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[CaptainZaysh]

Sylvianus wrote...

I agree, M1 is good enough to make an amazing movie. But maybe too big for a first step ? The ambition is cool, and I support that. But why not start step by step with something new, less controversial.

First world contact, it would be a great way to introduce Mass Effect. And it fits perfectly with a mass customer that can love this kind of movies.

A smaller story, more focused, without to be tired of an absolutely exhausting work as to work on three episodes perfectly just to please as much as possible. The way to introduce the universe, to make understand how humans put a foot in the galactic community, etc.

It's good enough too.

A smaller story would not sell so many tickets, which means the sequels would never get made.  This movie would be a failure (which is the outcome that lots of BioWare's so called "fans" actually want).

There is no need to explain to the movie audience how humans put a foot in the galactic community.  They are smart enough to pick it up as they go just as easily as the game audience did, without a 2 hour long lecture on the First Contact War.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Honestly? I don't care about someone 'canonizing' Shepard. The story the movie would then tell would only be one variant of Shepard's story. Probably in-line with a default ME2, non-imported Shepard. Except, of course, he'd have to at least /attempt/ to save the council. The main reason to do this is that it provide a sort of marketing familiarity. People who HAVE played ME get to see Sovereign, Saren, the Council, Wrex, and everything else memorable on the big screen and depicted with more realistic (hopefully) CGI rendering. For people who haven't played the games, they might pick it up, and while playing, they would recognize moments, but be able to create their own story still. A movie about Shepard would not invalidate anyone else's Shepard. It's just depicting one version of Shepard in a different media type.

Regardless, I wouldn't mind if it focused on the First Contact War and had TIM in it.

[CaptainZaysh]

Mesina2 wrote...

Here's a challenge.

Script this as movie.

Sorry, the outline is all you get for free.  I have to work, y'know.

Mesina2 wrote...
What you wrote is impossible to do without making movie feel rushed and half-ass.

Maybe, but that's a two hour outline.  The writers could get a 30-60 minute extension if they desperately needed it.  And frankly the "race against time" would probably feel better if it was a bit rushed.

Mesina2 wrote...
And no Noveria and Feros?
WTF?!
I already find why this movie would suck.

Yes.  Feros was so important to the story it was cut in its entirety from ME: Genesis.

[ChuckNorris18]

I want too see the conversation wheel on the bottom of my screen or else I won't go see it. I also want there to be blank stares done by shepard before he says something.

[CroGamer002]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Maybe, but that's a two hour outline.  The writers could get a 30-60 minute extension if they desperately needed it.  And frankly the "race against time" would probably feel better if it was a bit rushed.

No, you would just be lost in movie and wondering WTF is going on.

Yes.  Feros was so important to the story it was cut in its entirety from ME: Genesis.

Mass Effect Genesis is garbage.
That junk doesn't even mention Geth, not even once!


And yes, Feros is important.
There Shepard get's help from Shiala to understand Prothean.

[Bocks]

Mesina2 wrote...

I still saw what happen in ME1.
If I didn't, I could have easily just see it on Youtube then to spend money on movie.

You think EVERYONE has played Mass Effect? Every single human being on this Earth? There are people who enjoy movies more than videogames. This isn't about what you want. This is about attracting a greater audience.

And you're in minority in that.
A lot of people want to see what
happen in First Co

Actually, most people I talk to agree that Shepard's story would make an awesome movie. If Bioware step into uncharted territory, then you can bet your ass it will be bad, especially with the current writers.

The First Contact War barely has any conflict. It's a paragraph long Codex entry, and a minor thing compared to ALL the other events in the Mass Effect universe.

That will happen, never.
Now you killing of the idea for movie about Mass Effect trilogy even more.

1 - If they do they Shepard trilogy, it WILL happen because Mass Effect 2 would make a horrid film.
2 - I'm not killing the idea for a movie, I'm stating how it would have to be changed for a good film.

I know we will recruit races for army against Reapers and since Bioware is aiming to as ME2, well I'm sure you can't cut out stuff there.

That's not the point. The point is HOW Shepard achieves this aim. Does he gather the help of various civilizations at once, or does he have to talk to every single one independantly? We can't speculate and we can't know, so stop pretending you do.

