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[SkittlesKat96]

1upD wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

kill_switch_423 wrote...

Some news, finally? Maybe we'll finally find out if it's going to be Shepard-centric or not. Maybe.

It's basically granted it's gonna depict First Contact War.

That was never officially announced. Am I the only one who really thinks the First Contact War was too short and involved too little of the Mass Effect universe to become an entire movie?

A lot of the time I've actually despised them not showing Shepards story for the Mass Effect movie but the more I think about it I've realized that there is a massive chance of them ruining the movie if they put the story from the games into the movie and I think the First Contact War is a great way of actually introducing the universe to theatres. Maybe if they are daring enough and have a big enough budget they could tackle Shepards story another time (although I'd prefer it if they didn't, like I said its just too risky...)

[Ninjapino]

MrDizaztar wrote...

I would like to point something out to everyone crying about the film being a possible Shepard Trilogy. Is the only reason why you don't want a Shepard Trilogy is because it might "canonize" Shepard? Frankly that is just selfish. It is like saying that you don't like somebody else Shepard because it is a different canon from your own. Or is because you don't want to explain the differences between the movie and the game? Seriously that is shallow to say the least. I would love to see a film version of Shepard like the same way I like seeing other people's Shepards.

It's selfish to not want a rehash of a story we already know and expect hollywood to actually put effort into a movie?  It's selfish for us to want them to actually concentrate on the art of making a good film instead of doing a lazy rehash?  The reasons I love the games so much (outside of the obvious "gameplay" reasons) is because the freedom of choice, the excellent story that is shaped by said choices, the level of exploration and freedom of exploration, and the characters I have grown to know and love.  These would all be ruined by a quick rehash of ME1. 

Most games have a basic Point A to Point B plot.  For example, Uncharted.  I love the Uncharted series.  If they did a remake of Uncharted one as the film, alright.  I'd still say it's a little lazy, but it's a very basic plot.  You're not taking anything away from me.  You might lose some minor detail here and there, but the overall feeling, point, and characters are still the same.  You make the plot of ME1 into a two hour movie, not only are you telling me and everyone else that our playthroughs were unimportant because he's the story the way it was MEANT to be, but you're taking away the entire feeling of the game right from the start.  It no longer becomes a movie about the Mass Effect universe, it becomes Mass Effect: The Movie!  I'll still see it....but after seeing them try to lazingly stuff that game into two hours.....yeah, I can't see that working well. 

Games and movies are both art, IMO.  Shackling the artist by handing them the first game and saying "make this" is only going to serve to make it a hack job where we have big name actors filling roles of characters that don't really suit them and massive explosions taking precedent over drama and intrigue. 

Also, when it comes down to it, why NOT expand the universe?  Again, we already know the story from the games.  We have our versions of Shepard.  We have an expanded universe glimpsed at in the comics, books, one really bad cell phone game, and even the Ceberus News articles.   I'd rather have something that expands on what I already know of a universe I love.  Even if that takes them longer to make.  Like a good game delay, I'd rather them take time to make it good then to rush it so I can have it by summer of next year.  

Maybe it is a little selfish.  But, I think I have a right here to be a little selfish and expect Hollywood to actually put effort into telling me an amazing story.  That kind of is there job.  (Unless it's a Micheal Bay film, then I just leave my brain at the door and enjoy the explosions)

[Captain Crash]

Well this will be interesting to get so Q&A on and Im interested in hearing move about it after Comic Con.


Like many, im quite reserved about the movie.  We all know how terribly games translate over, we seen it many times before.  I just hope its a loose basis to be honest.  A original movie based on the lore and technology of Mass Effect.  

Its a diverse universe.  The focus of Shepard and the crew should be kept to a gaming trilogy.  This is an opportunity to show us something new and different.  

[Terror_K]

MrDizaztar wrote...

I would like to point something out to everyone crying about the film being a possible Shepard Trilogy. Is the only reason why you don't want a Shepard Trilogy is because it might "canonize" Shepard? Frankly that is just selfish. It is like saying that you don't like somebody else Shepard because it is a different canon from your own. Or is because you don't want to explain the differences between the movie and the game? Seriously that is shallow to say the least. I would love to see a film version of Shepard like the same way I like seeing other people's Shepards.

