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redbaron76 wrote...
Why do you blame VS is the question I say to you.

Because they were responsible for the incident.  If you can't see how they blindsight Shepard I don't know how to explain it to you.  I've explained it all already.  Just read the old posts it's all in there and I grow tired of repeating myself.

redbaron76 wrote...
Because she called you a traitor you get upset and do not want to use her on your team.

No because she showed and excersized bad judgment I don't want her on my team. Why are you trying to make this more about me vs what happened on horizon ? 

redbaron76 wrote...
The whole point is for you to repair the trust you share with VS. And after all the real cause of the crisis is not horizon but shepards death.

Maybe. Maybe not.  I think the point is to defeat the reapers.  And I need the best by myside, what has Ash accomplished that warrants I bring her ? 

redbaron76 wrote...
And if you want to take hard line that is fine, but blaming the vs for the incident when she was under orders not to trust shepard is something VS can not be held responsible for. 

Who said she was under orders ? Where is that said ?

redbaron76 wrote...
After all we all know that VS is all soldier. But to take your statement into account I think that both VS and shepard need to apologise for horizon, Vs for calling traitor and not trusting shepard, and shepard for not contacting VS and leting them know that he was still alive and for taking cerberus is only onky trying to prevent colonies from disapiarin and only one to do it line.

  completely out of the question.  I'd never have my Shepard apologize.  He didn't do anything wrong.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:49 .

[demonic_cookie]

I'd never have my Shepard apologize. He didn't do anything wrong.

Your own words: IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO

Why are you ignoring me, again? Is it because I point out inconsistencies in your reasoning too obviously?

[whywhywhywhy]

demonic_cookie wrote...

Takes
two to tango

Why don't they both have to explain then? Why is it VS who needs to explain/apologize, and Shep doesn't?

He already tried to expain Ash didn't listen, not his fault.

jreezy wrote...
Hackett the most reasonable out of everyone Shepard knows? Pfft.

Clarification: Reasonable of the alliance brass.

James2912 wrote...

I'll forgive Ashley for a......  PB and J... 

And a beer!  oh and she has to bring it wearing a apron.

demonic_cookie wrote...

I'd
never have my Shepard apologize. He didn't do anything wrong.

Your
own words: IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO

Why are you ignoring me, again?
Is it because I point out inconsistencies in your reasoning too
obviously?

Never inconsistent. Period.  He would talk things out but he wouldn't apologize for his actions, he could answer questions but he'd never Apologize for his actions.

P.S. Your demanding.:happy:

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:02 .

[demonic_cookie]

He already tried.

He didn't try. He mumbled something incoherent on Horizon and stood there like a statue of a moron. If that is trying to explain, then he wasn't trying hard enough. Ashley is definitely better off without him if that is how he expects a relationship to go, or a friendship even.

he could answer questions but he'd never Apologize for his actions.

would he apologize for acting like a dimwitted ****** on Horizon?

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:04 .

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whywhywhywhy wrote...

demonic_cookie wrote...

Takes
two to tango

Why don't they both have to explain then? Why is it VS who needs to explain/apologize, and Shep doesn't?

He already tried.

jreezy wrote...
Hackett the most reasonable out of everyone Shepard knows? Pfft.

Clarification: Reasonable of the alliance brass.

James2912 wrote...

I'll forgive Ashley for a......  PB and J... 

And a beer!  oh and she has to bring it wearing a apron.

Stop trying to force your vision of Shepard on everyone else. It's clear that your Shepard doesn't think he did anything wrong, and is pissed at Ashley for believing he did. And he's very likely to never forgive her for this, because he believes it demonstrates her complete unsuitability.

But your Shepard is not everyone's Shepard. Maybe yours can't ever regain trust with Ashley. Mine absolutely can - and he actually would be more likely to trust her after Horizon than before, because it demonstrates that she's both loyal to the alliance and despises Cerberus, and is unwilling to blindly trust someone - even someone she loved - who was so evidently compromised during his long absence.