In other words, completely rewrite Mass Effect 1 as well.

No. You obviously didn't bother to think about what I said. Think about it. The Thorian really isn't that important to the plot of Mass Effect at all aside from giving Shepard the Cipher. The Cipher is ALL that's useful on Feros. You don't hear from the people there ever again, and I doubt they will even make an impact later on. Moving the Cipher to the Prothean Beacon on Virmire makes sense and cuts off a lot of unneeded time to the movie.

And that was just an example.

It's like you want for this movie to suck.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Seriously. Shepard's trilogy is the BEST contender for a series of movies and could be, as crazy as it may sound, the NEXT STAR WARS. I'm HOPING Mass Effect will be successful, and the best way for the movie(s) to succeed is by showing a character that the audience can feel emotion for and can accompany through a journey in a detailed sci-fi universe.

Poorly edited?

Yeah, poorly edited.

Anyway I should even stop here since you want to cut out Noveria and Feros. For Christ sake.

And I should stop here because you're blind and can't seem to be understand the basic concepts of trimming what isn't needed for a gripping narrative.

Modifié par Bocks, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:48 .

[CroGamer002]

Bocks wrote...

You think EVERYONE has played Mass Effect? Every single human being on this Earth? There are people who enjoy movies more than videogames. This isn't about what you want. This is about attracting a greater audience.

Majority of audiance who will watch this movie are the ones who played Mass Effect.

Actually, most people I talk to agree that Shepard's story would make an awesome movie. If Bioware step into uncharted territory, then you can bet your ass it will be bad, especially with the current writers.

That's because only few people came here on this thread.
If I start a poll about this, people will go for First Contact War.

The First Contact War barely has any conflict. It's a paragraph long Codex entry, and a minor thing compared to ALL the other events in the Mass Effect universe.

There are no details about First Contact War.
We only know that it happen on Shanxi do to humans activating Relay 314, Turians occupied Shanxi, 2nd Alliance Fleet kicked their assed, Council intervine, peace.

And comic Evolution was not about First Contact War and we didn't learn much about that war but General Williams was a dick, Illusive Man fought there and so did Saren.

1 - If they do they Shepard trilogy, it WILL happen because Mass Effect 2 would make a horrid film.
2 - I'm not killing the idea for a movie, I'm stating how it would have to be changed for a good film.

You cut out major plot points for that movie.
That's failure.

That's not the point. The point is HOW Shepard achieves this aim. Does he gather the help of various civilizations at once, or does he have to talk to every single one independantly? We can't speculate and we can't know, so stop pretending you do.

wut?

No. You obviously didn't bother to think about what I said. Think about it. The Thorian really isn't that important to the plot of Mass Effect at all aside from giving Shepard the Cipher. The Cipher is ALL that's useful on Feros. You don't hear from the people there ever again, and I doubt they will even make an impact later on. Moving the Cipher to the Prothean Beacon on Virmire makes sense and cuts off a lot of unneeded time to the movie.

And that was just an example.

If you don't see the problem here, then I'll stop discussion with you.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Seriously. Shepard's trilogy is the BEST contender for a series of movies and, as crazy as it may sound, the NEXT STAR WARS. I'm HOPING Mass Effect will be successful, and the best way for the movie(s) to succeed is by showing a character that the audience can feel emotion for and can accompany through a journey in a detailed sci-fi universe.

And that's the job for the game trilogy, not the movie.

If anything, that movie is big advertisment for this trilogy.
Many people don't know about Mass Effect and after seeing First Contact War movie, they would probably want too see more of that universe.

And I should stop here because you're blind and can't seem to be understand the basic concepts of trimming what isn't needed for a gripping narrative.

Same here, since you don't get Mass Effect 1 plot and want to ruin it for half-ass movie that doesn't need to exist.

[The dead fish]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I agree, M1 is good enough to make an amazing movie. But maybe too big for a first step ? The ambition is cool, and I support that. But why not start step by step with something new, less controversial.

First world contact, it would be a great way to introduce Mass Effect. And it fits perfectly with a mass customer that can love this kind of movies.

