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[Jaron Oberyn]

I'm pretty sure that they're going to base it on Shepard. It's like Halo, MC is the representation of the halo experience, just like canon Shepard is representative of the Mass Effect experience. The only thing is whether or not it will be a good movie based on the fact that there is an already established look for Shepard, Vanderloo. If they'd have done what Ubisoft did with AC:2, and had all of the voice actors likeness added into the game, it would have been easier for fans to adjust. Assassins Creed Lineage is just a glimpse of what Ubi could do with a full fledged AC movie. Take notes Bioware.

-Polite

[Cephalopods]

FCW is a horrible plot for the movie. That is all.

[ArkkAngel007]

Cephalopods wrote...

FCW is a horrible plot for the movie. That is all.

It would be nice if you gave a reason.  I'm not disagreeing, just interested in the thought behind it.

[darknoon5]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

FCW is a horrible plot for the movie. That is all.

It would be nice if you gave a reason.  I'm not disagreeing, just interested in the thought behind it.

Well, it wasn't a war really. Less then 1000 lives were lost on both sides (both lost about 700 each) and the only real conflict was the invasion of Shanxi then reclaimation of Shanxi.

It might make a decent film, but I can see why some may have reservations.

[Cathey]

Having it be about Shepard is silly since there's no canon. If the movie does star Shepard, they will obviously use male Shep and then they're basically saying that the only right way to play the game is as him.

The first contact war is a much better choice. It's something we haven't experienced in the game, and it won't spark a MShep v FShep war.

This is a great chance to explore more of the ME universe. Why waste that chance and show us things we're already playing in a game?

[ArkkAngel007]

darknoon5 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cephalopods wrote...

FCW is a horrible plot for the movie. That is all.

It would be nice if you gave a reason.  I'm not disagreeing, just interested in the thought behind it.

Well, it wasn't a war really. Less then 1000 lives were lost on both sides (both lost about 700 each) and the only real conflict was the invasion of Shanxi then reclaimation of Shanxi.

It might make a decent film, but I can see why some may have reservations.

I honestly don't see why a lot of people think the film has to have massive carnage to be successful.  It's not like we see huge amounts of death in films like Star Trek and Star Wars.  Everything gets focused in film, so why not have two focused events with some down moments between (Invasion of Shanxi > occupation of Shanxi with failed recon attempts and Gen. Williams surrender > Retaking of Shanxi).

Granted, I do not want it just about FCW.  That would be too short and only really involve Williams, who is too controversial to ride an entire film with.  But with it included as the rising action and climax of the film, it has a chance to shine.  Like I've said, we know about this universe but most of the audience won't.  It has to start them somewhere where it makes sense to them.

[darknoon5]

Cathey wrote...

Having it be about Shepard is silly since there's no canon. If the movie does star Shepard, they will obviously use male Shep and then they're basically saying that the only right way to play the game is as him.

The first contact war is a much better choice. It's something we haven't experienced in the game, and it won't spark a MShep v FShep war.

This is a great chance to explore more of the ME universe. Why waste that chance and show us things we're already playing in a game?

Hypothetically if it is about Shepard, they will not have it starring a male actor because it is the "right way to play the game," it's because it will appeal to more people. Look at the trailers, all use Sheploo.

I think people get too caught up in "canon." Just say the film is one possible outcome, or an adaption or something. Besides, canon does nothing for me. I loved playing a darkside exile, or a female revan, even though neither of those were canon. Was I not playing those games right?

I'm still unsure on this. ME1 would make a better film, but lots would have to be compacted, cut and merged into other sequences for it to work. Compacting a 30 odd hour game into a 2-3 (at a stretch) hour film is not easy. FCW film would be less exciting and interesting, and would also be a cliche human alien first contact, and would no doubt negatively potray the Turians as evil villains, but it would also be simpler and less ambitous.

Modifié par darknoon5, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[Stryke1]

Cathey wrote...

Having it be about Shepard is silly since there's no canon. If the movie does star Shepard, they will obviously use male Shep and then they're basically saying that the only right way to play the game is as him.