I can envision other Shepards, who might take some time to get over the two year absence. Others who might have been active Cerberus supporters the entire time, who will never trust Ashley again. Others who want her to apologize for not trusting him. Others who are waiting for the opportunity to apologize for being such a derp. Others who took the opportunity to knock boots with Miranda and no longer really care very much. Which, probably is what your Shepard should have done, if only to spite Ashley.

Shepard is who we make him. Not who you make him. 

Modifié par Helm505, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:06 .

[whywhywhywhy]

Siansonea II wrote...
Oh, I can answer the question with one word: Proof. You've been relying on people having faith in Shepard, despite the circumstances. The circumstances look really bad for Shepard. The most likely scenario, given the circumstances, is that Shepard faked his death to work with Cerberus, and has been covertly working with Cerberus for two years.

If that's what they think they need proof of such.  Your basically saying the alliance or whoever else opposing him is fabricating his involvement with Cerberus.  Wow.

Siansonea II wrote...
That scenario is a lot more realistic than "I was in a coma for two years. Cerberus rebuilt me." No one with half a brain would think Shepard's story was true, when a very likely other scenario is evident.

A medical scan and examination would show what they did to him, I'm sure in exchange for immunity Miranda could walk them through what steps she took.  Doesn't matter how i sounds.  If we're not discussing the writing(which is very bad) but the story itself then Shepard has nothing to worry about he didn't commit one wrong act in his fight against the Collectors.  Its not a matter of what's more likely, but what actually happened.

Siansonea II wrote...
I would certainly think "I never knew Shepard at all" before I'd believe "preposterous story of resurrection is true", and if Shepard thinks anyone should just "trust" him, that shows poor judgment. It's been two years for the VS, and Shepard KNOWS that. He's not a victim, he's just a ******.

I almost agree that he's dumb I would have never stayed that long to convince Joker to come with.  I would have taken him without a word or left him to die.  But that's another conversation.

But to respond to more of what your saying I don't understand your complaint.  You have a aweful lot of hostility towards Shepard while knowing the events that happened, the things he explained were true.  Maybe you would prefer if he groveled and dropped to his knees and begged the VS back?  (shrug)

Siansonea II wrote...
He has to know how bad it looks, but rather than offer any actual proof he just goes into hail-fellow-well-met casual chitchat mode. He should have said something like "hey, look at my omnitool data, see these recordings from Freedom's Progress? They show that the Collectors hit another colony, and you just witnessed another Collector attack. Whether it's the Reapers or not, the Collectors have to be stopped.

was the VS not there to witness it on Horizon ?  Why do they need their hand held ?

Siansonea II wrote...
I don't trust Cerberus either, do you think I've forgotten about Akuze, or Admiral Kahoku? I haven't, believe me.

If the VS knows Shepard It's not something that needs to be said, they should know already.  I mean they claim to be torn up but acted all irrational.  Doesn't make sense.

Siansonea II wrote...
Call Tali, she can verify the situation from Freedom's Progress, she was there when we got there." The VS shouldn't have to demand specific answers, they aren't the ones whose situation looks bad.

yes they do.  It's all on the VS, if they want to pass judgement without finding out what's going on.  How could that not be the VS's fault when he's not guilty of what she claims.

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard has some splainin' to do, and doesn't really ever try to offer anything but "you know me, you should trust me." Not good enough. It's just not. Not when you're alive after being "dead" for two years, and not when you're on a Cerberus ship with Cerberus companions, it just looks too bad for "trust" to trump that.

Shepard told her what happened she didn't beieve him you want Shepard to beg.

[Ryzaki]

Helm505 wrote...
Stop trying to force your vision of Shepard on everyone else. It's clear that your Shepard doesn't think he did anything wrong, and is pissed at Ashley for believing he did. And he's very likely to never forgive her for this, because he believes it demonstrates her complete unsuitability.

