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[Abispa]

My Shepard and Ashley are going to be SO happy to be reunited, lounging by the fire, planning all the fun things they are going to do with the money they get from selling Legion.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
If one of your subordinates wants to talk, you listen. You don't give them a song-and-dance and then brush them off in a faux-businesslike way. But you do things your way, I'll do things my way. If I'm ever in a position to supervise or command others, I'll hear them out, regardless of what they want to talk about. Because I don't want anything to get in the way of their performance of their duties. Because I might be able to help them. Because I've got better things to do than be mad at people who questioned my authoritah.

A valuable asset is one who WILL question their superiors, who WILL speak up if they feel ethical boundaries are being crossed. That's a person whose counsel I will seek out. 

Ah the assumption that it's only because they didn't bow and kiss my Shep's feet is why I permanetly put them in business zone. Please. 

Oh sure. And in my view that valued asset is one who will also think about a situation in full before making snap judgements. Someone who will take history and past behavior into account before he/she opens his/her mouth. Someone who gives the benefit of the doubt, someone who doesn't let emotions rule over reason. The VS failed utterly at that. 

But like you said you do your things your way and I'll do them mine.   

Though a tweaking wouldn't be remiss "You did what you had to do Lieutenant/Commander. I'll do the same." 

Right. Because you're doing such a good job of letting reason rule over emotions. 

Aren't you the one who characterized your snippy brush-off as "the ultimate FU"? That tells me right there where you're coming from, sweetheart. And you can couch it whatever terms you wish, but it doesn't mask the fact that you're miffed and you're letting the VS know that. You're not being businesslike at all, you're just being cold and unapproachable. 

[Iakus]

Siansonea II wrote...


The same Councilor who "stonewalls" the VS. Funny how Anderson is getting off scott-free in all of this, when a simple heads-up from Anderson to the VS would avoided a ton of confusion on Horizon.

Would it?  Explain.

I mean, here's the VS, in front of the one person who can crack their investigation right open, the connection between the vanished colonies, the Collectors, and Cerberus, and they just walk away.   Not just walk away, but do a good job of burning the bridges behind them, in a singlualrly irrational outburst.

This is sheer genius. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before! Instead of doing surveillance on the Mafia, why don't we just stroll up to a Mafia operative and ask them all about the organization and their activities. That would SO work! 


And really, THAT was "burning a bridge"?  It doesn't take much with you folks, does it? All someone has to do is question your decision and disagree with you. I foresee lots of burned bridges in your futures if that's all it takes.

Or talking to someone you know personally who seems to have recently joined up.  You know, they might be willing to talk with you because you were, and maybe still are, friends.  At the very least you shared a past

Shepard did not burst forth, fully formed, from the wreckage of the SR1

And yes, that was "burning a bridge".  That wasn't questioning Shepard's judgement, that was questioning Shepard's loyalty and honor.  They doubted his frakking integrity.   Some people take that kind of thing seriously.  In a way it's worse than the treatment received from the Council.  They were never Shep's friends and all they questoned was his sanity.

And I think your logic is flawed. You can say things should have happened differently, but they didn't, and we're stuck with what DID happen. So we can't just chalk it up to bad writing, we have to work with what we have. And what we have is a very confused VS who is justifiably appalled to see the once-trusted Shepard alive and with Cerberus, and that same Shepard spouting casual greetings and pro-Cerberus BS. So yeah, let's blame the VS for all the fail in this "badly written" situation. Couldn't be the player identifying too strongly with the player character, could it? No, never that.

While you're right we're stuck with it, it's still bad writing.  All we can hope is that ME3 will manage to be better.  Because what we have is an irrationally angry VS who's unwilling/unable to deal with Shepard and abandons his/her own investigation rather than ask the questions that can help save human lives.  Assisted by a mysteriously brain-damaged Shepard who can't seem to articulate what in fact he's doing there.

There are no winners only Horizon.  Only losers.  And the players lost most of all.

So why is the VS the one who's on trial here?

Because the name of the thread is "Restoring Trust with the VS"  not "Restoring Trust with Shepard"  or "Restoring Trust with Anderson";)

Believe it or not, all this time I've also been on another thread arguing that Ashley has not betrayed Shepard and the fences can be mended.

Modifié par iakus, 04 août 2011 - 09:41 .

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
Right. Because you're doing such a good job of letting reason rule over emotions. 

