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[Ylhaym]

i just finished watching Star Trek movie (2009). And i think its good. I'm no Star Trek fan so i speak as a regular person not "into" Star Trek. And if the Mass Effect movie has at least the same quality as Star Trek, im sure regular movie goers/non fan will be satisfied and will appreciate ME. But i hope they(ME movie team) not only create a movie for a casual/non fan, but for us core fans too.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

When I first read the title .. DOOM came into my mind. ^__^

[Coltfighter]

You know all this "there is no official canon" stuff is just wrong. The Mass Effect novels recognize Udina as the Human Councilor even though that was a choice in the game. As an example, KOTOR 1 the official canon is the Revan chose the Light path and was male; so I don't see a problem with the film making it canon that Sheploo is the real Shepard. I mean most people are already used to seeing Sheploo in all the media surrounding MassEffect already. People can always have the games to shape however they chose; no one is taking that away from you, but a canon Shepard is a must for the film. He is too iconic of a character for the franchise to pass up. But that's strictly my opinion anyway.

[Sierra Crysis]

I think it should be some side story akin to like Mass Effect Galaxies with Jacob and Miranda. There's more life out there than just Shepard, and I personally tire of all the 'epic' planned trilogies there are in the movie/game world today. There's nothing wrong with a little creativity based in the ME IP.

Also.. Bioware has gone through great lengths to say there's no canon and though some of the novels mention Udina as the councilor that can be seen as Anderson stepping aside for the war, or TIM ransacking salvage from the Collector base, ect. ect. There being canon is one thing, them promising there isn't canon is another.

[PARAGON87]

Coltfighter wrote...

You know all this "there is no official canon" stuff is just wrong. The Mass Effect novels recognize Udina as the Human Councilor even though that was a choice in the game.

Drew Karpyshyn, when he wrote ME: Retribution, acknowledged the player's choices by saying that Anderson quit his "position" at the Citadel due to him cannot standing the diplomatic life.

He didn't say what position it was, whether or not he was an advisor or councellor.  He left that up to the readers' imagination, or in our case, choice.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:42 .

[Massadonious1]

For all the talk about "canon" and whatnot, this movie still has to be marketable to the general public. In fact, I'd say they need to market this to them, more than us. We already have a foot in the door in regards to interest in this universe. They don't. And I'm not sure if something like the First Contact War has that same kind of marketing appeal.

If you do a general Google search for "Mass Effect", you get links talking about the game. (Shepard's story) If you do a general Google image search for "Mass Effect", you mostly see Shepard and crew. ME1 and ME2 box art, and things of that nature. In fact, the only Turians you see within the first few pages or so are Garrus and Saren. Now, the average user watches trailers and sees other media of Turians and Humans fighting in this conflict that has nothing to do with their preconceived notions about what the Mass Effect universe is all about. Do you really think these people are going to bother to look up what this conflict was really about? This is the same demographic that somehow made the Transformers movies popular. I'm not saying that as a slight, just that some people are more visceral than others. Not to mention, since this movie will be coming out after ME3's release, the scope of such a conflict simply pales in comparisons to gigantic Chuthlu machines wreaking havoc on our home planet.

I'm not even sure that I would personally watch a Mass Effect movie about the First Contact War, because honestly, it's a period in ME's history that doesn't really interest me that much.

If they can garner enough interest and make it look more than just generic sci-fi, then more power to them. However, I would imagine that Legendary partnered with BioWare so that it could be a profitable movie franchise for both groups. If they feel that Shepard's story is more relatable, then they're going to go with it, whether we like it or not.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 08 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Terror_K]

Ylhaym wrote...

i just finished watching Star Trek movie (2009). And i think its good. I'm no Star Trek fan so i speak as a regular person not "into" Star Trek. And if the Mass Effect movie has at least the same quality as Star Trek, im sure regular movie goers/non fan will be satisfied and will appreciate ME. But i hope they(ME movie team) not only create a movie for a casual/non fan, but for us core fans too.

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

[darknoon5]

Terror_K wrote...

Ylhaym wrote...

i just finished watching Star Trek movie (2009). And i think its good. I'm no Star Trek fan so i speak as a regular person not "into" Star Trek. And if the Mass Effect movie has at least the same quality as Star Trek, im sure regular movie goers/non fan will be satisfied and will appreciate ME. But i hope they(ME movie team) not only create a movie for a casual/non fan, but for us core fans too.