But your Shepard is not everyone's Shepard. Maybe yours can't ever regain trust with Ashley. Mine absolutely can - and he actually would be more likely to trust her after Horizon than before, because it demonstrates that she's both loyal to the alliance and despises Cerberus, and is unwilling to blindly trust someone - even someone she loved - who was so evidently compromised during his long absence.

I can envision other Shepards, who might take some time to get over the two year absence. Others who might have been active Cerberus supporters the entire time, who will never trust Ashley again. Others who want her to apologize for not trusting him. Others who are waiting for the opportunity to apologize for being such a derp. Others who took the opportunity to knock boots with Miranda and no longer really care very much. Which, probably is what your Shepard should have done, if only to spite Ashley.

Shepard is who we make him. Not who you make him. 

The bolded towards those "oh Shepard has to apologize because he was in the wrong!!!" peeps as well. 

Your Shepard =/= My Shepard. 

Now your Shepard may think he needs to bow and scrape towards the VS but please don't shove your nose in the air and go "Oh you're just mad because they didn't roll over to you!!" like a child. No it's not about that. It's about them not giving Shepard any trust at all. You get what you put into a relationship. And as far as my Shep's concerned he got spat in his face. So as far as he's concerned f*** them. Now other Sheps may feel differently. That's the great thing about RPing. We can all be right. 

[trobbins777]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

(Horizon)
VS:"What if Cerberus is working with the collectors?"

Shepard: "That's preposterous"

(Later in ME3)

Shepard: "Cerberus are agents of the reapers!"

VS: "Somehow, I told you so, doesn't cover it."

Shepard: "I said reapers not collectors."

VS: "Because that makes it soooooo much better."

Yeah cause they couldn't have been indoctrinated after the fact.  What happens if VS is indoctrinated ?

Actually if you read the comics, it is very likely that the illusive man was indoctrinated before he created Cerberus. I don't know the specifics but it has something to do with his machine eyes. 

To answer your second question, based on what we know about the VS they have not encountered any type of reaper technology. Although that isn't saying much considering the fact that WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE VS HAS BEEN UP TO THESE PAST TWO YEARS, THANKS FOR THAT BIOWARE.

/ I wish there was a angry emoticon

but nonetheless you've made that accusation with no supporting evidence...

[whywhywhywhy]

Helm505 wrote...
Stop trying to force your vision of Shepard on everyone else. It's clear that your Shepard doesn't think he did anything wrong, and is pissed at Ashley for believing he did. And he's very likely to never forgive her for this, because he believes it demonstrates her complete unsuitability.

I don't have a vision of Shepard that I'm "forcing on everyone" I'm responding to emotional outbursts from those who have issue with statements I make that are based on the events that happened in tha game, unlike their retorts.  So if you want to be useful direct that energy to the others where it'll do some good.

Now having said that let me respond.  Shepard doesn't contact Ash after she writes him, what do you think that means ?  That's the Character responding. I have no control in that so it's "built in"  Shepard is Angry when he leaves Horizon I have no option I can choose to change his disposition. 

Helm505 wrote...
But your Shepard is not everyone's Shepard.

Never said he was.

Helm505 wrote...
Maybe yours can't ever regain trust with Ashley. Mine absolutely can - and he actually would be more likely to trust her after Horizon than before, because it demonstrates that she's both loyal to the alliance and despises Cerberus, and is unwilling to blindly trust someone - even someone she loved - who was so evidently compromised during his long absence.

good for you.  I would point you to Tali if you betray(to see the dialog) her at the hearing she tells you how she feels and it's spot on.  That's what I see worth trusting more. I don't see a question in that so I'm moving on. 

Helm505 wrote...
I can envision other Shepards, who might take some time to get over the two year absence. Others who might have been active Cerberus supporters the entire time, who will never trust Ashley again. Others who want her to apologize for not trusting him. Others who are waiting for the opportunity to apologize for being such a derp. Others who took the opportunity to knock boots with Miranda and no longer really care very much. Which, probably is what your Shepard should have done, if only to spite Ashley.

My Shepard likes Tali, Liara, kelly and Jack.

