ANother reason I believe the FCW is fan based is simply this. FCW movie comes out. The mass audience sees it and they are like "OK........Humans fighting something called Turians?!?"......."Something called a Prothean. What the Hell is a Prothean?". 

Meanwhile........all of us, the ones who have played all 3 ME will be like....."I know this place, and this thing.", "I know who they are and what happens to them.",  "I know everything I need to know to make this experience awesome and actually mean something even more than the rest.".

They will get to see the bare bones of the movie but they won't know anything besides what is in that movie. While we know 100x more and get an even better experience than them. Why should they get the short end of the stick just to please me? I would know very damn well that the movie was made more for me than for everybody. I believe in an equal opprotunity experience and I could and can wait until they(Legendary & Bioware) bring new people in with the Shep story so everyone is on the same page and then go into side stories and prequels, etc. Provided they actually make good movies to begin with.

Wow! That was way more than I wanted.

*sigh* My computer just ate my long response to this so you are being saved a new wall o' text. 

Basically, I'm cofused as to how starting audience in a universe where aliens are already living among humans and it's generally accepted that all major technology is based of the protheans is a better place to start for people who know nothing about MEU rather than letting them be introduced to prothean technology and turians along with the characters.  I'm definiltey not saying start it in the middle of the FCW, I would definitely agree that would be terrible.  But, in ME1, you learned about all these aliens and prothean tech by walking around and asking......but in reality, being in a universe where this has been going on for 20 years and having to ask an asari why they are all female wouldn't make sense.  All that would have to be explained to the audience.  Why is there bad blood between humans and turians?  What's so important about this prothean beacon?  Who are the geth?  Qhy do all the quarians live on ships?  All this we learned in game by asking.  They'll have to find a way to explain that quickly and efficently in order to get back to the movie if it's based off ME1.

ChurchOfZod wrote...

No one said that they were the last.
But they were and in some cases (Trek reboot) still are the focus. And
somehow even in the face of this, the universes
GET BIGGER AND BIGGER WITH EACH FILM.

And listen, I will have to
dig around a little, but I read an article that stated pretty clearly
that the majority of ME players use a default soldier Shepard. There is a
whole big world outside of the Bioware forums. The point is that
instead of creating a stand in or substitute protagoinst, use the one
that is already there and is the focus of the series. I don't care if in
10 or 20 years we are watching the adventures of Commander Greg Wayne
aboard the Deep Space Normandy Voyager 9. But right now the story and ME
universe are focused on Shepard. Using any side story is just silly.

But the most important part of all this seems to have been lost in the blocks of text..

Yes, the universe did get bigger and bigger with each film.....and each game.....and each book.....and never had to repeat the same story twice (unless you count something like "Super Empire Strikes Back" which had Darth Vader turn into a scorpian ) Why can't ME do the same?  And, also, even if they used the default-looking Shepard, was it the male or female one?  Were they paragon or renegade?  What decisions did they make?  Never can you set a single Shepard and say "This is exactly what Shepard is." 

"There is a whole big world outside of the Bioware forums"  <---nice.  Getting condecending and trying to insult now. 

Modifié par Ninjapino, 26 juillet 2011 - 11:09 .

[hangmans tree]

Celrath wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I dont really get what the argument or debate is about here. Shepard IS Mass Effect. So to speak. You dont get any biger of a "personification" of the IP than Shep. With the movie you have to establish something first to expand on later.
How did Batman or Superman or Xmen movies start? By introducing main characters. Setting the stage. Following plotline with historical events as a backdrop in some cases.

BTW only BioWare knows how many players play default or custom Shepard.

Adapting ME is simply a good choice but dont expect to see all thefacts to be accurate an "canonical". Movie industry has its own laws and quirks...

Saying Mass Effect is Shepard is like say Star Trek is Kirk or Starwars is Luke. Its just not true. with in the series of these three game and books and comics they managed to create a living breathing world. And if they stuck to Shepard's story for a movie it would isolate all the new people to Mass Effect. This movie is not going to be made for only Mass Effect fans. That would be like targeting the Xmen movies at only comic fans. It would be a failure. The need a Charater to introduce the audience to the universe I highly doubt that would be Shepard.