A smaller story, more focused, without to be tired of an absolutely exhausting work as to work on three episodes perfectly just to please as much as possible. The way to introduce the universe, to make understand how humans put a foot in the galactic community, etc.

It's good enough too.

A smaller story would not sell so many tickets, which means the sequels would never get made.  This movie would be a failure (which is the outcome that lots of BioWare's so called "fans" actually want).

There is no need to explain to the movie audience how humans put a foot in the galactic community.  They are smart enough to pick it up as they go just as easily as the game audience did, without a 2 hour long lecture on the First Contact War.

I'm thinking, I do not see why it would be a failure. There is no need to have several episodes to be a commercial success. And smaller and focused story, do not mean small story.

 three episodes ? wait and see first to see if the first espisode is successful. And then we must think about Mass Effect as a whole with three episodes. Much more difficult. Much higher risk of failure in my opinion. It may require more money for the production than it would receive money.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:05 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Everyone here has a few fair points on their view on where and how this film should present itself in the Mass Effect universe, so one more shouldn't hurt .

Personally, a Mass Effect film depicting Commander Shepard's hunt for Saren and the Eden Prime War wouldn't work just on the sheer scale of the story.  Forget the side missions, which would then present the problem of no set up for Cerberus in a second film, and you would still have a vast main storyline to butcher to even get near 3 hours worth of film.  That would mean Noveria, Feros, and Therum would have to either have major sections cut out (No Rachni or Thorian, which would mean no missing relay or cipher), but maybe cut entirely (Therum for sure as it really only has 5 minutes worth of film material anyways; Liara could easily be incorporated elsewhere).  Plus, complex topics such as the genophage that take multiple dialogues and codex entries in the first game to understand would not have a real place in a film.  Audiences will not want to sit through 3 to 5 minutes of explanations of every complex topic in the game, whether it be the genophage, First Contact War, Rachni Wars, etc.  Yes, some could be supported by a "flashback" sequence on the events, but it still takes up too much time.

And once you get passed the plot layout of the film, you have to take into account the time dialogue, establishing shots, credits, and other film necessities will take up.  Trying to jam pack all of this in 3 hours tops with Shepard's story would end up too fast and nonsensical.

That leaves three options.  There could be still a Shepard film, but it would be greatly changed to where the only fully intact parts would be Eden Prime, the investigation on the Citadel (with a lot of changes to flow better), and the Battle of the Citadel.  The Therum, Noveria, and Feros plot points would likely be combined on either another planet or one of them.

Option 2 is follow Anderson's story in Revelations, which is a decent enough size to be transferred to the film medium.  Problem with that is still establishing plot background such as the First Contact War and the Batarian/Human political relationship.  Plus it would lead to Mass Effect's events directly, which would bring the already discussed issues into play again for the next film.

Option 3, and perhaps the best, is to establish the universe with humanity's discovery of the Martian south pole observation post and the Charon Relay, leading into the First Contact War as the buildup and climax, and end with the introduction of humanity into the galactic community.  It would probably follow Grissom and Williams, with Grissom making the fated travel through the Charon Relay and leading the efforts to retake Shanxi, while Williams will provide the view of Shanxi as it's invaded, bombarded by its own stations, small asteroids, and dreadnought fire.  No Illusive Man though.  He works well as a mysterious antagonist, and it should stay that way.  A film doesn't need a million deaths to be successful.  Have civilians be terrorized and some strategic battles to keep the audience interested with some good character moments between.

Still with me? Bottom line, film and video games are completely different species.  Sacrifices will be made for a Mass Effect 1 transfer, many that no fan will take joy in.  But this is also for a new audience as well.  It has to be presented in a way they can grasp within a minute so that the plot can move along, or they are just going to fall asleep or walk out.  And those who fear in the canonization of the universe?  Don't watch the film.  Ignore it.  Everyone has a different Shepard, and a different story.  This is just another and if the audience sees a do-right commander instead of a whatever-it-takes commander, that's their Shepard, and you will still have yours.  

[Bocks]

Mesina2 wrote...