Personally, it comes down to several factors for me. Admittedly one of them is the fact that it would canon-ise Shepard, and and thus pretty much invalidate the current Mass Effect media, because up until now it has all been desgined with the idea that there is no set canon for Shepard because it's whatever each player wants it to be. That was the whole point of Mass Effect, and that's why they made the books, comics, etc. not about Shepard but about other aspects of the Mass Effect universe and other characters, so that they could tie into anybody's Shepard. It pretty much goes against the whole principle of Mass Effect to suddenly canonise him/her and the events like that and diminishes not only everybody who has played the games' Shepard's but also the games themselves and Drew's books, etc.

Beyond that, there's other factors. Aside from the fact that almost all Hollywood adaptations of existing material lately take their own liberties and end up with the directors twisting things, retconning and making the films their own instead of actually being a good homage that stays true to the source material, it would probably be further altered and catered towards more of a mainstream audience instead of sci-fi geeks. When Mass Effect's main "thing" style wise is to be a homage to classic 1980's-era sci-fi that sci-fi geeks appreciate, it doesn't make sense to turn it into a cheap cash-in Hollywood blockbuster ala a Michael Bay movie and most other modern action flicks.

Then there's the plot: it would be far too rushed to get everything that matters into the movie from the original game. And that's assuming they follow the games properly. If they don't, then the thing fails because it's not staying true to the material and is completely changing the lore and canon, as well as setting its own. If it does stay true to the canon, then it's a complete rehash of the game itself, and that makes it utterly pointless. We've seen it all before, in the game. And it was better there because not only was it longer and not only could we interact with it directly, but it was dynamic and we could write our own story to a degree.

You transfer the basic story to the big screen while taking away the interactivity and the choices and consequences and personalisation and you take a massive step backwards. Much of the point of Mass Effect was to be an interactive movie and the original was a big step forward towards the concept of interactive cinema and moving games towards being more cinematic as a whole. It's a glimpse into the possible future of entertainment, and if a movie comes along and just rehashes all that while taking away the crucial points it's the exact opposite of that progress. Not to mention that we'll all know what happens and what characters say and do and how it ends. Heck, at the end of ME1's movie we'd already know all of ME2. The only surprises would be "what was kept and what wasn't, and what choices were made canon?" And that's not enough. You may as well go to YouTube and just watch somebody's uploaded complete playthrough if you're going to do that.

The best thing to do is create something fresh that ties into the existing canon without violating it and setting a Shepard in stone. It'll please all fans that way by actually providing some fresh new Mass Effect story, content and characters on the big screen we haven't seen before and it adds to what we have rather than detracting from it. There's more to the Mass Effect series than Shepard, any true Mass Effect fan knows that. It would also be a novel approach to a game-related movie, by actually being original and linking to the game(s) rather than trying to replace them and be a tired, half-assed remake that's almost completely seperate from them.

There's so much of the Mass Effect universe to explore and experience, and it would be a terrible waste for us to boredly go where everyone has already gone before instead of exploring and delving into the possibilties that this IP has. The Mass Effect universe is so rich and detailed, and it should be expanded and grown like space exploration itself, rather than us just sitting at home looking at the same space rock we've seen before dozens upon dozens of times from just a slightly different angle.

[CaptainZaysh]

IsaacShep wrote...

It's basically granted it's gonna depict First Contact War.

I bet it won't.

If you think Avi Arad is going to spend a hundred million dollars on making a movie about a codex entry you're crazy.

[CaptainZaysh]

Personally I can't wait to see the movie version of the story. I'm excited at the idea of a leaner and meaner retelling without the inherent limitations of a video game structure.

[MrDizazta]

Terror_K wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

I would like to point something out to everyone crying about the film being a possible Shepard Trilogy. Is the only reason why you don't want a Shepard Trilogy is because it might "canonize" Shepard? Frankly that is just selfish. It is like saying that you don't like somebody else Shepard because it is a different canon from your own. Or is because you don't want to explain the differences between the movie and the game? Seriously that is shallow to say the least. I would love to see a film version of Shepard like the same way I like seeing other people's Shepards.

Personally, it comes down to several factors for me. Admittedly one of them is the fact that it would canon-ise Shepard, and and thus pretty much invalidate the current Mass Effect media, because up until now it has all been desgined with the idea that there is no set canon for Shepard because it's whatever each player wants it to be. That was the whole point of Mass Effect, and that's why they made the books, comics, etc. not about Shepard but about other aspects of the Mass Effect universe and other characters, so that they could tie into anybody's Shepard. It pretty much goes against the whole principle of Mass Effect to suddenly canonise him/her and the events like that and diminishes not only everybody who has played the games' Shepard's but also the games themselves and Drew's books, etc.

