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[10K]

This movie is never happening just like the rewrite of ME: Deception is never happening. They lied, it's nothing new.

[WildOrchid]

^Hopefully. This movie would've been horrbile and butcher the game.... And you never do a movie from a game that has player choices. If it had a set protagonist and story then yes.

[10K]

^Hopefully. This movie would've been horrbile and butcher the game.... And you never do a movie from a game that has player choices. If it had a set protagonist and story then yes.

I agree I don't want it to happen either. But to be fair it wouldn't have butchered the series anymore than ME3 already has.

[Drone223]

This movie is never happening just like the rewrite of ME: Deception is never happening. They lied, it's nothing new.

Given how terrible Deception was, I can see why they haven't bothered with it since it won't be worth the effort.

[10K]

Given how terrible Deception was, I can see why they haven't bothered with it since it won't be worth the effort.

They said they were going to rewrite it, because of how terrible it was.

[Drone223]

They said they were going to rewrite it, because of how terrible it was.

Given how there are so many of them and the reputation it has it'll most likely sell very poorly and therefore won't be worth the effort/money to fix it.

[10K]

Given how there are so many of them and the reputation it has it'll most likely sell very poorly and therefore won't be worth the effort/money to fix it.

Well given that they publicly apologized for the mistakes in Deception, and told the fans that they would change the errors found by the fans. I would say it was worth their efforts. Fans were invested in the series of books and wanted the changes for Deception. Many even said they would have bought the rewrite. It wasn't because it wasn't worth there time, it was because they lied as I pointed out in my first post. They apologized and lied so fans could be appeased and slowly forget.

http://forum.bioware.com/topic/252682-del-ray-and-bioware-comment-on-mass-effect-deception/

Here's a link to the apology. People were glad the problems were going to be addressed. 

[Drone223]

Well given that they publicly apologized for the mistakes in Deception, and told the fans that they would change the errors found by the fans. I would say it was worth their efforts. Fans were invested in the series of books and wanted the changes for Deception. Many even said they would have bought the rewrite. It wasn't because it wasn't worth there time, it was because they lied as I pointed out in my first post. They apologized and lied so fans could be appeased and slowly forget.

http://forum.bioware.com/topic/252682-del-ray-and-bioware-comment-on-mass-effect-deception/
 

Here's a link to the apology. People were glad the problems were going to be addressed.

The deception novel is probably seen a lost cause since the error's are just so numerous that it isn't really worth saving and a lot easier to disregard it altogether instead and it would be more costly to rewrite it .

[10K]

The deception novel is probably seen a lost cause since the error's are just so numerous that it isn't really worth saving and a lot easier to disregard it altogether instead and it would be more costly to rewrite it .

Or the simple reason is they lied abut it. They could've told fans the truth, or said nothing at all. But they wouldn't do that because the outrage that was going on at that time was nuts and it would've made it worst. Why make a statement like that, but never do it? BW is like any other business out there, they know what their checkbook can and can't handle before they start or announce any project; they have to know their budget, it's only professional. So why make a statement like that if you don't intend to follow through with it? Because it's PR BS, nothing more then a lie to pacifiy the masses. Which it ultimately did. Everyone slowly forgot, and the rest is history. 

 

If it was too costly then why announce that errors would be corrected, knowing they don't have the budget to do so? They don't just go around announcing projects they know they can't complete, unless they have another agenda behind it; say making fans feel better about the situation. Every company does this. They lie, it's nothing new. 

[Drone223]

Or the simple reason is they lied abut it. They could've told fans the truth, or said nothing at all. But they wouldn't do that because the outrage that was going on at that time was nuts and it would've made it worst. Why make a statement like that, but never do it? BW is like any other business out there, they know what their checkbook can and can't handle before they start or announce any project; they have to know their budget, it's only professional. So why make a statement like that if you don't intend to follow through with it? Because it's PR BS, nothing more then a lie to pacifiy the masses. Which it ultimately did. Everyone slowly forgot, and the rest is history. 

 

If it was too costly then why announce that errors would be corrected, knowing they don't have the budget to do so? They don't just go around announcing projects they know they can't complete, unless they have another agenda behind it; say making fans feel better about the situation. Every company does this. They lie, it's nothing new. 

I doubt deception sold well due to its reputation and the rewrite will definitely suffer form the first version's reputation so they may decided to disregard the novel from the series altogether and make it non-canon.