Is it?   Or is it because the director/scriptwriters decide they like that version.  As someone else stated before everyone has their own version and no one's is above anyone elses but lets say hypothetically Casey Hudson plays through as a certain version of shep male/female, do you think he's gonna throw his toys out of his pram because the studio execs took a different shep?
No because like any rational fan of the genre and lover of good stories (i'm going to be a little presumptious and guess here) he would only care that the main story (which we are all sheparded through - see what I did there? - yes it was terrible I know) is handled with respect and we dont end up with some corny hollywood bastardisation of a great franchise.
Personally I see both sides to this but in honesty I dont care as long as the core game is upheld and the threat of the reapers isnt disregarded as easily as mr council finger quotes *ahh reapers*

The first contact war is a much better choice. It's something we haven't experienced in the game, and it won't spark a MShep v FShep war

Again your preference doesnt speak for everyone, just as much as mine doesnt, im not here to say we should have an FCW plot or M.E trilogy plot, what irks me is the *i'm right youre wrong* attitude, shouldnt we just be hoping the film gets a good script and director and not Paul Anderson, Uwe Bol or Bayformers?.

This is a great chance to explore more of the ME universe. Why waste that chance and show us things we're already playing in a game?

Again its under the impression that the film is being made with the express direction at aiming for us vocal fans, what about those not in the knowledge, hell i've only managed to convert a bunch
 of my mates to starting the trilogy years after the fact.  Again this shouldnt be about *my Shep will be ruined* or *we've played the game screw everyone else* - it should be about transitioning a great game series and making sure the translation from game to film isnt lost under a pile of hollywood studio clout, because personally i'd pay to watch low budget version of ME with some real heart behind the project than a massive budget with about as much soul as Donald Trumps hairpiece.

I like to see a good discussion and a lot of guys here have great arguments for both sides as to the pro's and cons of an FCW starter, hell if done well it could then lead into the M.E we know and love but its when the fact of canonising shep coming into discussion that I get irked. 

Each of us love the game for our own experiences but just as much as thats the main part of the game we love, the outer story which drives it and the characters that flesh it out is what really shines.
Lets be honest if the director can capture just a modicum of that and translate it to the big screen I couldnt give a rats ass whether the shep on screen is ginger and punches news reporters in the face on a regular basis or whether she/he shoots wieners like Verner just for being an annoyance, get the atmosphere right, inject it with a dose of humour and heart and give it someone who wants to see it thrive and we will have a winner, and isnt that all that matters?

Modifié par Stryke1, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:50 .

[Spinotech]

 I see the following as potential problematic areas if the movie is based on FCW:

1 - Will the Turians communicate in their native language or in English?
      a - If in English, how did we get a translator?  How easily can the translator be adapted to new races?
      b - If in the native language, the problem of Turian being depicted as in a cruel, animal-like way could arise.
      c - As a corollary, how did the Citadel council negotiate peace between the humans and the turians?
2 - Will the Evolution comic be related to the movie storyline or discarded? 
3 - The distribution of running time between the actual war itself and establishing the universe for audiences unfamiliar with the series.
4 - Continuity errors, even though it will likely be minimized due to Casey Hudson being executive producer.
5 - The risk of it ending up as a stereotypical and cliche humans meet aliens first contact scenario.
6 - Biotics will be more difficult to explain if for instance a Turian cabal force is involved in the battle.
7 - Will the Reapers be involved in any way in the storyline?  See #2.
8 - How much was humanity (in terms of military, technology, culture, politics etc.) changed due to the war and subsequent integration into the galactic community?

BTW, I would rather see a FCW movie than one based on the storyline of the games.

[ArkkAngel007]

Spinotech wrote...

 I see the following as potential problematic areas if the movie is based on FCW:

1 - Will the Turians communicate in their native language or in English?
      a - If in English, how did we get a translator?  How easily can the translator be adapted to new races?
      b - If in the native language, the problem of Turian being depicted as in a cruel, animal-like way could arise.
      c - As a corollary, how did the Citadel council negotiate peace between the humans and the turians?
2 - Will the Evolution comic be related to the movie storyline or discarded? 
3 - The distribution of running time between the actual war itself and establishing the universe for audiences unfamiliar with the series.
4 - Continuity errors, even though it will likely be minimized due to Casey Hudson being executive producer.
5 - The risk of it ending up as a stereotypical and cliche humans meet aliens first contact scenario.
6 - Biotics will be more difficult to explain if for instance a Turian cabal force is involved in the battle.
7 - Will the Reapers be involved in any way in the storyline?  See #2.
8 - How much was humanity (in terms of military, technology, culture, politics etc.) changed due to the war and subsequent integration into the galactic community?

BTW, I would rather see a FCW movie than one based on the storyline of the games.