Majority of audiance who will watch this movie are the ones who played Mass Effect.

If the film is marketed as a proper film and not just another silly film, then no.

That's because only few people came here on this thread.
If I start a poll about this, people will go for First Contact War.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

There are no details about First Contact War.
We only know that it happen on Shanxi do to humans activating Relay 314, Turians occupied Shanxi, 2nd Alliance Fleet kicked their assed, Council intervine, peace.

And comic Evolution was not about First Contact War and we didn't learn much about that war but General Williams was a dick, Illusive Man fought there and so did Saren.

There's nothing else because that's ALL THERE IS ON THE FIRST CONTACT WAR

God, what's so hard to understand about this? There's simply not enough that happens in the First Contact War that warrants a movie.

You cut out major plot points for that movie.
That's failure.

I cut out things which shouldn't even have been in Mass Effect 2 in the first place. And it's only a failure if it fails.

wut?

Let me put it in terms you might understand:

Does Shepard have to complete one mission for the help of many races, or a mission for every single race?

If you don't see the problem here, then I'll stop discussion with you.

I don't see the problem with this and you have no counter-argument. Looks like I won here.

And that's the job for the game trilogy, not the movie.

If anything, that movie is big advertisment for this trilogy.

And what better way to advertise it than make the next big sci-fi film trilogy after Star Wars?

Many people don't know about Mass Effect and after seeing First Contact War movie, they would probably want too see more of that universe.

Except that they wouldn't because much of the movie would probably just be stupid filler while waiting for the next plot point to happen due to the fact that there's practically NOTHING interesting about the First Contact War at all.

Same here, since you don't get Mass Effect 1 plot and want to ruin it for half-ass movie that doesn't need to exist.

And you want Bioware to make a cheap, ****ty half-assed war movie with BIG TOUGH SPESS MUHREENS screaming at the camera about EVIL ALIENS for an hour and a half.

OH WAIT, ALIENS WAS ALREADY MADE.

Modifié par Bocks, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:15 .

[The dead fish]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Option 3, and perhaps the best, is to establish the universe with humanity's discovery of the Martian south pole observation post and the Charon Relay, leading into the First Contact War as the buildup and climax, and end with the introduction of humanity into the galactic community.  It would probably follow Grissom and Williams, with Grissom making the fated travel through the Charon Relay and leading the efforts to retake Shanxi, while Williams will provide the view of Shanxi as it's invaded, bombarded by its own stations, small asteroids, and dreadnought fire.  No Illusive Man though.  He works well as a mysterious antagonist, and it should stay that way.  A film doesn't need a million deaths to be successful.  Have civilians be terrorized and some strategic battles to keep the audience interested with some good character moments between.

Still with me? Bottom line, film and video games are completely different species.  Sacrifices will be made for a Mass Effect 1 transfer, many that no fan will take joy in.  But this is also for a new audience as well.  It has to be presented in a way they can grasp within a minute so that the plot can move along, or they are just going to fall asleep or walk out.  And those who fear in the canonization of the universe?  Don't watch the film.  Ignore it.  Everyone has a different Shepard, and a different story.  This is just another and if the audience sees a do-right commander instead of a whatever-it-takes commander, that's their Shepard, and you will still have yours.  

Personally I think the the best solution is the option 3, and there are a lot of potential, with no possibility of controversy.

Also, time is precious for a film. And I really doubt that for M1, it is really possible to have something profound without exceeding a reasonable time.

M2 seems more appropriate.  I do not even speak about M3. Very difficult to make a galactic war I think. At least if Holiwood don't help Bioware !   And to allow genocide, sacrifice, etc. etc. I do not think it'll be on TV.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:27 .

[CroGamer002]

Bocks wrote...

If the film is marketed as a proper film and not just another silly film, then no.

What's that spouse to mean?

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Made a poll.
Let's see the show.

There's nothing else because that's ALL THERE IS ON THE FIRST CONTACT WAR

God, what's so hard to understand about this? There's simply not enough that happens in the First Contact War that warrants a movie.

Invasion of Normandy movies.
There's ton of them and it happen less.

Almost every single one is success.
Market it as war movie and it will also give interest among lovers of war movies. And there's a lot of those people.