Beyond that, there's other factors. Aside from the fact that almost all Hollywood adaptations of existing material lately take their own liberties and end up with the directors twisting things, retconning and making the films their own instead of actually being a good homage that stays true to the source material, it would probably be further altered and catered towards more of a mainstream audience instead of sci-fi geeks. When Mass Effect's main "thing" style wise is to be a homage to classic 1980's-era sci-fi that sci-fi geeks appreciate, it doesn't make sense to turn it into a cheap cash-in Hollywood blockbuster ala a Michael Bay movie and most other modern action flicks.

Then there's the plot: it would be far too rushed to get everything that matters into the movie from the original game. And that's assuming they follow the games properly. If they don't, then the thing fails because it's not staying true to the material and is completely changing the lore and canon, as well as setting its own. If it does stay true to the canon, then it's a complete rehash of the game itself, and that makes it utterly pointless. We've seen it all before, in the game. And it was better there because not only was it longer and not only could we interact with it directly, but it was dynamic and we could write our own story to a degree.

You transfer the basic story to the big screen while taking away the interactivity and the choices and consequences and personalisation and you take a massive step backwards. Much of the point of Mass Effect was to be an interactive movie and the original was a big step forward towards the concept of interactive cinema and moving games towards being more cinematic as a whole. It's a glimpse into the possible future of entertainment, and if a movie comes along and just rehashes all that while taking away the crucial points it's the exact opposite of that progress. Not to mention that we'll all know what happens and what characters say and do and how it ends. Heck, at the end of ME1's movie we'd already know all of ME2. The only surprises would be "what was kept and what wasn't, and what choices were made canon?" And that's not enough. You may as well go to YouTube and just watch somebody's uploaded complete playthrough if you're going to do that.

The best thing to do is create something fresh that ties into the existing canon without violating it and setting a Shepard in stone. It'll please all fans that way by actually providing some fresh new Mass Effect story, content and characters on the big screen we haven't seen before and it adds to what we have rather than detracting from it. There's more to the Mass Effect series than Shepard, any true Mass Effect fan knows that. It would also be a novel approach to a game-related movie, by actually being original and linking to the game(s) rather than trying to replace them and be a tired, half-assed remake that's almost completely seperate from them.

There's so much of the Mass Effect universe to explore and experience, and it would be a terrible waste for us to boredly go where everyone has already gone before instead of exploring and delving into the possibilties that this IP has. The Mass Effect universe is so rich and detailed, and it should be expanded and grown like space exploration itself, rather than us just sitting at home looking at the same space rock we've seen before dozens upon dozens of times from just a slightly different angle.

I see where you are coming from, but it is not hard to remember a time when comic book based movies were crap.  They either screwed the source material over (looking at you Batman & Robin) or they add retarded plot points that makes the hero in question "more human" (looking at you Superman Returns).  However, ever since Nolan's Batman and Marvel actual continunity, comic movies have become better and better.

Another thing you suggested was that the movie explore other parts of the universe.  That is fine and all but financially stupid.  First off, only hardcore fans would be interested in a side story to the main universe.  IMO, the purpose of a video game movie is to showcase the awesomeness that is the main trilogy.  Why introduce some side character that only has connections to series because of the moive's title.  When you make a fime property of a game, you are actually marketing the game to future players.

Another thing you is fear that the director will **** up the whole movie with his own personal style.  To tell the truth, it really depends on who the director is.  If it was Bay I would be fearing that the movie would become a straight Transformers clone, though he does have the fetish for military and explosions.  

[CaptainZaysh]

Ninjapino wrote...

You make the plot of ME1 into a two hour movie, not only are you telling me and everyone else that our playthroughs were unimportant because he's the story the way it was MEANT to be,

I really do not get this.  How does the existence of a movie Shepard make your game Shepard unimportant?  How is it different from the existence of other game Shepards?  Or fan fic?  If in my game Wrex is dead, and yours is alive, how does that affect you?

It's just an alternative interpretation of the story.  I don't get how it affects you.  People have tried to explain this canon thing to me but I just don't get it.

[CroGamer002]

Isn't it said long time ago it's about about First Contact War?

Best decision, IMO.

[ShadowSplicer]

No! It had better be the First Contact War or I will be pissed.