1- That does present a problem.  More than likely it will be explained when Williams contacts and surrenders to the Turians.  How exactly will be left to the writers.  For part c- Council contacts Turians, who contact humanity (Grissom maybe) and are given the choice.  Turians apologize more than likely with note of them being punished with reparations.
2- No Evolution comic.  Illusive man must be Illusive, plus it draws in too much lore for the film to explain.
3- Start film with Mars discovery, lead to Grissoms voyage, then FCW, and finally the opening up of the galaxy.
4- There is enough lore present that continuity (though I don't really want another film) would not be an issue for the writers.
5-Humans will lose Shanxi, and the Turians will spell out to Williams what happened.  Don't remember when other aliens saved humanity from misunderstood aliens in film.  This won't be the mindless invasion/resource gathering seen in Independence Day/Battle L.A.
6- I don't think there should be biotics, as no one knew about biotics until later.  If they are present, it could be confusing with obvious similarities to The Force.
7-Again, no Evolution.  So no Reapers.  The more focused the story is on humanity, the better the film.
8-There should be more focus on the changes from Mars and Charon Relay rather than post-war.  That could be left to a later film.  I think being added to the galactic community is an obvious game-changer, even for the dullest people in the audience.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Another thing I will mention in response to all the people talking about how it will be bad to crunch a 25+ hour game into a 2 1/2 hour movie is this. Think about it. Yeah each Mass Effect game may be a 25+ hour game but most of that is side missions, driving the Mako, searching for stuff and fighting countless enemies. Remove most of that and you have an easy shot at sticking the story into a 2 1/2 - 3hr movie. It's not that hard. Especially since I don't think they would have Shepard killing hundreds, if not thousands of enemies in 1 movie. There has to be some semblance of realism in the movie.

[Spinotech]

 ArkkAngel007, those were well thought responses and I agree with you in every regard.  

My idea for FCW is:

• Open up with a scene showing the discovery of the Prothean Ruins.  I think it should have grandeur on a khazad-dum like scale.
• As the camera zooms out from Mars and travels through our solar system towards the Charon Relay, a monologue should be given by a main character talking about what changes followed the discovery of the Prothean ruins and how it led to the discovery of the Charon Relay.
• As the camera moves towards and through the Relay, the monologue should continue with a discussion about Jon Grissom's mission to travel through the relay, the construction of Arcturus Station, and the establishment of Shanxi.
• Monologue stops and is followed by a scene during the graduation of the new N7's.  One of the people there will be a recently retired Commander, who is approached by a high-ranking Alliance official who wants the Commander to lead a squad.
• Option A: Squad composed of trained, but "problematic" soldiers.  Option B: Squad comprised of rookie N7 graduates like David Anderson.  I prefer Option A because the squad could have deeper characterization due to having "problems" and because if any sequels were made (Skyllian Verge conflict with Batarians), you would have an established squad.
• After a long discussion with the Alliance official at a bar on Arcturus, the commander turns down the offer to lead a squad.
• In a conference room at Shanxi, the Shanxi colony board is discussing the scheduled opening of a new relay.  Here the administrator of the Shanxi colony argues with General Williams, who wants to wait for an alliance cruiser to arrive in case there are any hostile races at the other end of the relay.  The majority of the board votes in favor of pushing forward the scheduled opening of the relay.  I think the board should be like the one that questions Ripley in Aliens.
• Three ships are sent to Relay 314 and begin to try to activate the relay.  The ship closest to the relay is suddenly destroyed by the Turians.  Maybe a scene almost like the meteor shower that destroys the shuttle Atlantis in Armageddon.  The other two ships begin to flee.  One is destroyed, while the other is seriously damaged and escapes.
• Upon contact being lost with the two destroyed ships, General Williams advises the colony board that the Alliance should be alerted.  This advice is ignored by the colonial administrator who wants to avoid a panic. Maybe similar to the debate of putting the town on alert in the movie Dante's Peak.
• After the damaged ship arrives at Shanxi and its crew explains what happened, the colonial administrator asks General Williams to alert the Alliance.  However, at that point the Turians arrive and are able to disrupt communications.
• General Williams leads several squads to activate an alternate communication array, while the intial bombardment of Shanxi begins.
• At Arcturus, the top Alliance officials discuss strategy and ready the fleet.
• The commander that rejected the offer to lead a squad decides that he wants to lead a squad now that a human colony has been atttacked.

That's all for now, I may make a part two post later.

 

[danteliveson]

This is gonna be awful.

[Mr Kazett]

I think a movie based on The FCW would be not be good. I admit it's important to the Story of Mass Effect, but the occupation of one planet by alien forces would not be a good story. It would be a generic sci-fi movie. Mass Effect has a lot of potential, and The FCW would limit the story greatly. A movie based on the FCW would only involve humans and turians, if anything we would see the Asari and Salarians toward the end. Biotics would get safted and Krogans, Quarians, Elcor, Volus would at not involved. To have a Universe the size of Mass Effect and limit it to one planet and two species is a disservice. I want to see Mass Effect, the universe that I love be brought to life in the big screen. I want to see Krogans, Quarians, Elcor, Volus, Drell, Hanar, etc. A Mass Effect movie about the FCW would be like a Star Wars movie that only takes place on Kashyyyk and only involves Humans and Wookies, it would be a missed opportunity. I can only hope the universe I have learned to love makes a graceful leap to the big screen.