[10K]

I doubt deception sold well due to its reputation and the rewrite will definitely suffer form the first version's reputation so they may decided to disregard the novel from the series altogether and make it non-canon.

They didn't make it non-canon, they didn't disregard it, they didn't do anything to it. It is still a part of the book series. But all that doesn't matter anyway because the point I was reaching is that they lied. They came out and told people what they intended to do and didn't do it. Like I said they knew their budget, they knew their profit numbers for the book, but they still came out with that announcement to appease the fanbase. Reason with it however you may, but the point is they lied.

[Drone223]

They didn't make it non-canon, they didn't disregard it, they didn't do anything to it. It is still a part of the book series. But all that doesn't matter anyway because the point I was reaching is that they lied. They came out and told people what they intended to do and didn't do it. Like I said they knew their budget, they knew their profit numbers for the book, but they still came out with that announcement to appease the fanbase. Reason with it however you may, but the point is they lied.

Seeing as how they apologized for the massive amount of error's in the book it would suggest that the deception's plot should be disregarded.

[10K]

Seeing as how they apologized for the massive amount of error's in the book it would suggest that the deception's plot should be disregarded.

Disregarded or not they still lied.

[Drone223]

Disregarded or not they still lied.

Scrapping the story altogether can be seen as fix as its no longer part of the lore which is much easier than a rewrite.

[10K]

Scrapping the story altogether can be seen as fix as its no longer part of the lore which is much easier than a rewrite.

They didn't scrap it, they didn't disregard it; the book is still a part of ME lore. You can still buy book anywhere. They said they would fix the errors, they didn't, they lied.

[Drone223]

They didn't scrap it, they didn't disregard it; the book is still a part of ME lore. You can still buy book anywhere. They said they would fix the errors, they didn't, they lied.

I doubt any one from Bioware or fans in general consider it can since the amount of errors is just too much and making a rewrite would be too difficult.

[dreamgazer]

Nobody cares about Deception at this point. Correcting it won't drive any sales, and it's not pertinent to the lore proper anyway.

Every broad expanded universe has its black sheep. Deception is Mass Effect's.
 

But to be fair it wouldn't have butchered the series anymore than ME3 already has.

Inaccurate, since ME3 didn't butcher the series. The movie absolutely would.

[10K]

The point was never about driving sales, or anything else. The point was they lied about fixing the errors, which they did. Semantics aside, they said they were going to correct the errors and they didn't. That constitutes as a lie. When you say you're going to do something and don't do it; that's a lie. 

 

Definition of Lie: An untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker. 

or

Definition of Lie: Something that misleads or deceives.

 

And how would a movie butcher the series, what because it would probably be bad? If that's the only means a ME movie would butcher the series; then ME3 butchered the series, given that it's bad. And sense perceiving something as bad relies on perception or opinion of an individual, I'm not inaccurate when I say ME3 butchered the series because that's my opinion. Because I believe it was bad. 

[dreamgazer]

The point was never about driving sales, or anything else. The point was they lied about fixing the errors, which they did. Semantics aside, they said they were going to correct the errors and they didn't. That constitutes as a lie. When you say you're going to do something and don't do it; that's a lie. 
 
Definition of Lie: An untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker.

or

Definition of Lie: Something that misleads or deceives.

You're a little rigid with what you consider to be a lie.

At the time, it may not have been a lie. They very well could have stated it in earnest, then they looked closer at the situation---an inconsequential book that even the hardcore fanbase wouldn't buy if corrected---and decided against pouring resources into corrections and reprints. I told some people last month that I was planning on visiting my alma-mater, but I decided against it when I reevaluated the situation based on money, time, and work that required my attention. That doesn't mean it was a lie: I had every intention of doing so at the time. Happens all the time in business situations, and that very likely happened here instead of some mustache-twirling deceit.  Priorities are a pain.

They should maybe update the status of the book to "abandoned", but, again, who would that announcement satisfy at this point? Only the hardest of hardcore give even the slightest crap about it, and only because of petty aggravation with BioWare since they allowed the book's release. Every expanded sci-fi universe has its black spots, from Star Wars to Star Trek, and Mass Effect has this one. 

 

And how would a movie butcher the series, what because it would probably be bad? If that's the only means a ME movie would butcher the series; then ME3 butchered the series, given that it's bad. And sense perceiving something as bad relies on perception or opinion of an individual, I'm not inaccurate when I say ME3 butchered the series because that's my opinion. Because I believe it was bad.