Helm505 wrote...
Shepard is who we make him. Not who you make him. 

But one thing that ties it all together is his responses after we select the text, the course of actions it sends him on that's indisputable and indicates who Shepard is.  But you want to know what I found funny you attack me based on my position, I look at the situation based on the events that happened, didn't happened and that logically and rationally Should have happened.  If I say "why didn't they search for Shepard's body ?" That's a valid question considering it's a important military practice.  All my Questions and stances follow this reasoning.

Thank you.

[Siansonea]

Whywhywhywhy, I have to ask myself whywhywhywhy I bother with you. You clearly can't put yourself in someone else's shoes. All it boils down to for you is "Ashley was mean to me" and that's it. If you can't see WHY Ashley couldn't just take your—I mean Shepard's—word for things, then you're really not rational.

I really hope you never find yourself in any sort of legal situation, because your egocentric brand of logic SO would not fly in a court of law. Reputation and friendship aren't a license to do anything you want.

[Siansonea]

jreezy wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Helm505 wrote...
Stop trying to force your vision of Shepard on everyone else. It's clear that your Shepard doesn't think he did anything wrong, and is pissed at Ashley for believing he did. And he's very likely to never forgive her for this, because he believes it demonstrates her complete unsuitability.

I don't have a vision of Shepard that I'm "forcing on everyone" I'm responding to emotional outbursts from those who have issue with statements I make that are based on the events that happened in tha game, unlike their retorts.  So if you want to be useful direct that energy to the others where it'll do some good.

Now having said that let me respond.  Shepard doesn't contact Ash after she writes him, what do you think that means ?  That's the Character responding. I have no control in that so it's "built in"  Shepard is Angry when he leaves Horizon I have no option I can choose to change his disposition. 

Helm505 wrote...
But your Shepard is not everyone's Shepard.

Never said he was.

Helm505 wrote...
Maybe yours can't ever regain trust with Ashley. Mine absolutely can - and he actually would be more likely to trust her after Horizon than before, because it demonstrates that she's both loyal to the alliance and despises Cerberus, and is unwilling to blindly trust someone - even someone she loved - who was so evidently compromised during his long absence.

good for you.  I would point you to Tali if you betray(to see the dialog) her at the hearing she tells you how she feels and it's spot on.  That's what I see worth trusting more. I don't see a question in that so I'm moving on. 

Helm505 wrote...
I can envision other Shepards, who might take some time to get over the two year absence. Others who might have been active Cerberus supporters the entire time, who will never trust Ashley again. Others who want her to apologize for not trusting him. Others who are waiting for the opportunity to apologize for being such a derp. Others who took the opportunity to knock boots with Miranda and no longer really care very much. Which, probably is what your Shepard should have done, if only to spite Ashley.

My Shepard likes Tali, Liara, kelly and Jack.

Helm505 wrote...
Shepard is who we make him. Not who you make him. 

But one thing that ties it all together is his responses after we select the text, the course of actions it sends him on that's indisputable and indicates who Shepard is.  But you want to know what I found funny you attack me based on my position, I look at the situation based on the events that happened, didn't happened and that logically and rationally Should have happened.  If I say "why didn't they search for Shepard's body ?" That's a valid question considering it's a important military practice.  All my Questions and stances follow this reasoning.

Thank you.

I believe you may have out debated everyone in this thread so far.

Well, if high word count could win arguments, then you'd have a point.

[whywhywhywhy]

trobbins777 wrote...

Actually if you read the comics, it is very likely that the illusive man was indoctrinated before he created Cerberus. I don't know the specifics but it has something to do with his machine eyes.

They were never clear about what happened to TIM, when he touched his friend something did happened to him but they weren't clear with exactly what happened.  My theory is whatever happened made him more susceptible to indoctrination so when the Reapers show up he's easily turned if he's turned.  The indoctrination coul be limited to certain Cells.

trobbins777 wrote...
To answer your second question, based on what we know about the VS they have not encountered any type of reaper technology. Although that isn't saying much considering the fact that WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE VS HAS BEEN UP TO THESE PAST TWO YEARS, THANKS FOR THAT BIOWARE.