I disagree.
Shepard is like Luke, a monument. He and his crew are the center of the universe. Not literaly of course! The same goes for Shep and his crew. The world is made to make it all belivable but its all as a support for the protagonist.
" if they stuck to Shepard's story for a movie it would isolate all the new people to Mass Effect"
This is simply not the case. Why would it alientae newcomers? Through Shep they would immerse themsaelves in MEU. What is alienating here? Explain please. Shepards story is a perfect entry point into the universe. It encompasses all the key problems. Inequality, racism, internal struggle, external threat, internal threat, cultural melting-pot...to say for starters. Shep encounters most of the factions, races and alliances...not to mention he goes head to head with most threatening entities and as a backdrop you have the universes history, not to mention history of man reaching the stars and fighting its way in the new found order - be it war or politics...

So, I strongly disagree.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Ninjapino wrote...

*sigh* My computer just ate my long response to this so you are being saved a new wall o' text. 

Basically, I'm cofused as to how starting audience in a universe where aliens are already living among humans and it's generally accepted that all major technology is based of the protheans is a better place to start for people who know nothing about MEU rather than letting them be introduced to prothean technology and turians along with the characters.  I'm definiltey not saying start it in the middle of the FCW, I would definitely agree that would be terrible.  But, in ME1, you learned about all these aliens and prothean tech by walking around and asking......but in reality, being in a universe where this has been going on for 20 years and having to ask an asari why they are all female wouldn't make sense.  All that would have to be explained to the audience.  Why is there bad blood between humans and turians?  What's so important about this prothean beacon?  Who are the geth?  Qhy do all the quarians live on ships?  All this we learned in game by asking.  They'll have to find a way to explain that quickly and efficently in order to get back to the movie if it's based off ME1.

It's smart/better from a business standpoint. That is pretty much all there is to it. That is the main reason. Additionally, it is good to have people on the same page as opposed to having the general consensus scattered because some people know what is happening, others know a little and even more still know nothing besides Turians hate Humans and vice versa at the end of the movie. The Shepard Arc has already proved valuable and minus a few things that need to be touched up on it could be better.

Also it is not always a great thing to introduce everything to someone from the begining. Leaving some mystery is something that enhances the experience for later. Tons of people(Hell, I would almost say all people) -even myself- have at some point or another in life had that feeling for something that we've seen where we are like "YEEAAHH! I know what that is!" or "I remember that!" but everyone else around you doesn't/ It kind of makes you feel good/smarter on the subject.

And all that stuff doesn't have to be explained to us in one movie or at all. Most of the stuff you listed will/should be explained throughout the general course of th film. You are forgetting that the film is going to be as long as they need it to be (which is probably around 2-2 1/2 hrs). That is plenty of time to fill in that story. As I have said before. They don't need to know every single last detail on everything like we learned in the game. Just the important stuff. As for question about races, I am more than sure they will have some noob soldier that has never been to space before ask the details of some races in some believable way to add to the story. That is essentially all they really need. Let's be real. Most people go into most things not knowing everything about everything. Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR. They didn't go into in depth stories about every race or object in their story. They immersed people and then fleshed it out.

If I was spoon fed everything in my life I would never really feel like I accomplished anything. It's only when faced with some resistance that one truly feels smart.  Another example is like when you start a new class and a professor puts up some hard work that you have no clue what the answer is. You are more than likely going to be intimidated at first but then over time the professor will break it down and you will be like "Now I get it! This is easy now!". On the other side, if you get spoon fed all the way through the course you are going to get bored, not care as much, and be like "Yeah, Yeah  I get it already! I can't wait to get out of here!" Now, just replace you with "movie-goer" and professor with ME1 movie and you will see the pattern.

Lastly, there are plenty of the same type of FCW movies almost every year. There however aren't many large scale Space Operas out there. Ad even fewer good ones. This is the chance for ME to do this from day one. A Space Opera will automatically have an advantage over all the Humans vs war movies because one  is rarely done while the other is done too much and has kinda worn people out. It is the same reason Casey and his team started us off in a Space Opera as opposed to starting us off in a FCW type of situation. The same reason most companies don't do origins first.

Forgive any spelling errors/mistakes this morning. Just woke up!

Edit: To add one more thing. It is some of those same questions that you ask in your post above that are great reasons for ME1 being better. It goes along in kind of the same vein as what I have been saying in this post earlier. It is questions. Not just any question. Questions that draw people in and keep them there. ME1 provides better questions than FCW would by far. Questions that people would want to come back in a few years for the next movie to see answered. Questions that make people stay in their seats just to see where it is going. FCW doesn't have that. Ok, let me rephrase that. FCW doesn't have as many or as large questions as ME1 does to keep them hooked. Mainly because everything is answered for them from the get-go. Others because they just aren't the best questions and things to be wondering about. That is why it is better to immerse people first and then broaden things out and reveal more. At the end of the day you don't want to have people feel lost, but you want them to be asking questions and wondering if things will ever get revealed.