Aren't you the one who characterized your snippy brush-off as "the ultimate FU"? That tells me right there where you're coming from, sweetheart. And you can couch it whatever terms you wish, but it doesn't mask the fact that you're miffed and you're letting the VS know that. You're not being businesslike at all, you're just being cold and unapproachable. 

There's a vast difference between how I feel and how my Shepard feels sweet cheeks. And if emotion was ruling over reason my Shepard wouldn't be taking their input into any consideration at all. The VS is a soldier. Not being BFFs with their CO isn't gonna make them break down and tears and not be able to get the job done. If it does they shouldn't be a soldier. On the other hand I will fistpump because I can't stand the VS and my Shepard treating them like some random mook on the ship will makeme happy. 

That said cold and unapproachable works for some of my Sheps. Businesslike works for others. A mix of the two will work for the rest. 

Businesslike:

adjective (of a person) carrying out tasks efficiently without wasting time or being distracted by personal or other concerns; systematic and practical.

 including personal issues. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2011 - 09:54 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Siansonea II wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...

There is one thing about VS I can't accept..After all they done in ME1, it's look for me, like they too easy accepted fact, that Council and Alliance tried to hide the truth about the Reapers. They probably do nothing in Shepard defence while Council and Alliance destroyed Shepard's work ( and in this same time VS work), lied about attack on Citadel, tried to silence old Normandy crew etc. Im interesting why after this Kaidan/Ash are still so pro-Alliance.

Now THAT is a good point. How come the rest of you anti-VS folks didn't latch onto this? Why does the VS support the Council's and Alliance's stance on the Reapers?

I figured the VS is an idiot. They had no problem chewing out the person who saved the galaxy two years ago and saved their worthless lives four times that maybe you should give that person the benefit of the doubt. But they didn't so if they are that blind to not trust Shepard than I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the group that was utterly wrong in the first game.

Seems pretty in character that they trust the group that was dead wrong and distrust the person who saved all life in the galaxy.

[Siansonea]

rapscallioness wrote...

@Siansonea okay so we know you're ticked with Shepard and fully support the VS' actions and statements on Horizon.

As far as restoring the trust with VS do you think Shepard should apologize to VS for working with Cerberus? Or forget the whole thing? I've read thru most of the thread, perhaps I missed that part.

Well, let's use Ryzaki's setup as a starting point:

Shepard: Anyway we need to stop the Reapers. So Commander/Lieutenant do you have any ideas on that front?
VS: *gives good idea*
Shepard: Okay we'll go with that. Is there anything else? 
VS: Can we talk? 
Shepard: Is it related to the mission?
VS: No...not exactly-
Shepard: I've always got time for my crew, if you've got concerns, I'd like to hear them. 
VS: Well, it's about Horizon. I can't stop thinking about how badly that went.
Shepard: Well, I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. I understood your point of view, and you now know that there were circumstances you weren't aware of. Anderson really should have briefed you after I visited him on the Citadel, I had assumed he would. I guess that's why I wasn't exactly prepared to address your concerns then.
VS: Still, it just seems like you may have thought that I was being too hard on you, that I wasn't willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Shepard: I'm a big girl, Kaidan, if I can't take a few pointed questions from somebody I trust, then I don't deserve to wear this uniform. I don't expect you to just gloss over the fact that I was there with Cerberus, if the situation had been reversed, I'd want an explanation too. And for whatever reason my powers of diplomacy failed me that day, and I can admit that.
VS: So there's no hard feelings?
Shepard: Not on my end. Like I said, it was a misunderstanding, that's all. It's not like shots were fired. I'm not made of glass, Alenko, and I don't value yes-men under any circumstances. If you're concerned about my feelings toward you, you needn't.
VS: Thank you Shepard, that's a load off my mind.
Shepard: Alright then. You know my door is always open if you need to talk, but right now I've got to go over some stuff with Joker. In fact, why don't you come with, there's some questions you might be able to answer.

[Iakus]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...

There is one thing about VS I can't accept..After all they done in ME1, it's look for me, like they too easy accepted fact, that Council and Alliance tried to hide the truth about the Reapers. They probably do nothing in Shepard defence while Council and Alliance destroyed Shepard's work ( and in this same time VS work), lied about attack on Citadel, tried to silence old Normandy crew etc. Im interesting why after this Kaidan/Ash are still so pro-Alliance.

Now THAT is a good point. How come the rest of you anti-VS folks didn't latch onto this? Why does the VS support the Council's and Alliance's stance on the Reapers?