No, the movie would canonize choices across the first game and force Shepard into a set appearance, tone, and moral alignment (potentially with an unsatisfying, budget-conscious casting choice as the lead), while trying to work around computer-generated versions of several alien characters on what'll probably be a skeletal budget for a sci-fi blockbuster ($75 million at best), given the lack of success of game-to-movie adaptations. It's a recipe for disaster, the whole thing, far closer to this universe "butchering" you've referenced.

It's my opinion that ME3 didn't "butcher" the series any more than ME2's perceived railroading, rebooting, retconning, side-plot villain, daddy issues, bipolar morality, and stripped-down RPG elements did, at least. Finished a trilogy run the other day and enjoyed the experience just fine, especially when looking again at ME3 against ME2's many failings.  But yes, that will always boil down to subjective appreciation and exacerbation of criticisms.

[10K]

Reason with it however you will. Facts are: they came and apologized, said they were going to do something and didn't do it. As for the movie there's no telling how it would of turned out. I agree that many game-to-movie productions may have been bad, but it would be crazy to just assume that every future game-to-movie production will be bad as well. We just don't know how the movie would have been perceived by fans. Plus I don't see what's the big deal with canonizing when the series has been canonizing player decisions anyway; say Udina becoming councilor or Rachni queen still being alive no matter what our choices was from previous games.   

[Drone223]

You're a little rigid with what you consider to be a lie.

At the time, it may not have been a lie. They very well could have stated it in earnest, then they looked closer at the situation---an inconsequential book that even the hardcore fanbase wouldn't buy if corrected---and decided against pouring resources into corrections and reprints. I told some people last month that I was planning on visiting my alma-mater, but I decided against it when I reevaluated the situation based on money, time, and work that required my attention. That doesn't mean it was a lie: I had every intention of doing so at the time. Happens all the time in business situations, and that very likely happened here instead of some mustache-twirling deceit.  Priorities are a pain.

They should maybe update the status of the book to "abandoned", but, again, who would that announcement satisfy at this point? Only the hardest of hardcore give even the slightest crap about it, and only because of petty aggravation with BioWare since they allowed the book's release. Every expanded sci-fi universe has its black spots, from Star Wars to Star Trek, and Mass Effect has this one. 

 

No, the movie would canonize choices across the first game and force Shepard into a set appearance, tone, and moral alignment (potentially with an unsatisfying, budget-conscious casting choice as the lead), while trying to work around computer-generated versions of several alien characters on what'll probably be a skeletal budget for a sci-fi blockbuster ($75 million at best), given the lack of success of game-to-movie adaptations. It's a recipe for disaster, the whole thing, far closer to this universe "butchering" you've referenced.

It's my opinion that ME3 didn't "butcher" the series any more than ME2's perceived railroading, rebooting, retconning, side-plot villain, daddy issues, bipolar morality, and stripped-down RPG elements did, at least. Finished a trilogy run the other day and enjoyed the experience just fine, especially when looking again at ME3 against ME2's many failings.  But yes, that will always boil down to subjective appreciation and exacerbation of criticisms.

^This a lot of things such as lake of sales and the general reputation of deception would meant that rewrite for it will be to costly but tbh we may never know for sure why the rewrite was abandoned. The out cry from fans (the femshep fans in particular) would be massive regarding the movie's depiction of Shepard there is no way the movie would the the plot any justice.

[N172]

This movie would've been horrbile and butcher the game.... And you never do a movie from a game that has player choices.

Inaccurate, since ME3 didn't butcher the series. The movie absolutely would.

Why? Because it whould not have the decisions you made?
Well, surprise! A ME-movie that does things another way than you did in the games whould change nothing about your playthroughs of the games.

It is the same thing with ME-Let`s Plays, someone playing it different does not invalidate the decisions you made in the games.
If you cannot stand it that there are "other Shepards" than yours, you`re doomed anyway.

[Skylar Astarot]

I see video in Youtube Panel, with answer, amazing Makko and new Heroes!

[Drone223]

Why? Because it whould not have the decisions you made?
Well, surprise! A ME-movie that does things another way than you did in the games whould change nothing about your playthroughs of the games.

It is the same thing with ME-Let`s Plays, someone playing it different does not invalidate the decisions you made in the games.
If you cannot stand it that there are "other Shepards" than yours, you`re doomed anyway.

Not really as the dev's are heavily involved in it and the general audience will think movie Shepard = game Shepard.