Modifié par Dazaster Dellus, 26 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[gamer_girl]

If you guys are worried about time management for the movie, it's really quite simple. If you think about the actual important missions in ME1 it is as follows:
-Eden Prime
-Citadel (meeting council, becoming a spectre, meeting some squad members)
-Finding Liara
-Feros
-Noveria
-Ilos
-Citadel

Really they could probably do each in about 15 minutes. That leaves a whole 45 minutes to add in extra stuff. People forget that a lot of time is taken in games to actually do gameplay. That and a lot of the dialogue that isn't necessarily useless, but isn't important. Not to mention a lot of the side missions took a ton of time (especially if you were crazy like me and HAD to find everything on each planet =P)
Honestly though I think the best time layout would be this:
-Eden Prime 10 minutes
-Citadel 15-20 minutes
-Finding Liara 10 minutes
-Feros 10-15 minutes
-Noveria 20 minutes
-Ilos 15 minutes
-Citadel 20 minutes

That's at most 110 minutes. So with that, there's 40 minutes for extra stuff, or adding more detail to some of those missions. They'll have enough time, so I think people are fretting a bit too much.

Edit: Can't believe I forgot Virmire. XD
Ya I'd cut out Feros cause it isn't exactly essential. Although I'd miss getting a chance to see the thorian and thorian creepers in a movie. So maybe cut out the finding Liara mission and have you meet her on the Citadel instead. I'd rather keep the more exciting mission so Feros>Artemis Tao Liara mission

Modifié par gamer_girl, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

[stewie1974]

How are people confused about a story where aliens are already living along side humans with out need of explaination????????

Star Wars 1977 did it, it's the most successful sci-fantasy Movie ever.
Star Trek did it in 1966... it's the most successful sci-fi series ever. ((discounting Dr Who which started off as a science drama for kids))

There have literally been thousands, THOUSANDS of sci-fi films where humans make first contact with an alien species... FEW have stood the test of time.

Space Opera's where we dive into the story half way through , there's only been a couple, and of those couple they have mostly ALL been successess... Star Wars, is the movie success

Babylon 5, Star Trek are space operas that were successes as tv series

Star Gate the movie ((which is essentially the plot for first contact war... found alien artifact, encountered hostile forces)) FLOPPED at the box office...it was only when turned into a TELEVISION SERIES that it became successful.

Space Opera's like star wars, there aint many contenders movie wise.... Alien invasion/ First Contact movies they are a dime a dozen and usually flop.... the most successful first contact movie is War Of The Worlds....

Horror Sci- Fi is generally where first contact succeeds.... Alien, The Thing, Predator and that's where -first contact- generally does -really- well.

Still it's all a moot point, because thankfully people in the industry and bioware know all this stuff already....and are going to deliver an awesome movie based on the thing that made mass effect successful in the first place, and that's this world they introduced in mass effect ..via shepard, via the plot device.... thank the maker.

I'm sure bioware is now aware there is a GAMER market for "Mass Effect: First Contact" and they may well deliver a video game prequel to mass effect labeled the same.... cuz lets face it...you said you wanted that story, why not give it to you in a format you can actually explore... New Gamers might also buy it based on the MASS EFFECT movie that follows the original game plot.

[ChurchOfZod]

Agreed with both posts. And @ gamer_girl, I'd even go as far as cutting out Feros to give more time to fleshing out side characters and the main narrative.

[shepskisaac]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

I will probably kick myself later for biting this carrot but I just have to.

You are just speaking in Hypotheticals. We don't know what they can do to the movie to make it outshineor come close to the game. Almost anything is possible. They may add scenes that weren't in the game, but were in Bioware's original storyboard  and ended up being scrapped because of time. They may extend other scenes to make them better. They may come up with completely new scenes. One of the big things as I said before is that they are not constrained by the game's tech system. Meaning, they don't have to have Shepard only run around with two squadmates. They can actually have Shepard engage in CQC and more realistic combat other than duck, shoot, duck, shoot. They can have the characters react realistically to situations like a real person would as opposed to following game mechanics and scripted events. I could go on and on about the pluses of doing a live action as opposed to the game. Though honestly I would still prefer an all CG movie even over a live action. Do I think it will be better than the game?! No, Probably not. Only time will tell. But at the same time I won't sit here and blindly toss out wild claims that the movie has nothing more or better to offer than the game representation before even seeing or hearing anything concrete about it. That is just foolish. The storyline is only one factor oof creating a great movie. In the end it all comes down to the people working on it.