[Ninjapino]

My whole opinion that it should not be Shepard simply comes down to this. The MEU is huge. Majority of stories, be it video games or books, that get adapted to movies follow a basic Point A to Point B narrative. Those stories have been told. We know them. If the movie follows it as close as possible, it's great. Other times, when it takes liberties, it's also great. Point is, those have an established narrative. The story has been told and there is nothing else to tell, so whether you stick to it or not, you're only gaining, not losing.

Something as big as Mass Effect, though.....why tell that story when we already know that one yet are fully aware that there is plenty more to tell. That would have been as if the new Star Trek movie was just a remake of season one of the original series. Would it have been fun? Sure. Would it have been as good as the new Star Trek. Probably not. It could have been a good "movie", but most people would be bored because they know the plot already.

Basically, why not? Why be satisfied with a re-hash of what you already know? People use Bladerunner as and example, but it was LOOSELY based off Androids. Again, though, it was a single story. That world could easily been expanded, but no hint was given that there was anything else interesting to tell about it. Mass Effect has given us plenty of hints that there are plenty of stories to tell. Some of those have been explored in the books and comics, but there is still plenty more to tell. Am I saying "base it on FCW"? No. But, if they chose that to be the main conflict, but let the universe as a whole be the main character......then yes. I'd be happy with that. (Again, not saying it needs to be FCW, just saying it shouldn't be the trilogy we already know.)

[The Edge]

If this movie is going to be about Shepard, I'll probably see the paragon version...

But seriously, why make a movie about an RPG were the protagonist can be whoever the player wants them to be? A movie cannot have that sort of flexibility and goes against what the series has been fleshing out for 3 games now (that being choice).

That is, of course, if the movie is about Shepard. If it's about some other occurance or character in the ME universe, then I'm not as concerned (although I'm not very optimistic about it, anyways)...

[Cephalopods]

Mr Kazett wrote...

I think a movie based on The FCW would not be good. I admit it's important to the Story of Mass Effect, but the occupation of one planet by alien forces would not be a good story. It would be a generic sci-fi movie. Mass Effect has a lot of potential, and The FCW would limit the story greatly. A movie based on the FCW would only involve humans and turians, if anything we would see the Asari and Salarians toward the end. Biotics would get safted and Krogans, Quarians, Elcor, Volus would at not involved. To have a Universe the size of Mass Effect and limit it to one planet and two species is a disservice. I want to see Mass Effect, the universe that I love be brought to life in the big screen. I want to see Krogans, Quarians, Elcor, Volus, Drell, Hanar, etc. A Mass Effect movie about the FCW would be like a Star Wars movie that only takes place on Kashyyyk and only involves Humans and Wookies, it would be a missed opportunity. I can only hope the universe I have learned to love makes a graceful leap to the big screen.

QFT. This is gold right here.

[ArkkAngel007]

 You're welcome Spinotech.  You brought up some well thought out issues and concerns, so I felt you deserved an equal response.

Now, quite a few don't want it focused on humanity's entrance into the galactic scene (aka Mars, Charon, and First Contact War) and want it filled with with many planets and dozens of species.

While that is great for those of us who know about the universe, but for Uncle Jo who is 55 and has never played Mass Effect, he just wants to enjoy his summer movie without having to have a mini-codex shoved under his nose with his admission ticket.  Rule of film: The more you show, the more you have to explain.  If you have too much and lose focus, you lose the audience.  

Also, remember that this is a new film that will be costly in effects, like Star Trek costly.  Batarians, and Asari are cheaper to depict SFX wise, but Hanar, Elcor, Volus (Please no midget jokes, though I'd love to see that Tyrion Lannister dude be a volus), Turians, and Krogan are expensive, and that's not even half of the species involved in the universe.  It's great to want a Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith epic, but that came after 5 high grossing and (mostly) popular movies.  If the first film makes a lot of money, then you will get your space epic.  But a film studio will not do Avatar type funding for a film based on a video game until it proves itself a bread winner (Look at what happened to Halo; popularity doesn't equal success).

Humanities entrance gives: relatable characters (human), a sole antagonist (turians), context for the universe, and it is a great jump off point for future films.  This isn't about the FCW, this is about what is financially and responsibly possible for this film.