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

...the new Star Trek film was great. Easily one of the best of the ST films. What is your problem with it? Do you just not like change?

Modifié par darknoon5, 08 juillet 2011 - 07:55 .

[Coltfighter]

darknoon5 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Ylhaym wrote...

i just finished watching Star Trek movie (2009). And i think its good. I'm no Star Trek fan so i speak as a regular person not "into" Star Trek. And if the Mass Effect movie has at least the same quality as Star Trek, im sure regular movie goers/non fan will be satisfied and will appreciate ME. But i hope they(ME movie team) not only create a movie for a casual/non fan, but for us core fans too.

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

...the new Star Trek film was great. Easily one of the best of the ST films. What is your problem with it? Do you just not like change?

Yeah, I agree! The new Trek was by far the best one since the Wrath of Kahn. I can't wait to see the sequel!

[Terror_K]

darknoon5 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

...the new Star Trek film was great. Easily one of the best of the ST films. What is your problem with it? Do you just not like change?

There's almost nothing I liked about it. A weak, nonsensical plot with too many retcons and bad characterisation. A terrible premise. Pathetic main villain. Spock was too emotional. The vulcans overall were too much like Romulans (much like Enterprise "Vulcans" were). Uhura suddenly being Spock's little piece of ass (again with Spock being too emotional). Ugly ship with Willy Wonka style cooling tubes that was built on Earth (WTF?!!) and closer to the size of a Galaxy class ship than the original Enterprise. Bad writing, bad direction (too much sweeping, rotating shots and shaky-cam, like most directors). I think I'd rather be strapped to a chair for a week watching nothing but Star Trek V and Nemesis over and over than see Abrams' piece of garbage even just once more.

The whole thing reeked of being retooled for a younger, hipper audience rather than being made for fans of teh original Star Trek (something Abrams outright stated beforehand, along with the fact he was never really into Trek at all). That movie pretty much exemplifies what's wrong with modern Hollywood and all these remakes, retools and rehashes being pumped out lately. But of course the mainstream public love it and lap it up because they love all this modern Hollywood excrement. In the last decade I can count the amount of really good films on my hands, and truly excellent ones on one hand at that (LotR: RotK, Serenity and Inception come to mind... I'm struggling beyond that for more).

Modifié par Terror_K, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[darknoon5]

Terror_K wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

...the new Star Trek film was great. Easily one of the best of the ST films. What is your problem with it? Do you just not like change?

There's almost nothing I liked about it. A weak, nonsensical plot with too many retcons and bad characterisation. A terrible premise. Pathetic main villain. Spock was too emotional. The vulcans overall were too much like Romulans (much like Enterprise "Vulcans" were). Uhura suddenly being Spock's little piece of ass (again with Spock being too emotional). Ugly ship with Willy Wonka style cooling tubes that was built on Earth (WTF?!!) and closer to the size of a Galaxy class ship than the original Enterprise. Bad writing, bad direction (too much sweeping, rotating shots and shaky-cam, like most directors). I think I'd rather be strapped to a chair for a week watching nothing but Star Trek V and Nemesis over and over than see Abrams' piece of garbage even just once more.

The whole thing reeked of being retooled for a younger, hipper audience rather than being made for fans of teh original Star Trek (something Abrams outright stated beforehand, along with the fact he was never really into Trek at all). That movie pretty much exemplifies what's wrong with modern Hollywood and all these remakes, retools and rehashes being pumped out lately. But of course the mainstream public love it and lap it up because they love all this modern Hollywood excrement. In the last decade I can count the amount of really good films on my hands, and truly excellent ones on one hand at that (LotR: RotK, Serenity and Inception come to mind... I'm struggling beyond that for more).

A large point of the film was Spock's emotions. He wasn't "too emotional" due to poor writing, he was intended that way. Remember he's half-human, and the point was to show another side of Vulcans. I had no real problem with Uhura being in a relationship with Spock, either.

Plus, it was a reboot, retcons are expected. And the fact, you know, it took place in a weird kind of alternate reality with all the time travel. The premise was fine, I don't see what was wrong with it. Eric Bana wasn't a fantastic villain, but he was quite solid.