I figured the VS is an idiot. They had no problem chewing out the person who saved the galaxy two years ago and saved their worthless lives four times that maybe you should give that person the benefit of the doubt. But they didn't so if they are that blind to not trust Shepard than I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the group that was utterly wrong in the first game.

Seems pretty in character that they trust the group that was dead wrong and distrust the person who saved all life in the galaxy.

First, we never hear the VS's position on Reapers or the attack on the Citadel during the scene on Horizon.  The fact that they work for Anderson, who is still trying to protect Shepard's name should say something though.

Second, I figure there's a story behind what's been ging on with them for two years

Pity we never got to hear it.

Modifié par iakus, 04 août 2011 - 09:53 .

[rapscallioness]

@SianSonea: That's not bad. It's kind of boring, but I guess we'll have enuf explosions to take care of the boring part. Unfortunately, none of the explosions will be because of the great make up sex...

Modifié par rapscallioness, 04 août 2011 - 09:58 .

[Iakus]

Eh, I'd go for it if there were more actual questions on Horizon and fewer blanket accusations. Heck, even a "why are you with Cerberus?" would have been...better... As it is I'm left with the vague feeling that the VS was under orders not to make contact with Shep and picked a fight as an excuse to bug out.

[Siansonea]

iakus wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...


The same Councilor who "stonewalls" the VS. Funny how Anderson is getting off scott-free in all of this, when a simple heads-up from Anderson to the VS would avoided a ton of confusion on Horizon.

Would it?  Explain.

Mission Brief from Councilor Anderson to Commander Alenko

Commander, I wanted to give you some intel I've just discovered that's related to your investigation. I was visited on the Citadel by Commander Shepard. Yes, she's alive, at least it appears to be her and C-Sec's security scanners confirm it's her and not a clone. Those scanners can't pick up things like Indoctrination though. Which brings me to my next bit of intel. She's with Cerberus, or at least she's working with them in some capacity. She insists that the only reason that she's with them is because they're trying to stop the human colony abductions. This might be the "Cerberus involvement" that we've been getting reports about, I don't know. Shepard says that the Collectors are responsible, and the data packet she gave me has some compelling evidence that she gathered from Freedom's Progress. As you know, by the time we got there all we found was some destroyed mechs and traces of quarian blood. Turns out your former teammate Tali'Zorah was there with Shepard, you might want to give her a call and get her take on what happened there.

In any case, as you know we have reports that Horizon is one of the next colonies that will be hit. If Cerberus has the same intel we have, and if Shepard is on the level, then more than likely she will show up on Horizon at some point too. Hopefully she'll be able to explain Cerberus' role in all of this to you, I wasn't really able to get much out of her. She did ask about you though. For what it's worth, the Council has reinstated her Spectre status, so you might want to approach her from the standpoint of a Spectre rather than a Cerberus representative, I definitely got the sense that she was none too happy about Cerberus herself. Maybe she can help you get those guns online if she does show up on Horizon. I would have told her about you being on Horizon, but I can't trust Cerberus, and I think it's a good idea to see just how good Cerberus' intel is. So if she does show up on Horizon, let me know. Good luck.

Councilor Anderson

I mean, here's the VS, in front of the one person who can crack their investigation right open, the connection between the vanished colonies, the Collectors, and Cerberus, and they just walk away.   Not just walk away, but do a good job of burning the bridges behind them, in a singlualrly irrational outburst.

This is sheer genius. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before! Instead of doing surveillance on the Mafia, why don't we just stroll up to a Mafia operative and ask them all about the organization and their activities. That would SO work! 


And really, THAT was "burning a bridge"?  It doesn't take much with you folks, does it? All someone has to do is question your decision and disagree with you. I foresee lots of burned bridges in your futures if that's all it takes.

Or talking to someone you know personally who seems to have recently joined up.  You know, they might be willing to talk with you because you were, and maybe still are, friends.  At the very least you shared a past

Shepard did not burst forth, fully formed, from the wreckage of the SR1

And yes, that was "burning a bridge".  That wasn't questioning Shepard's judgement, that was questioning Shepard's loyalty and honor.  They doubted his frakking integrity.   Some people take that kind of thing seriously.  In a way it's worse than the treatment received from the Council.  They were never Shep's friends and all they questoned was his sanity.

You don't like down with dogs, and not expect to get fleas. You can't tout your "integrity" when you're tooling around the galaxy with a criminal enterprise's logo on your ship. That's just narcissistic to think everyone should think you're a paragon of honor even when you're working for a criminal organization. Concerned about your honor? Don't dishonor yourself, it's as simple as that.