[Ulathar]

Mesina2 wrote...
Isn't it said long time ago it's about about First Contact War?

Didn't know that. Apparantly Protosevich said something about 'adapting the game to a movie' (I don't have an exact quote, just what I gathered from recent articles). That makes some believe it'll be about the game's story, the Reapers and stuff like that. Maybe Protosevich just meant the ME universe and the lore and all that. We'll see at Comic Con I guess.

[Love fool]

I want Mark Vanderloo as Shepard =)

[Bocks]

It has to be the Shepard trilogy. It doesn't matter how much this Shepard is unlike your or my Shepard, I want Mass Effect to be a successful sci-fi universe. It actually has the potential of being the next big sci-fi, and it shouldn't be ruined by some fans who believe that a completely separate view on the universe is "canon". You will always have your own Shepard. This is Bioware's Shepard. This is Hollywood's Shepard.

[CroGamer002]

Reason why it shouldn't be during trilogy:

1. There would be canon
2. ME2 and ME3 are too long to be a movie, lot of stuff has to be cut out or become mini-series
3. Got to have really large budget do to many locations and aliens
4. ME1 must be long as one of Lord of the Rings movies, if not longer
5. Most human characters wouldn't have same voice and/or face

[Stryke1]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Ninjapino wrote...

You make the plot of ME1 into a two hour movie, not only are you telling me and everyone else that our playthroughs were unimportant because he's the story the way it was MEANT to be,

I really do not get this.  How does the existence of a movie Shepard make your game Shepard unimportant?  How is it different from the existence of other game Shepards?  Or fan fic?  If in my game Wrex is dead, and yours is alive, how does that affect you?

It's just an alternative interpretation of the story.  I don't get how it affects you.  People have tried to explain this canon thing to me but I just don't get it.

I totally agree with Captain here, now before the rage of hardcore fans hits me faster than a Vanguards charge take note that I have - for the past 20 years since my childhood been an avid comic book reader/games player and have also had my own stubborn views on things i'd like to have kept as they were, but I never once understood the anger or vitriol that can be portrayed when (and this is more than just M.E the movie) things from beloved fiction are not portrayed to each persons tastes but therein lies the problem.   Look at a few of the (arguably) best sci fi/fantasy adaptations in the last few decades

1.Blade Runner - adapted from P.K Dicks novel Do androids dream of electric sheep an absolutely stunning rendition of sci fi at its best, great set pieces, drab looks in the underslums, haunting score and some great acting to boot (hell I sided with Rutger Hauer after his end monologue)

2.Harry Potter - adapted from J.K Rowlings runaway smash book series, took me a few years to be dragged into what I snubbed as a *kids only book* but hell I loved it and the film although wildly different to my imagination of Hogwarts, the land of the muggles and all the characters that were essential to the series, the film still manages to be a captivating escape (mostly due to the epic supporting cast around the main kids)

3.Jurassic Park - adapted from M. Crichtons brilliant novel this film diversed massively from some of the complexities in the book (and a shedload of the violence that was cut from the books version)  but when I sat in that cinema I was willing the jeep to go faster along with Jeff Goldblum, it was a great piece of work from Mr Spielberg and a lesson in how to make a dark book into a great family movie without comprimise.

4.2001 - adapted from A.C Clarke's novel which was bloody vastly different from the film in the basis that the book was very heavily structured around a strong narratave and yet the film was almost a silent movie in its own right with hardly any dialogue at all, but who cares when all you have as a rotating ball in space controlled by a mental red lightbulb all in the name of first  contact . . .  brilliant.

5 LoTR - I did have a big write up for this but I think the point has been made.

In all of those films above each book had a good strong following - none moreso than LoTR and some of the rage at castings could be heard from space (or so I was told ) but still Jackson stuck with his vision and gave us a great series of entertaining films, were they perfect? - probably not, were they close to the books? - in some places, not even close, were they fun to watch? - hell yes on a slice of toast.


So while I do believe its all well and good to want the ME universe and all of its diverse races, complex history and Dirty Harry Hanar -if- we were to base a movie away from it I think we would be doing the game a disservice, yes the fact there are multiple choices takes it from a different realm than books etc but your imagination still is what powers the book or you might as well just read an encyclopedia for all the fun it can entail.