As for the Romulans, they are meant to be similar to the Vulcans in appearance. To quote Memory Alpha:

The Romulans were a humanoid race from the planet Romulus in the Beta Quadrant. The Romulans were biological cousins of Vulcans, as they were descended from those who rejected Surak's reforms during the Time of Awakening.

And honestly, the ship was not ugly...how can you complain about the visuals, the effects used in the new ST are amazing. As for the rest, obviously there is going to be a few bits of dodgy writing, most films/games have them, including Mass Effect 1 and 2. Overall though, I thought the writing was better than a lot of other films today. The direction was fine imo, but that's more personal preference then anything.

And as per, you insult anybody who likes the film as "young, hip" and not possibly actually liking the originals, and refering to it as "excrement." I was never a huge ST fan, but I know two people who are huge afns, one who owns every box set, who both love the film. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean everybody else who liked the original(s) doesn't like the sequel. (just like your atttidude with ME2.)

Anyway, this is a Tangent, but I'd be delighted if the ME film was up to the same quality in acting and effects as the new ST film.

Modifié par darknoon5, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[Scottish TaZeR]

Ack I wish I could get there xD

[Terror_K]

darknoon5 wrote...

As for the Romulans, they are meant to be similar to the Vulcans in appearance.

I didn't mean in appearance; I meant the way they acted.

[darknoon5]

Terror_K wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

As for the Romulans, they are meant to be similar to the Vulcans in appearance.

I didn't mean in appearance; I meant the way they acted.

Well, the Romulans weren't in the film that much iirc, and the only one there was really much focus on was Bana's character, Nero. The others were all mooks.

[Terror_K]

darknoon5 wrote...

Well, the Romulans weren't in the film that much iirc, and the only one there was really much focus on was Bana's character, Nero. The others were all mooks.

No, I mean that the Vulcans acted too much like Romulans and not enough like Vulcans.

But that's off-topic. Except for the fact that we'll see how fans feel when when some chump who hasn't even played Mass Effect yet comes along and changes everything up to suit himself, and then all these new fans love it and this faux "Mass Effect" takes off leaving a good portion of the existing fans basically going, "WTF?!!"

[Ylhaym]

And honestly, the ship was not ugly...how can you complain about the visuals, the effects used in the new ST are amazing. As for the rest, obviously there is going to be a few bits of dodgy writing, most films/games have them, including Mass Effect 1 and 2. Overall though, I thought the writing was better than a lot of other films today. The direction was fine imo, but that's more personal preference then anything.

This is what i meant. The overall quality of the Star Trek movie was good. I hope (and i believe) ME movie's overall quality is on par or better than the Star Trek movie. I'm not talking about the plot/characterization part because obviously hardcore fans always have something comment about it.

[CaptainZaysh]

Terror_K wrote...

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

Trekkies bash new Star Trek film as "Fun, watchable"

[CaptainZaysh]

Spinotech wrote...

 ArkkAngel007, those were well thought responses and I agree with you in every regard.  

My idea for FCW is:

Spino, do you really think you can start a summer blockbuster with a long monologue about space exploration, which leads to a long talk in a bar about some dude's career progression, followed by a board meeting?

[Ninjapino]

I keep seeing the same two arguments over and over for keeping it about the game trilogy. "Shepard is in all the media the general public has already seen" and "FCW holds little interest". First off, yes, Shepard is in a lot of the media, but the general public still has no idea who he is. At most, if they were told by someone else, they know that he's the main character of the games. After that they have no idea who he is because anybody who explains him is going to have a different answer. They have no investment in him as a character and the fans that do all have a different opinion of who s/he is. As much as I love ME, you can't honestly tell me Shepard is a household name and everybody wants a Sheploo. Fans are split because most of us have a different opinion of Shepard and majority of the general public honestly doesn't care.

Now, FCW not being that big of a conflict.....it was humans first time exploring the outer galaxy. It was their first time meeting an alien species. Granted, it didn't last long in the giant scheme of things, but I'd say several months worth of something that important has plenty of material for a movie in it. Saying "nothing really big happened during FCW" is bullcrap. There's a reason why it gets talked about 20 years after it happened and why there is still some animosity between humans and turians. I mean, yes, if they focus it all on the three month war, then it will probably just be a crappy explodo-thon. But if they focus it on the drama and politics of the matter, there is plenty there.