And I think your logic is flawed. You can say things should have happened differently, but they didn't, and we're stuck with what DID happen. So we can't just chalk it up to bad writing, we have to work with what we have. And what we have is a very confused VS who is justifiably appalled to see the once-trusted Shepard alive and with Cerberus, and that same Shepard spouting casual greetings and pro-Cerberus BS. So yeah, let's blame the VS for all the fail in this "badly written" situation. Couldn't be the player identifying too strongly with the player character, could it? No, never that.

While you're right we're stuck with it, it's still bad writing.  All we can hope is that ME3 will manage to be better.  Because what we have is an irrationally angry VS who's unwilling/unable to deal with Shepard and abandons his/her own investigation rather than ask the questions that can help save human lives.  Assisted by a mysteriously brain-damaged Shepard who can't seem to articulate what in fact he's doing there.

There are no winners only Horizon.  Only losers.  And the players lost most of all.

So why is the VS the one who's on trial here?

Because the name of the thread is "Restoring Trust with the VS"  not "Restoring Trust with Shepard"  or "Restoring Trust with Anderson";)

Believe it or not, all this time I've also been on another thread arguing that Ashley has not betrayed Shepard and the fences can be mended.

Well, I think that "restoring trust with the VS" works both ways. Shepard has a lot of 'splainin' to do. The VS is being unjustly maligned for being "too emotional" and "not listening", when the fact of the matter is that their point of view is much more understandable than Shepard's. Shepard seems to expect everyone to just accept Cerberus as some innocuous benefactor, but that doesn't fly. Not with Cerberus' history. Not by a long shot. 

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Right. Because you're doing such a good job of letting reason rule over emotions. 

Aren't you the one who characterized your snippy brush-off as "the ultimate FU"? That tells me right there where you're coming from, sweetheart. And you can couch it whatever terms you wish, but it doesn't mask the fact that you're miffed and you're letting the VS know that. You're not being businesslike at all, you're just being cold and unapproachable. 

There's a vast difference between how I feel and how my Shepard feels sweet cheeks. And if emotion was ruling over reason my Shepard wouldn't be taking their input into any consideration at all. The VS is a soldier. Not being BFFs with their CO isn't gonna make them break down and tears and not be able to get the job done. If it does they shouldn't be a soldier. On the other hand I will fistpump because I can't stand the VS and my Shepard treating them like some random mook on the ship will makeme happy. 

That said cold and unapproachable works for some of my Sheps. Businesslike works for others. A mix of the two will work for the rest. 

Businesslike:

adjective (of a person) carrying out tasks efficiently without wasting time or being distracted by personal or other concerns; systematic and practical.

 including personal issues. 

So we're back to condescending dictionary definitions? Super!

So your Shepard is being businesslike by dismissing her subordinate when he/she asks to talk "because it's not directly related to the mission"? For all Shepard knows, that subordinate is asking for time off, or has a medical condition they need to discuss with her privately, or any number of other things. But because she's got her nose out of joint because the subordinate DARED to talk back to her, she gives them the cold shoulder. That's poor leadership, by my "definition".

[Abispa]

According to the game, only HALF of Horizon was abducted. I'm ASSUMING that most of the others were encased in cocoons. The Normandy NEVER chases after the Collector Ship and there weren't any immediate missions that Shepard had to fulfill.

Ashley/Kaidan refuses to go with Shepard to join his/her cast of fawning groupies sponsored by a terrorist organization with a history of biological experiments and mind control. Shepard whines/grumbles/snaps that s/he wants to leave that damn planet, taking an Alliance medic with decades of experience and a gifted Salarian doctor and exobiologist with him/her.

Ashley/Kaidan apparently had to revive the surviving colonists either on her/his own or with the help of the paranoid mechanic from the Michigan Militia.

I submit that Shepard is a deserter and a coward.

[Siansonea]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...

There is one thing about VS I can't accept..After all they done in ME1, it's look for me, like they too easy accepted fact, that Council and Alliance tried to hide the truth about the Reapers. They probably do nothing in Shepard defence while Council and Alliance destroyed Shepard's work ( and in this same time VS work), lied about attack on Citadel, tried to silence old Normandy crew etc. Im interesting why after this Kaidan/Ash are still so pro-Alliance.

Now THAT is a good point. How come the rest of you anti-VS folks didn't latch onto this? Why does the VS support the Council's and Alliance's stance on the Reapers?