I cut out things which shouldn't even have been in Mass Effect 2 in the first place. And it's only a failure if it fails.

I'm talking about Mass Effect 1 plot points.
Noveria and Feros.

Let me put it in terms you might understand:

Does Shepard have to complete one mission for the help of many races, or a mission for every single race?

Have you seen Demos?

I don't see the problem with this and you have no counter-argument. Looks like I won here.

You don't win in debates.

And what better way to advertise it than make the next big sci-fi film trilogy after Star Wars?

Then play Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 for that.

This movie would say "This is great universe that is well written, play the games for more".

$$$

Except that they wouldn't because much of the movie would probably just be stupid filler while waiting for the next plot point to happen due to the fact that there's practically NOTHING interesting about the First Contact War at all.

That's because we know little of First Contact War.
Actually it is still intresting since humanity made first contact with war, they started to shoot, not taking place on Earth( New York), aliens look badass and aren't usual evil bastards.

And you want Bioware to make a cheap, ****ty half-assed war movie with BIG TOUGH SPESS MUHREENS screaming at the camera about EVIL ALIENS for an hour and a half.

OH WAIT, ALIENS WAS ALREADY MADE.

You're the one that wants to cut of big plot points of Mass Effect 1 in movie!

And it would be NOTHING like Aliens.
Have you read Codex entry?!
Check Mass Effect Wiki at least!


Did you even played ME1 and 2?!
You didn't even register ME2.

[Dia2blo]

I love how everyone assumes/ expects the movie to be explicitly based on one of the games/ books and nothing else. Apparently no originality is allowed. In fact, what are the odds that the film creators won't just make something entirely new? Also how many people would have a problem with this?

[CroGamer002]

Dia2blo wrote...

I love how everyone assumes/ expects the movie to be explicitly based on one of the games/ books and nothing else. Apparently no originality is allowed. In fact, what are the odds that the film creators won't just make something entirely new? Also how many people would have a problem with this?

That's why it should be about First Contact War.

Movie writer has only few limitations.

[Bocks]

[quote]Mesina2 wrote...

What's that spouse to mean?[/quote]

It means, is this just another one of THOSE movies that come out every time but everyone mostly ignores, or is it more marketed and Avataresque?

[quote]
Made a poll.
Let's see the show.
[/quote]

Lets.

[quote]Invasion of Normandy movies.
There's ton of them and it happen less.

Almost every single one is success.
Market it as war movie and it will also give interest among lovers of war movies. And there's a lot of those people.[/quote]

Just a tiny difference between war movies and the First Contact War.

They're based on
REAL 
LIFE
WARS.

REAL LIFE accounts and descriptions and stories. That's much more powerful.

[quote]I'm talking about Mass Effect 1 plot points.
Noveria and Feros.[/quote]

Well I already talked about that. And I never said I wanted to cut out Noveria.

[quote]Have you seen Demos?[/quote]

Have you? They don't talk about what the outcome of this mission will bring, except for the one on the Salarian homeworld, arguably. Even then we don't get the full picture.

[quote]You don't win in debates.[/quote]

You kinda do, and this was an argument.

[quote]Then play Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 for that.

This movie would say "This is great universe that is well written, play the games for more".

$$$[/quote]

Except that if the movie doesn't show the great detail and well written nature of the games, they aren't advertising their product very well, now are they?

[quote]That's because we know little of First Contact War.[/quote]

Correction: We know all the major points of the First Contact War. All we NEED to know. It's seriously not interesting.

[quote]Actually it is still intresting since humanity made first contact with war, they started to shoot, not taking place on Earth( New York), aliens look badass and aren't usual evil bastards.[/quote]

Let's make a movie about shooting because shooting aliens is awesome.

[quote]You're the one that wants to cut of big plot points of Mass Effect 1 in movie![/quote]

How is Feros important aside from giving Shepard the Cipher? It's not. There's absolutely NO REASON for it to make it into a movie. Maybe if they wanted to include more useless action that would waste screen time, sure. But just putting the Cipher on the Prothean artifact on Virmire would change the following:

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

[quote]And it would be NOTHING like Aliens.
Have you read Codex entry?!
Check Mass Effect Wiki at least!