The M.E  trilogy so far has been wonderous and a great stride away from other games in terms of gripping narrative etc, but it cannot and should not be swept away for fear of making a shep that *isnt mine* tbh i'm not that narcassistic - i'd just as much have fun watching someone play M.E with their choices as I would playing my own, hence I would love to see a very capable director give us a big screen version of his shep - long story short, as long as the story is handled by anyone with a modicum of storytelling ability and vision we should embrace it not snub it.


(sorry for the rant)

Editado por Stryke1, 07 julio 2011 - 12:16 .

[O Tucker]

I don't care what they do as long the film is of good Quality and its not just made to get sh*t loads of money..... I don't care what people say but i would not mind the first contact war or shepards story

[Bocks]

Mesina2 wrote...

Reason why it shouldn't be during trilogy:

1. There would be canon

It's only "canon" if you perceive it as canon.

2. ME2 and ME3 are too long to be a movie, lot of stuff has to be cut out or become mini-series

Or they could, you know, write it so that it's less videogamey? 

3. Got to have really large budget do to many locations and aliens

A First Contact War movie won't be any different.

4. ME1 must be long as one of Lord of the Rings movies, if not longer

How do you know? There's a thing called "trimming out the fat". + See point #2

5. Most human characters wouldn't have same voice and/or face

So? Is that really such a huge issue to you? I mean, it's a given that Joker would be played by Seth Green.

Editado por Bocks, 07 julio 2011 - 12:18 .

[Matchy Pointy]

First Contact War, I could probably like, Shepard, not so much. They should do first contact war and at the end, drop some hints about shepard, nothing more then a name, no gender or anything said, jsut something to tease with.

[O Tucker]

[quote]5. Most human characters wouldn't have same voice and/or face[/quote]
So? Is that really such a huge issue to you? I mean, it's a given that Joker would be played by Seth Green.

[/quote]

And Yvonne for Miranda Lawson

[O Tucker]

am not as worried as others about this movie, i mean take the lord of the rings films.Nobody thought the books were too huge for the big screen for 3-4hours . ... As huge Mass Effect is they should be able to fit all of main points and some little ones in a 2-4 hour film

[Matchy Pointy]

O Tucker wrote...

am not as worried as others about this movie, i mean take the lord of the rings films.Nobody thought the books were too huge for the big screen for 3-4hours . ... As huge Mass Effect is they should be able to fit all of main points and some little ones in a 2-4 hour film

I'm not so worried about the length of it, I'm more worried about they having to canonize one Shepard for the movie. sure, it's jsut one Shepard, but I still dont like the idea of a movie about her.

[SirGladiator]

I would hope that if they do a movie, they wouldn't just do one Shepard or the other, its likely that more people play as maleshep than Femshep, but most who have played both agree that Femshep is the superior Shep. No reason to only use one or the other anyway, you could have the brother-sister Team Shepard save the galaxy in the movie, that would make for twice the action AND twice the romance! You just can't beat that. Plus the fact that most folks wouldnt want to watch the movie if their preferred Shepard wasn't in it at all, I know I sure wouldn't, it would feel pointless. So just use both, everybody wins.

[Thane64]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

First Contact War, I could probably like, Shepard, not so much. They should do first contact war and at the end, drop some hints about shepard, nothing more then a name, no gender or anything said, jsut something to tease with.

in the books you find out that it was only about 100 humans and turians who died in the first contact war and the first contact war was only realy one battle so its not realy enough for a movie:(

Editado por Thane64, 07 julio 2011 - 12:37 .

[O Tucker]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

O Tucker wrote...

am not as worried as others about this movie, i mean take the lord of the rings films.Nobody thought the books were too huge for the big screen for 3-4hours . ... As huge Mass Effect is they should be able to fit all of main points and some little ones in a 2-4 hour film

I'm not so worried about the length of it, I'm more worried about they having to canonize one Shepard for the movie. sure, it's jsut one Shepard, but I still dont like the idea of a movie about her.

her? what about him?

[Matchy Pointy]

O Tucker wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

O Tucker wrote...

am not as worried as others about this movie, i mean take the lord of the rings films.Nobody thought the books were too huge for the big screen for 3-4hours . ... As huge Mass Effect is they should be able to fit all of main points and some little ones in a 2-4 hour film

I'm not so worried about the length of it, I'm more worried about they having to canonize one Shepard for the movie. sure, it's jsut one Shepard, but I still dont like the idea of a movie about her.

her? what about him?

I always use her about Shepard, since almost everyone use him, and my Shepards are always female