Every example you've listed had expansion at the core while in fact, everyone knows the movie will have do the opposite. Seriously, they need to trim 40+ hours experience into 2+ hours. The story will be cut & trimmed heavily. Yeah, the combat may be better choreographed. But that's just prettier visuals. Better facial reactions is the same. Unless the script is heavily different from the game, it will be a recreation of the same thing, adding nothing to the universe. Why did they bother making the comics and novels consistent with the games if they go and make a basically a remake/reboot movie reheating the story already told?

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

They will get to see the bare bones of the movie but they won't know anything besides what is in that movie. While we know 100x more and get an even better experience than them. Why should they get the short end of the stick just to please me? I would know very damn well that the movie was made more for me than for everybody. I believe in an equal opprotunity experience and I could and can wait until they(Legendary & Bioware) bring new people in with the Shep story so everyone is on the same page and then go into side stories and prequels, etc. Provided they actually make good movies to begin with.

And why should they get a recreated ME1 story made specifically for them? ME1 as a game is already available for everyone, anyone can play it. Should they get a movie version because they don't think games are good/worthy enough to bother? It's another reason why I'm against adapting video game stories directly. It implies game version is not enough, that it's a lesser, somehow subpar form of storytelling art than a movie, that to be adapted into a movie is the ultimate form every story should aim to reach. Video games will never be treated by general public as a legitimate storytelling art form until the gaming industry itself starts treating its creations seriously, until it gets rid of this Hollywood/movie-complex and learn how to value games for what they are as they're good enough and don't need "silver-screen verification" of its art status.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 juillet 2011 - 05:47 .

[hangmans tree]

Celrath wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

Celrath wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I dont really get what the argument or debate is about here. Shepard IS Mass Effect. So to speak. You dont get any biger of a "personification" of the IP than Shep. With the movie you have to establish something first to expand on later.
How did Batman or Superman or Xmen movies start? By introducing main characters. Setting the stage. Following plotline with historical events as a backdrop in some cases.

BTW only BioWare knows how many players play default or custom Shepard.

Adapting ME is simply a good choice but dont expect to see all thefacts to be accurate an "canonical". Movie industry has its own laws and quirks...

Saying Mass Effect is Shepard is like say Star Trek is Kirk or Starwars is Luke. Its just not true. with in the series of these three game and books and comics they managed to create a living breathing world. And if they stuck to Shepard's story for a movie it would isolate all the new people to Mass Effect. This movie is not going to be made for only Mass Effect fans. That would be like targeting the Xmen movies at only comic fans. It would be a failure. The need a Charater to introduce the audience to the universe I highly doubt that would be Shepard.

I disagree.
Shepard is like Luke, a monument. He and his crew are the center of the universe. Not literaly of course! The same goes for Shep and his crew. The world is made to make it all belivable but its all as a support for the protagonist.
" if they stuck to Shepard's story for a movie it would isolate all the new people to Mass Effect"
This is simply not the case. Why would it alientae newcomers? Through Shep they would immerse themsaelves in MEU. What is alienating here? Explain please. Shepards story is a perfect entry point into the universe. It encompasses all the key problems. Inequality, racism, internal struggle, external threat, internal threat, cultural melting-pot...to say for starters. Shep encounters most of the factions, races and alliances...not to mention he goes head to head with most threatening entities and as a backdrop you have the universes history, not to mention history of man reaching the stars and fighting its way in the new found order - be it war or politics...

So, I strongly disagree.

Through the Movies Luke its very much defind.  With Shepard we all have a differnt Shepard how do they define him. Does he have biotics is he a soldier is he a he. No matter what they do fans won't be happy. its better to just take Shepard out of the equation for a movie. Basicly what I'm saying is without the player there is no Shepard. Sure the could toss in a guy named John Shepard and make him fit the film but would that really be Shepard. No I don't think it would.  

Disagree again.
Whoever they put as Shep - will be Shepard, the protagonist. And will be percived as such.
You play a Revan-brainwashed, strongly attached to the character - so what, LA has established he is what he is. Use him in a comics and so on whether you played the character as a female, rogue or whatever.
Does it derail the experience? No, the game is a game, you run it with your perspective and you have the other, official/canon vision of the creators. It doesnt change anything.

Saying that without the player there is no Shepard is a high class egocentrism and elitism. You have no right to the character. So BW can do anything that follows their vision of the fictional character. Thats it.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Sigh! I'm done. This about as pointless as raking leaves on a windy day.