Did you even played ME1 and 2?!
You didn't even register ME2.
[/quote]

I didn't register ME2 for my own reasons. I have read the Codex and, frankly, I think I know more about the Mass Effect universe than you do.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Ok I have to say this.

I have to agree with a few others and their view about people who complain about a Shepard Mass Effect movie. As others and myself have said before, the only reason most don't want to see a Shepard story is because they don't want to see a canon Shepard which makes their Shepard seem meaningless. To all those who respond with "well we already know Shepard's story!"....well what about the rest of the world who aren't gamers?! They don't know the story. Regardless as to whether it is a Shepard story, FCW story, Krogan rebellion, or a completely different take on ME story with new characters, as long as it is done well and ends up being good I will see it. There is a lot of selfishness going on here at the forums. Most aren't just saying they want to see a great movie. They are just saying that they want to see a movie without Shepard. Fact: Shepard isn't real. Fact: it's just a game. Fact: This is just a movie based off of a game. Fact: Making a movie based off of characters from a game in no way diminishes the story you have created for yourself in your own game. If you think it does that is your own hangup.

Now, The First Contact War. It would be nice to open with this. Maybe an 10 or 20 min intro into the movie to show how humanity became a part of the rest of the galaxy, but I don't think it can hold it's own as a full length *Big Screen* movie. Correction.....I think it can hold it's own but I don't think it will make the same impact and the same $$$ as a story with a vast variety of story options, worlds, aliens and so on. ME could be the next Star Wars if not better if done right. Another way I could see the FCW is in a movie short (Kind of like Animatrix or Ice Age movies). Pretty much a 10-30 min film they show before the movie to sum up Earth's story. I could also see FCW as that anime movie they have mentioned. All of these other options fit the FCW perfectly. A full length Hollywood "big screen" movie however would not.  For one there is not enough story there (though I'm sure more could be added). The big reason though is that it doesn't do anything to differentiate itself from every other Earth vs Alien movie that has been released thus far. Battle LA, District 9, Independence Day, War of the Worlds......I'll just stop here for now.  FCW would just end up being another one of those in most people's eyes. Especially those who don't know the story and praise the game like people here.

Lastly, to all those saying that this is not slated to be a trilogy that is why Shepard's story should not be used......really? How many movies ever are thought to be trilogies at first? Not very many. This is Hollywood and the Videogame Industry we are talking about. Two major industries in which most of their profit comes from sequels, remakes, -ilogies and so on. So while ME isn't slated to be a multi movie deal, I am more than sure that if it does even remotely well it will have more movies in the pipeline. If Blood Rayne, Tomb Raider and Resident Evil can get sequels I am positive ME will be fine. Cash Cow. Plain and simple. As long as it makes money there will be more of it. This is why Shepard Arc makes more sense than the FCW. More options, story, characters, worlds, variety.

Lastly x2, If they do end up doing the FCW, where will they go from there?! FCW2?! LOL. Any characters and storylines (save a few) will be put on the back burner or gone completely if they are to skirt around the ME universe to avoid Shepard and his crew. Yeah it would be nice to see the Krogan Rebellion and the Rachni Wars and so on, but as stand alone movies from all over the universe it will not work in this day and age. Not unless they were made as direct to dvd movies like Tekken Blood Vengeance, RE Degeneration & Damnation, Advent Children, etc. They only work like that because we know the story so we as gamers will buy them.

In any case I don't care what it is about as long as it is good. But the only real, smart option would be to do the Shepard story, add new things to make it fresh for us(gamers) while the other stuff will already be new and fresh to the non gaming crowd. This is the best way to maximize profits and to widen your audience base. It's simple marketing people.

[Dia2blo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Dia2blo wrote...

I love how everyone assumes/ expects the movie to be explicitly based on one of the games/ books and nothing else. Apparently no originality is allowed. In fact, what are the odds that the film creators won't just make something entirely new? Also how many people would have a problem with this?

That's why it should be about First Contact War.

Movie writer has only few limitations.