I agree about this part the writing is horrid, I discussed that with iakus .

trobbins777 wrote...
/ I wish there was a angry emoticon

but nonetheless you've made that accusation with no supporting evidence...

So have you.  Neither of us have any idea of a timeline in regards to the indoctrination.  Yours indicates they were collector collaborators mines is from the stance of Cerebus getting indoctrinated from the research they conduct or from the Reaper invasion.  Which would mean the thing about helping the collectors is wrong.

The things that lead me to believe this is Cerberus's constant failure in handling lots of things as well as Reaper tech.  They injected Paul grayson with Reaper tech to observe him and a bit of revenge and he escaped.  They found the Derelict Reaper and lost the whole team.  Thorian Creepers, rachni and etc.  They to me aren't capable of handling the tech responsibly, so given the events of arrival which indicate the reapers are getting closer mybe they become workers instead of husks ?  Plausible. And as more info is released we'll find out how well my educated guess is.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:11 .

[trobbins777]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I don't have a vision of Shepard that I'm "forcing on everyone" I'm responding to emotional outbursts from those who have issue with statements I make that are based on the events that happened in tha game, unlike their retorts.  So if you want to be useful direct that energy to the others where it'll do some good.

Now having said that let me respond.  Shepard doesn't contact Ash after she writes him, what do you think that means ?  That's the Character responding. I have no control in that so it's "built in"  Shepard is Angry when he leaves Horizon I have no option I can choose to change his disposition.  

He(or she) is? Did Shepard say specifically that he/she was angry? You hear him or her say "I've had enough of this colony." However it is still left up to us to determine if Shepard is hurt/angry/sad/etc. You can't make the argument that a certain character's action or inaction really has anything to do with their state of mind. For example you may see that Shepard not responding to the VS email is a sign that they are still angry with them. I could however see it as Shepard not willing to become distracted in preparing for a suicide mission, or not wanting to give the VS false hope that they will make it back from the suicide mission. 

[whywhywhywhy]

Siansonea II wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just "trust Shepard" hero of this, savior of that, when he says "oh yeah, I've uh, been dead for two years, yeah, that's it, and I uh, was rebuilt by Cerberus by Miracle Science, yeah, that's the ticket..."

Soooo.... you don't trust yourself? 

yeah seems a bit dysfunctional lol:D

Au contraire, mon frère. What's dysfunctional is over-identifying with the player character's point of view, to the point where other character's points of view are completely dismissed/devalued.

You aren't really Commander Shepard, you know. You're playing the character, it's not you. And in any case, the VS isn't Playing Mass Effect 2™, the VS is confronting a long-dead friend (maybe) who is working with the enemy.

If you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes, then you're the one who's dysfunctional, pure and simple. I can look at the situation from the VS point of view, because I'm not Shepard. I'm a player of a game. I can see other character's points of view, including characters like Tela Vasir (one of the best adversaries in the entire game), who also calls out Shepard on working with Cerberus. That was an awesome moment. Really, the most unrealistic thing about ME2 (other than Magic Science Resurrection and Puree O' Humans Reaper Chow) is that more people don't call out Shepard for working with Cerberus.

calm down I think you and red are getting too worked up.

[Iakus]

jreezy wrote...

When you really examine the Horizon situation the VS is definitely the one in the wrong, not Shepard.

There is no right in that situation, on any level.

The VS was willing to throw their career away based on Shepard's visions and teh information Liara managed to scoop from Shep's head.  They've flown all over the Traverse, seen all sorts of bizarre things from supposedly extinct bug cretures, sentient, mind-controlling plants, Prothean ruins, Cerberus facilities, heck they drove through a mass relay!  All without blinking.  And in the end, they saved the galaxy from a race of sentient warships living in darkspace!