[I99I Dragoon]

Cathey wrote...

Having it be about Shepard is silly since there's no canon. If the movie does star Shepard, they will obviously use male Shep and then they're basically saying that the only right way to play the game is as him.

While I'm not disagreeing with FCW for the movie, even if it is about Shepard, I doubt its gonna force a "right way" to play the game. It'll be more like Legendary Pictures' interpretation of the game.

[Darth Kraken]

Spinotech wrote...

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[*]Audience are sleeping and leaving the teather, no no and no I would start the movie with a bang, the reaper attack to the protheans.

[greed89]

The First Contact war would be just another Alien Invasion movie, they need to avoid that

They should do it like Pulp Fiction......But in Spaaaace

[ArkkAngel007]

greed89 wrote...

The First Contact war would be just another Alien Invasion movie, they need to avoid that

They should do it like Pulp Fiction......But in Spaaaace

It wouldn't be just another invasion movie.  First of all, the humans effectively lose the planet.  Sure it gets retaken, but that's the climax and you get treated to seeing the Turians amassing a fleet before the Council puts down the hammer  Also, Turians aren't there to completely annihilate the humans, unlike Independence Day, Falling Skies, or Battle: L.A. 

The FCW wouldn't be the entire film, maybe the last hour and a half.  It would be foolish to revolve the entire film on that event IMHO.  During that sequence though, it would focus on Williams and the choices he has to make in command, not on some hop-to grunts.  Plus the later interactions with the Turians would set it miles apart from alien invasion films.

And lets not forget, ME3 is an alien invasion film essentially.  But you are right in that they need to avoid the cliche alien invasion vibe.  Also, kudos for the Pulp Fiction reference.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 08 juillet 2011 - 01:38 .

[greed89]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

greed89 wrote...

The First Contact war would be just another Alien Invasion movie, they need to avoid that

They should do it like Pulp Fiction......But in Spaaaace

It wouldn't be just another invasion movie.  First of all, the humans effectively lose the planet.  Sure it gets retaken, but that's the climax and you get treated to seeing the Turians amassing a fleet before the Council puts down the hammer  Also, Turians aren't there to completely annihilate the humans, unlike Independence Day, Falling Skies, or Battle: L.A. .

its still Aliens  Vs humans over a planet, a Slightly  difrent take wont change  what it is at all

[ArkkAngel007]

greed89 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

greed89 wrote...

The First Contact war would be just another Alien Invasion movie, they need to avoid that

They should do it like Pulp Fiction......But in Spaaaace

It wouldn't be just another invasion movie.  First of all, the humans effectively lose the planet.  Sure it gets retaken, but that's the climax and you get treated to seeing the Turians amassing a fleet before the Council puts down the hammer  Also, Turians aren't there to completely annihilate the humans, unlike Independence Day, Falling Skies, or Battle: L.A. .

its still Aliens  Vs humans over a planet, a Slightly  difrent take wont change  what it is at all

Again, it could be said about Mass Effect 3 as well.  To be honest. all films have been done before if you go for a generic plot explanation.  Even Inception, which I consider the last major film to be released that was original, could also be generalized to cliche archetypes.  

Plus, human vs aliens on a planet and around Mass Relays isn't really that much different from humans vs aliens on several planets, except more budget wasted on special effects that add nothing to the story.  In any case this film will probably only take place in only a handful of places.  There will be no vast universe for the first film.  Too much risk for investors if it flops. 

Edit: I hope, if they go that route, that it doesn't end up like the generic alien invasion type films (The Dark of the Moon for example).  Hopefully the focus will mostly be on characters, as thats the appeal of Mass Effect next to the universe.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 08 juillet 2011 - 02:37 .

[Ninjapino]

Here's the thing a lot of people seem to be missing, IMO: Mass Effect is about a badass hero or badass action. It has that, yes, but that's not what drives the series. It's drama, story, and politics are what make the universe interesting. Again, I'm not saying FCW is the best choice, but it wouldn't be a bad one if you did it right. It doesn't need to be about the battle for Shanxi or anything, that would just be the climax. The movie itself could be a great movie that focuses on the humans first traveling out into the greater galaxy where they meet an initially hostile alien force. Read Evolution. It's apparent that turians and humans found communication between them before the end of the war. It's not a simple aliens vs humans story. It's an actual war story. Sapient being vs sapient being. Were their attempts at peace talks? Was anyone on either side opposed to hostile action? What about the turian hierarchy against the citadel councils decision to introduce humanity into the fold? There's actually a lot to tell there. Don't think that Mass Effect has to be an action film in anyway.