Again, not saying that it SHOULD be about FCW, just stop saying that it would be terrible if it was (because you honestly don't know what went on there) and trying to say doing a rehash of the story we know is better.

[ThePwener]

[Drone223]

The FCW may have been short but it plays a major role in the rise of humanity in the galaxy the ME movie about the FCW should be done from both the Turian and Human perpective, Humans will fight to defend themselves from a new threat and the Turians will enforce the will of the council we could even see a turian marine on the citadel talking to some Asari, Elcor, Salerian, Hanar etc about this newly discovered species in a paticular scene that way it will not be a humans verses alien movie but it gives us the perspective of both factions

[ThePwener]

People are talking about the First Contact War like it is confirmed the movie takes place then. For all we know, it takes place during the Reaper war.

Just saying.

[CaptainZaysh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Personally, a Mass Effect film depicting Commander Shepard's hunt for Saren and the Eden Prime War wouldn't work just on the sheer scale of the story.  Forget the side missions, which would then present the problem of no set up for Cerberus in a second film, and you would still have a vast main storyline to butcher to even get near 3 hours worth of film.  That would mean Noveria, Feros, and Therum would have to either have major sections cut out (No Rachni or Thorian, which would mean no missing relay or cipher), but maybe cut entirely (Therum for sure as it really only has 5 minutes worth of film material anyways; Liara could easily be incorporated elsewhere).  

That's what some of us are excited about.  The story could be much more exciting if it were written as a movie rather than a game.  Of course things will need to get cut but that's a good thing.  We don't need to see Shepard driving the Mako around Binthu to introduce the Cerberus organisation.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Plus, complex topics such as the genophage that take multiple dialogues and codex entries in the first game to understand would not have a real place in a film.  Audiences will not want to sit through 3 to 5 minutes of explanations of every complex topic in the game, whether it be the genophage, First Contact War, Rachni Wars, etc.  Yes, some could be supported by a "flashback" sequence on the events, but it still takes up too much time.

3-5 minute expository dialogues (and - ugh - flashbacks) are hardly the only way to explain plot elements to the audience.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
That leaves three options.  There could be still a Shepard film, but it would be greatly changed to where the only fully intact parts would be Eden Prime, the investigation on the Citadel (with a lot of changes to flow better), and the Battle of the Citadel.  The Therum, Noveria, and Feros plot points would likely be combined on either another planet or one of them.

Easily the best option, and the one they will take if they have any desire for this movie to be a success.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Option 2 is follow Anderson's story in Revelations, which is a decent enough size to be transferred to the film medium.  Problem with that is still establishing plot background such as the First Contact War and the Batarian/Human political relationship.  Plus it would lead to Mass Effect's events directly, which would bring the already discussed issues into play again for the next film.

Boring.  The next film would never get made.  If this were a good idea they would have made Mass 1 about Revelations.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Option 3, and perhaps the best, is to establish the universe with humanity's discovery of the Martian south pole observation post and the Charon Relay, leading into the First Contact War as the buildup and climax, and end with the introduction of humanity into the galactic community.  It would probably follow Grissom and Williams, with Grissom making the fated travel through the Charon Relay and leading the efforts to retake Shanxi, while Williams will provide the view of Shanxi as it's invaded, bombarded by its own stations, small asteroids, and dreadnought fire.  No Illusive Man though.  He works well as a mysterious antagonist, and it should stay that way.  A film doesn't need a million deaths to be successful.  Have civilians be terrorized and some strategic battles to keep the audience interested with some good character moments between.

Also boring.  The next film would never get made.  If this were a good idea they would have made Mass 1 about FCW.  If you think Avi Arad bought the movie rights so he could make a movie about the story of a supporting character's grandfather you're crazy!

[darknoon5]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

And as an old-school Trekkie who loathed J.J. Abrams modern piece of mainstream BS, becoming like that abomination is the exact thing I fear happening to a Mass Effect movie. I don't want it to be like Abrams Star Trek and see it directed by somebody who never really cared for the original series and by writers who were casual watchers at best.

Trekkies bash new Star Trek film as "Fun, watchable"

I also agree that it seems unlikely somebody would buy the rights for a Mass Effect film that does not feature Shepard, but I guess we'll find out more on the 22nd.

Modifié par darknoon5, 08 juillet 2011 - 11:15 .

[ThePwener]

Shepard film = horrible idea

I hope BW knows better.