Shep's back and working for Cerberus?  Must be a human extremist traitor. Yep, must be it. There's no way there could possibly be more to it than that.  It's not like Shepard's been in odd situations before, even on the wrong side of the law.  Yup.  Traitor.  So's Garrus.  He's a human extremist traitor too. 

Shep, well, Shep pretty much forgets how to speak rationally.  He's sitting on a ton of evidence, can easily prove he's no Cerberus lackey, but instead just stands there like an idiot.  

[whywhywhywhy]

trobbins777 wrote...
He(or she) is? Did Shepard say specifically that he/she was angry? You hear him or her say "I've had enough of this colony." However it is still left up to us to determine if Shepard is hurt/angry/sad/etc.

yeah right, tone and inflection man.  Common sense.

trobbins777 wrote...
You can't make the argument that a certain character's action or inaction really has anything to do with their state of mind.

"I've had enough of this colony" lends itself to a reasonable estimate as to what he's feeling.  The tone and inflection give further credence of this.  Also the dialog options he gets when he speaks to Kelly and Joker are telling, why have those dialog options if he isn't disapponted, angry and or hurt ?  Thank you.

trobbins777 wrote...
For example you may see that Shepard not responding to the VS email is a sign that they are still angry with them. I could however see it as Shepard not willing to become distracted in preparing for a suicide mission, or not wanting to give the VS false hope that they will make it back from the suicide mission.

It's a sign that he doesn't find it worth the time to respond despite having plenty of time to respond.  He doesn't message them or seek them out after the SM, he doesn't have a reunion with her an no DLC has been made for them. 
That's telling.  Thank you.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:29 .

[Siansonea]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just "trust Shepard" hero of this, savior of that, when he says "oh yeah, I've uh, been dead for two years, yeah, that's it, and I uh, was rebuilt by Cerberus by Miracle Science, yeah, that's the ticket..."

Soooo.... you don't trust yourself? 

yeah seems a bit dysfunctional lol:D

Au contraire, mon frère. What's dysfunctional is over-identifying with the player character's point of view, to the point where other character's points of view are completely dismissed/devalued.

You aren't really Commander Shepard, you know. You're playing the character, it's not you. And in any case, the VS isn't Playing Mass Effect 2™, the VS is confronting a long-dead friend (maybe) who is working with the enemy.

If you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes, then you're the one who's dysfunctional, pure and simple. I can look at the situation from the VS point of view, because I'm not Shepard. I'm a player of a game. I can see other character's points of view, including characters like Tela Vasir (one of the best adversaries in the entire game), who also calls out Shepard on working with Cerberus. That was an awesome moment. Really, the most unrealistic thing about ME2 (other than Magic Science Resurrection and Puree O' Humans Reaper Chow) is that more people don't call out Shepard for working with Cerberus.

calm down I think you and red are getting too worked up.

I am perfectly calm. Clearly you can't put yourself in my shoes well enough to recognize that my statements aren't emotionally vehement, but rather intellectually resolute. Not exactly a fine line, I'm surprised you missed it.

[trobbins777]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...
/ I wish there was a angry emoticon

but nonetheless you've made that accusation with no supporting evidence...

So have you.  Neither of us have any idea of a timeline in regards to the indoctrination.  Yours indicates they were collector collaborators mines is from the stance of Cerebus getting indoctrinated from the research they conduct or from the Reaper invasion.  Which would mean the thing about helping the collectors is wrong.

No, I haven't. I simply stated the irony of the situation shepard finds himself in. Forgive me if i failed to convey that message.

[Siansonea]

jreezy wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
*snip*
Well, if high word count could win arguments, then you'd have a point.

Not just the word count. whywhywhywhy's explanation of the whole VS situation seems pretty logical.

I wonder what type of person might find an inherently egocentric point of view logical. Someone help me out here.

[whywhywhywhy]

iakus wrote...

jreezy wrote...

When you really examine the Horizon situation the VS is definitely the one in the wrong, not Shepard.

There is no right in that situation, on any level.