However that's just the time period. As far as I see it, the film could be set anywhere/ when within the universe. Honestly, the fact the series encompasses an entire "universe" allows the possibility for any kind of story to take place. It doesn't have to include Shepard, Reapers, or even the first first contact war. Any writer has the freedom to come up with something which is equally as epic/ significant within the series, but also fresh and unrelated to the stories that have already/ are in the process of being told.

I want something fresh like this.

[CroGamer002]

Bocks wrote...

It means, is this just another one of THOSE movies that come out every time but everyone mostly ignores, or is it more marketed and Avataresque?

/facepalm

Lets.

It can go both ways.

Just a tiny difference between war movies and the First Contact War.

They're based on
REAL 
LIFE
WARS.

REAL LIFE accounts and descriptions and stories. That's much more powerful.

I can care less about 100 years war, but "The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc" is great movie.

Also, ever heard of "Last Samurai"?

I'm talking about Mass Effect 1 plot points.
Noveria and Feros.

Well I already talked about that. And I never said I wanted to cut out Noveria.

Have you? They don't talk about what the outcome of this mission will bring, except for the one on the Salarian homeworld, arguably. Even then we don't get the full picture.

Quarians and Geth conflict?

Many missions on Tuchanka?

Except that if the movie doesn't show the great detail and well written nature of the games, they aren't advertising their product very well, now are they?

Star Wars trilogy didn't describe much about it's universe outside of force.
But games did.

Correction: We know all the major points of the First Contact War. All we NEED to know. It's seriously not interesting.

I would like you to read paragraphs of any WW2 battle.
If you think that's not intresting after then watch movie like "Saving Pirvate Ryan" or "Enemy at the gates".

We learn something about those battles and we still have great story and characters.

Let's make a movie about shooting because shooting aliens is awesome.

Like Mass Effect 1!

You know, we shoot bad aliens there too.

How is Feros important aside from giving Shepard the Cipher? It's not. There's absolutely NO REASON for it to make it into a movie. Maybe if they wanted to include more useless action that would waste screen time, sure. But just putting the Cipher on the Prothean artifact on Virmire would change the following:

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

You do know fans raged about Mass Effect Genesis for ignoring Feros.
Well that's one of many things.


Also Cipher was important.
And with Saren sending Geth to kill the Thorian to make sure Shepard doesn't follow him, it become subtle plot device.

I didn't register ME2 for my own reasons. I have read the Codex and, frankly, I think I know more about the Mass Effect universe than you do.

You mean you pirated the game or just BS-ing?

And claiming that you know more about Mass Effect universe and saying Feros is not important is just absurd.

Also could you explain me why Noveria should be cut out?

[CroGamer002]

Dia2blo wrote...

However that's just the time period. As far as I see it, the film could be set anywhere/ when within the universe. Honestly, the fact the series encompasses an entire "universe" allows the possibility for any kind of story to take place. It doesn't have to include Shepard, Reapers, or even the first first contact war. Any writer has the freedom to come up with something which is equally as epic/ significant within the series, but also fresh and unrelated to the stories that have already/ are in the process of being told.

I want something fresh like this.

True, but First Contact War makes most sense to start with.

[CroGamer002]

Edit: Post removed. No name calling here. 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[darknoon5]

Some news, awesome. Been waiting a long time for more info on the film, should be good.

[Bocks]

[quote]Mesina2 wrote...

/facepalm[/quote]

/supernovaheaddesk

[quote]I can care less about 100 years war, but "The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc" is great movie.

Also, ever heard of "Last Samurai"?[/quote]

Yeah, those stories had protagonists. Who is the protagonist during the First Contact War? Nobody cares about the 100 years war because it was barely fought at all.

[quote]I'm talking about Mass Effect 1 plot points.
Noveria and Feros.[/quote]

[quote]Quarians and Geth conflict?[/quote]

That's one conflict that will ensure the loyalty of either two races, one, or, possibly, neither.

[quote]Many missions on Tuchanka?[/quote]

Yeah, but are these truly important missions or easily ignorable missions like the N7 Missions of ME2? We're not porting the ENTIRE game into a movie.