[Spinotech]

I think 2 hours is too short, 2 hours and 20 minutes (approximately the length of Aliens) is more appropriate IMO. With the write-up below, I reached 162 minutes (length of Avatar).  Like others have said, the Therum mission or the Feros mission would likely have to be cut entirely or dramatically reduced to achieve a reasonable running time. Perhaps the most difficult consideration would be the development of adequate characterization over the course of the missions and avoidance of lengthy interludes.

Introduction – 5 min  cockpit Scene
  Discussion of Prothean beacon
  Feed from Eden Prime



Eden Prime – 12 min



  Ashley Williams
  Beacon Dig Site
  “Say Goodnight Manuel”
  Saren kills Nihlus
  Disarming the bombs
  The Prothean Beacon



Interlude #1 – 4 min



  Waking up in the Med-lab
  Talking to Ashley and Kaidan

Citadel #1 – 15 min

  Arrival at Citadel Tower
  Ashley: Military
Training & Background
  Kaidan: Council
not seeing the writing on the wall
  Harkin
  Garrus
  Garrus: C-Sec Experiences
  Wrex
  Wrex:
Mercenary Work &
Shadow Broker
  Tali
  Tali: Creation of the Geth
  Spectre Induction



Therum – 12 min



  Kaidan: Being a Romantic
  Prothean Ruins Entrance
  Liara T'Soni
  Mining Laser
  Liara: Archeology & Protheans
  “Run or Don't”



Interlude #2 – 10
min



  Mission Report
  Liara: Asari
  Ashley: Distrust
of Aliens
  Kaidan: Aliens
having “human nature”
  Wrex: Krogan and
the Genophage
  Garrus: Father &
Spectre Candidacy
  Tali: Quarian
People



Feros – 12 min



  Zhu's Hope
  Ashley: Belief in
God
  First Geth Attack
  Exogeni Research
Labs
  Garrus: Dr.
Saleon
  Thorian Data
  The Thorian



Interlude #3 – 10
min



  Mission Report
  Kaidan: Brain
Camp & Rahna
  Ashley: Family
  Wrex: Father
  Tali: Pilgrimage
& ship too quiet to sleep
  Liara: Interest
in Shepard
  LI: Romance
Establishment



Noveria – 18 min



  Welcome to Port
Hanshan
  Kaidan: Conatix
  Restoring Peak 15
  Wrex: Working for
Saren
  The Rachni
  Matriarch Benezia
  Liara: Reflection
  Hot Labs



Interlude #4 – 6
min



  Mission Report
  Ashley: Being
Black-listed
  Kaidan: Vyrnnus
  Tali: Father
  LI: Romance
Build-UP



Virmire – 18 min



  Disabling the AA
guns
  The Plan
  Disabling Base
Defenses
  Rana Thanoptis
  Sovereign
  Sacrifice
  Battle with Saren
  Detonation


Interlude #5 – 4
min



  Mission Report
  Kaidan/Ashley:
About Ashley/Kaidan
  LI: Romance
Build-Up



Citadel #2 – 6
min



  Lock-Down
  Locker Scene
  Anderson's Plan
  Escape



Ilos – 15 min



  Night Before Ilos
  Final Comments
  Security Room
  Vigil
  Canal Run
  Assault on the
Citadel



Citadel #3 – 15
min



  Relay Monument
  Up the Citadel
Tower
  Citadel Tower
  Garrus:
Apprehension of Saren
  Saren
  Alliance
Reinforcements
  Saren-Husk
  Sovereign
Destroyed

[Lord Jaric]

therockiswwf wrote...


I just hope the movie is good. I don't care about the choices stuff, just the movie being good.

 
I have to agree with this statement. This is my stance pretty much on everything, in particular, movie adaptations, I have enjoyed many movie adaptations that many others have hated because I judged the movie's story and the movie's story alone not compare and contrasted (at least not excessively) it with whatever it was based on, to me that just sucks the fun out of watching the movie when having preset expectations.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 26 juillet 2011 - 11:16 .

[Ninjapino]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Sigh! I'm done. This about as pointless as raking leaves on a windy day.

Hah, for once I agree with you.  I've had to force myself to stay off this all day because we just keep going back and forth with the same arguments.  We both have points we just think the others is the weaker one and it's not going to conclude anything in the end.  I was weak in coming back here one last time before I go to bed tonight, though.   

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^that......that is pretty much what we've been doing this whole time.  Haha.