The VS was willing to throw their career away based on Shepard's visions and teh information Liara managed to scoop from Shep's head.  They've flown all over the Traverse, seen all sorts of bizarre things from supposedly extinct bug cretures, sentient, mind-controlling plants, Prothean ruins, Cerberus facilities, heck they drove through a mass relay!  All without blinking.  And in the end, they saved the galaxy from a race of sentient warships living in darkspace!

Shep's back and working for Cerberus?  Must be a human extremist traitor. Yep, must be it. There's no way there could possibly be more to it than that.  It's not like Shepard's been in odd situations before, even on the wrong side of the law.  Yup.  Traitor.  So's Garrus.  He's a human extremist traitor too. 

Shep, well, Shep pretty much forgets how to speak rationally.  He's sitting on a ton of evidence, can easily prove he's no Cerberus lackey, but instead just stands there like an idiot.  

I think people are forgetting how unsettling it would be to wake up with two years of your life gone.  I haven't seen anything in the game that as a result of my choices or something shown in a cut scene that would lend me to believe that he would want to explain himself in the apologetic way most people seem to want from him on Horizon.  To me, Shepards response was normal for that condition.  He answered the questions, that'll all the VS can ask of him, it's up to them to believe him or not.  They chose not to.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:35 .

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trobbins777 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...
/ I wish there was a angry emoticon

but nonetheless you've made that accusation with no supporting evidence...

So have you.  Neither of us have any idea of a timeline in regards to the indoctrination.  Yours indicates they were collector collaborators mines is from the stance of Cerebus getting indoctrinated from the research they conduct or from the Reaper invasion.  Which would mean the thing about helping the collectors is wrong.

No, I haven't. I simply stated the irony of the situation shepard finds himself in. Forgive me if i failed to convey that message.

Ah I get it your post wasn't something meant for a response, still, my point stands. Irony or not. Thanks

edit:
bedtime GN all.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 28 juillet 2011 - 05:40 .

[Iakus]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...
To answer your second question, based on what we know about the VS they have not encountered any type of reaper technology. Although that isn't saying much considering the fact that WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE VS HAS BEEN UP TO THESE PAST TWO YEARS, THANKS FOR THAT BIOWARE.

I agree about this part the writing is horrid, I discussed that with iakus .

I think this is the post you're referring too:

whywhywhywhy wrote...

While I agree the writing sucked and the storyline is horrid in ME2, I can't write it off the VS's (ash in my case) actions so simply.  One thing is clear despite the player not being able to actually decide anything meaningful in me2, the point of the scene is that Ash doesn't give you a Chance to explain.  Regardless how the scene is handle this is what Ashley's character is now and Sheperd was blindsighted.  When he woke up the first thing he did was ask about his team, when Ash first sees him she greets then attacks him.  Why Should Sheperd be the one to convince Her she's wrong ?  Even if better written and I could convince her I don't know if I would if Traitor is part of her dialog.

Exactly.  The entire scene takes on an air of unreality.  I can't understand why the VS goes off on Shepard the way he/she does when they already know from firsthand experience what carzy sh...stuff Shepard has done in the past to save the galaxy.  The only way I feel it can be resolved in a way that makes any sense at all is if something else is going on that Shepard (and maybe the VS) don't know about.  Otherwise, it's  simply bad, bad writing.

And to all the others saying people who don't like the VS are "butthurt" or wanted her/him to "bow down" you couldn't be further from the truth.  It isn't about Sheperd at all it's about the reapers an the VS survivor knows that but goes crazy because Cerberus wants to fight the Collectors/Reapers.  They've shown that they are unreliable and since I never considered Ash a LI but liked her as a Soldier her now questionable judgement she's useless to me.

As I've said

I have no problem with the VS not being recruitable
I have no problem with them disapproving of working with Cerberus
I DO have a problem with them freaking out and calling me a traitor.

But at the same time, Bioware's attempt to drive a wedge between Shepard and the VS is so pathetically obvious I am instinctively digging my heels in