[quote]Star Wars trilogy didn't describe much about it's universe outside of force.
But games did.[/quote]

The Star Wars movies weren't captivating because of the universe, but because it was Luke's journey and finding his place in the universe. The universe developed and became deeper as Luke explored more of it through his journeys.

[quote]
I would like you to read paragraphs of any WW2 battle.
If you think that's not intresting after then watch movie like "Saving Pirvate Ryan" or "Enemy at the gates".

We learn something about those battles and we still have great story and characters.[/quote]

Because they're inspired by real world events, real world people and real world descriptions of battles.

[quote]Like Mass Effect 1!

You know, we shoot bad aliens there too.[/quote]

Except there's a deeper importance to doing it. There's not just humanity's existance at stake, but that of every species. The First Contact War is basically "aliens come, humanity defends itself". It's really not much deeper aside from that.

[quote]You do know fans raged about Mass Effect Genesis for ignoring Feros.
Well that's one of many things.[/quote]

Wrong. They raged about the Cipher not making an appearance.

[quote]Also Cipher was important.[/quote]

When did I say it wasn't?! Christ you're a really frustrating person to argue with.

[quote]And with Saren sending Geth to kill the Thorian to make sure Shepard doesn't follow him, it become subtle plot device.[/quote]

Except that it can be ignored completely! Theres no NEED to have it there at all.

[quote]You mean you pirated the game or just BS-ing?[/quote]

I already told you I have my own reasons. Stop trying to understand them.

[quote]And claiming that you know more about Mass Effect universe and saying Feros is not important is just absurd.

Also could you explain me why Noveria should be cut out?

[/quote]

You're ignoring everything I'm saying, so I'm gonna do the same.

EDIT: As per the alterations made by the admins in your previous statement, I will remove this part of my post.

Modifié par Bocks, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:54 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Dia2blo wrote...

I love how everyone assumes/ expects the movie to be explicitly based on one of the games/ books and nothing else. Apparently no originality is allowed. In fact, what are the odds that the film creators won't just make something entirely new? Also how many people would have a problem with this?

That wouldn't be a bad thing at all, and probably the best option.  There would be no contradictions with established material at the very least.  I do believe it should be grounded with a substantial event and be in humanity's viewpoint.  So no Prothean extinction, Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellions, etc.  That would leave the Mars discovery and First Contact War (Evolutions does not count and can burn in the deepest pits of Reaper hell), the Skyllian Blitz, and the Eden Prime War.  The Eden Prime War is too tied in with Shepard to create a separate tale.  The Skyllian Blitz could introduce Shepard (Yes, I'm talking War Hero Shepard), but may be too shallow in concept to carry a film on its own.

The events containing humanities entry into the galactic community would be best with its balance of story, character, and action.  Will it be more JJ Abrams Star Trek than Revenge of the Sith?  Yes, but that's a good thing. Everyone has to remember this is not just for ME fans.  Audiences need context and time to relate to characters and attach to the story.  If they get left behind, this film will fail.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dia2blo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Dia2blo wrote...

I love how everyone assumes/ expects the movie to be explicitly based on one of the games/ books and nothing else. Apparently no originality is allowed. In fact, what are the odds that the film creators won't just make something entirely new? Also how many people would have a problem with this?

That's why it should be about First Contact War.

Movie writer has only few limitations.

However that's just the time period. As far as I see it, the film could be set anywhere/ when within the universe. Honestly, the fact the series encompasses an entire "universe" allows the possibility for any kind of story to take place. It doesn't have to include Shepard, Reapers, or even the first first contact war. Any writer has the freedom to come up with something which is equally as epic/ significant within the series, but also fresh and unrelated to the stories that have already/ are in the process of being told.

I want something fresh like this.

Missed this second post.  As long as it makes sense within the universe and its a good film, I will love it.  It just probably scares people that the film may turn out to either be like the Mass Effect: Ascension, where certain choices in the game are set as "canon", or like Mass Effect: Evolution where the universe is treated in an ill fashion.  Hopefully we get enough hints from Casey and co. to ease minds.

[ajgoesunlucky]

*!!Happy Face!!*

must more be said?