I figured the VS is an idiot. They had no problem chewing out the person who saved the galaxy two years ago and saved their worthless lives four times that maybe you should give that person the benefit of the doubt. But they didn't so if they are that blind to not trust Shepard than I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the group that was utterly wrong in the first game.

Seems pretty in character that they trust the group that was dead wrong and distrust the person who saved all life in the galaxy.

Ah yes, "the benefit of the doubt". What benefit might that be, exactly? And what doubt? What doubt is present when a once-trusted Spectre shows up with a group of murderers and human supremacists? What latitude should be extended toward such a person that was not? Again, everyone is completely downplaying how the situation looks. It's Cerberus, not the Sirta Foundation. But because "it's Shepard" everyone is supposed to turn off their brains and just go along with whatever she says. Even when she shows up with Cerberus. Freakin' CERBERUS.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 04 août 2011 - 10:18 .

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
So we're back to condescending dictionary definitions? Super!

So your Shepard is being businesslike by dismissing her subordinate when he/she asks to talk "because it's not directly related to the mission"? For all Shepard knows, that subordinate is asking for time off, or has a medical condition they need to discuss with her privately, or any number of other things. But because she's got her nose out of joint because the subordinate DARED to talk back to her, she gives them the cold shoulder. That's poor leadership, by my "definition".

Time off would be related to the mission sweet cheeks. Since they wouldn't be there for it. :innocent: Medical condition affects preformance and that too if it needs treatment would directly affect the mission. It's why renegade Shepard practically jumps down Thane's throat about his condition. 

And he doesn't mind being a poor leader to the VS. They showed what they thought of him already. I shouldn't *have* to say it but obviously my view is only something I want as an option not forced on all players. If you want to be buddy buddy by all means. Enjoy yourself. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2011 - 10:24 .

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

According to the game, only HALF of Horizon was abducted. I'm ASSUMING that most of the others were encased in cocoons. The Normandy NEVER chases after the Collector Ship and there weren't any immediate missions that Shepard had to fulfill.

Ashley/Kaidan refuses to go with Shepard to join his/her cast of fawning groupies sponsored by a terrorist organization with a history of biological experiments and mind control. Shepard whines/grumbles/snaps that s/he wants to leave that damn planet, taking an Alliance medic with decades of experience and a gifted Salarian doctor and exobiologist with him/her.

Ashley/Kaidan apparently had to revive the surviving colonists either on her/his own or with the help of the paranoid mechanic from the Michigan Militia.

I submit that Shepard is a deserter and a coward.

Right. Because TIM was totally going to leave all those samples alone. Any Shepard with half a brain will figure that Cerberus is going down there regardless and will help the survivors. For good PR (See Cerberus cares about humanity! We're the ones who saved you!) and Collector samples while studying and asking the victims how the stasis affected them (as well as studying the pods) if nothing else. Especially considering some of said people can't stand the alliance and think it's their fault the Collectors were there in the first place. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2011 - 10:23 .

[The Elder King]

Abispa wrote...

According to the game, only HALF of Horizon was abducted. I'm ASSUMING that most of the others were encased in cocoons. The Normandy NEVER chases after the Collector Ship and there weren't any immediate missions that Shepard had to fulfill.

Ashley/Kaidan refuses to go with Shepard to join his/her cast of fawning groupies sponsored by a terrorist organization with a history of biological experiments and mind control. Shepard whines/grumbles/snaps that s/he wants to leave that damn planet, taking an Alliance medic with decades of experience and a gifted Salarian doctor and exobiologist with him/her.

Ashley/Kaidan apparently had to revive the surviving colonists either on her/his own or with the help of the paranoid mechanic from the Michigan Militia.

I submit that Shepard is a deserter and a coward.

You have to like the game so much to play a deserter and a coward.

[Siansonea]

rapscallioness wrote...

@SianSonea: That's not bad. It's kind of boring, but I guess we'll have enuf explosions to take care of the boring part. Unfortunately, none of the explosions will be because of the great make up sex...

I was approaching it from a non-LI VS. An LI VS would be a totally different conversation.

[Abispa]

hhh89 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

According to the game, only HALF of Horizon was abducted. I'm ASSUMING that most of the others were encased in cocoons. The Normandy NEVER chases after the Collector Ship and there weren't any immediate missions that Shepard had to fulfill.

Ashley/Kaidan refuses to go with Shepard to join his/her cast of fawning groupies sponsored by a terrorist organization with a history of biological experiments and mind control. Shepard whines/grumbles/snaps that s/he wants to leave that damn planet, taking an Alliance medic with decades of experience and a gifted Salarian doctor and exobiologist with him/her.

Ashley/Kaidan apparently had to revive the surviving colonists either on her/his own or with the help of the paranoid mechanic from the Michigan Militia.

I submit that Shepard is a deserter and a coward.

You have to like the game so much to play a deserter and a coward.

You're damn right! I want the option to run like hell AWAY from gunfire while yelling like Goofy in those old Disney cartoons! Urine stain on the armor optional.

Modifié par Abispa, 04 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
So we're back to condescending dictionary definitions? Super!

So your Shepard is being businesslike by dismissing her subordinate when he/she asks to talk "because it's not directly related to the mission"? For all Shepard knows, that subordinate is asking for time off, or has a medical condition they need to discuss with her privately, or any number of other things. But because she's got her nose out of joint because the subordinate DARED to talk back to her, she gives them the cold shoulder. That's poor leadership, by my "definition".

Time off would be related to the mission sweet cheeks. Since they wouldn't be there for it. :innocent: Medical condition affects preformance and that too if it needs treatment would directly affect the mission. 

And he doesn't mind being a poor leader to the VS. They showed what they thought of him already. I shouldn't *have* to say it but obviously my view is only something I want as an option not forced on all players. If you want to be buddy buddy by all means. Enjoy yourself. 

Well, I certainly will, Sugar Brains. You enjoy yourself too, now, ya hear? 

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
Well, I certainly will, Sugar Brains. You enjoy yourself too, now, ya hear? 

Oh don't worry I will. 

Only thing that'll make it even better is if exposing the alliance's dirty secrets caused the VS to turn on Shepard so that Shep could cut him/her down.

But I'm bored so here goes. 

Shepard: Huh...this research...all of it's illegal AI reserach. Exposing this to the council...
VS: Would severely undermine the alliance! You can't expose that Shepard! You'd be betraying the alliance!
Shepard: *laughs* I thought I did that already working with Cerberus? *starts uploading information*
VS: Stop Shepard! If you don't-
Shepard: ...well?
VS & Shepard: *takes out weapons and starts pointing them out one another*
VS: Stop that upload now Shepard or I'll shoot- 
*gunshot blast. VS falls to the ground another crew member (one of the renegade aligned ones) walks over to them and shoots them several times in the head*
Shepard: *choice between* What the hell! *or* Nice job.
RCM: *if choice one is chosen* S/he was threatening you Commander. I wasn't going to let that stand. *if choice 2 is taken* *RCM just nods* 

Awesome boss battle wouldn't be amiss though. I'd prefer one on one though. Spectre vs Spectre. There can only be one.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[The Elder King]

By the way, I don't think that VS did something wrong on Horizon, from what they knew. They saw they former "dead" commander working with an enemy. This could be a big shock. It's true though that Tali didn't react that bad, and she hates Cerberus. But people reacts in different way.
Not that I agree with those who said that Cerberus is a traitor. Neither the Alliance or the Council wanted to stop the humans abductions. As much as I don't like Cerberus, they were the only group with resources that wanted to stop the Collectors. After the meeting with the Council my Shepard is again a Spectre, so he didn't owe no explanation to the Alliance. And frankly, the Alliance threw so much s@@t to Shepard after his death. That very Shepard is quite pissed with the Alliance.
Neither Shepard neither the VS did something wrong on Horizon in my opinion. The scene was poorly written, but there will be no problem for my Shepard to work with them.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Well, I certainly will, Sugar Brains. You enjoy yourself too, now, ya hear? 

Oh don't worry I will. 

Only thing that'll make it even better is if exposing the alliance's dirty secrets caused the VS to turn on Shepard so that Shep could cut him/her down.

Baby Doll Sweetheart Face, if the Alliance is embroiled in corrupt activities, I'm pretty sure the VS would not overlook that. They're Alliance soldiers, not robots. They'll buck the Alliance if the Alliance is doing something unethical, and once they actually know what's going on, Shepard's time with Cerberus will make a lot more sense to them.

[The Elder King]

Could you two just wait 5 minutes? I'm going to make some popcorn. This is better than a film.

[Abispa]

So, Ryzaki and Siansonea II, you two have reached the stage in your discussion where you war over who has the last word. Just how many pages do you to want to add to this thread before ye feel the wrath of Woo?