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[Bluko]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Haha Shepard definitely has some slow moments.

"Hey guise I have an idea lets go to the middle of the collector ship and plug it into our ship's computer"

"Illusive man says I have no choice but to work for his hilariously evil terrorist organization? I guess that means I have to work for Cerberus now"

"Reporter giving me sh*t? Punch her out on galactic TV. That will solve the problem."

"Krogan giving me sh*t? IT'S MOTHERF*CKING HEADBUTT TIME. Doin' diplomacy the Shepard way."

I mean, he/she kind of herps and derps his/her way through the galaxy. But hey, can't argue with the results.

I'm not holding my breath.

ME3 Trailer
Anon:"We need a plan to stop them!"
Shepard:"We fight! Dats da plan! Geez you stoopid or sumthing?"
Anon:"..."

And there was ME1 as well...
Shepard:"Well da First Contact War and Genopage seem pretty much the same to me."
Wrex:"Shepard... read your damn codex or I'll kill you next time."

And ME2...
Jacob:"You've been out for two years dawg."
Shepard:"Dang."
Later on shuttle...
Shepard:"Wait... I've been dead for two years?

[leggywillow]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

"Krogan giving me sh*t? IT'S MOTHERF*CKING HEADBUTT TIME. Doin' diplomacy the Shepard way."

I mean, he/she kind of herps and derps his/her way through the galaxy. But hey, can't argue with the results.

I'm not arguing that Shepard doesn't have some extreme derp moments, but to be fair this last one isn't really a derp.  Well... I guess it may not have been the healthiest decision to make, because I'm sure it hurt Shep a lot more than it hurts a krogan.  However, the krogan don't have a tradition of peaceful diplomacy.  They respect strength and action.  A few minutes earlier, Wrex responded to Uvenk getting mouthy in the same way.  Shepard responded to the krogan in a culturally appropriate way, so I thought it was a pretty smart move.  Also awesome and hilarious.

And so I'm not off-topic:

My Shepards still trust the VS.  They understand why Ash/Kaidan reacted the way they did on the Horizon.  It will take some time and discussion to fully repair their personal relationship, and some of my Shepards will never be entirely comfortable around them again (my less rational Shepards, I might add).  But do they trust the VS to have their back in a fight and to have the best interests of the galaxy at heart?  Yes, they do.

[MasterShepardN7]

Yeah I can't wait to see if and or how the VS Spectre status will have an influence on Shepard or just in the game as well. That and the VS will probably be new to the whole Spectre game so that might be an issue as well.

[mineralica]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Okay, a lot of people are still pretty sore about the Horizon incident and say they will let the VS remain on the ship instead of taking them on missions. The main reasons for this is that they feel they can no longer trust Kaidan/Ashley after the argument on Horizon.

To fix this, I'd like to see Ashley/Kaidan show that they ARE still loyal to Shepard, and that they're willing to follow him/her into hell if necessary. This doesn't mean that they become afraid to voice counter opinions to Shepard, I don't want their attitude changed, but I would like to see just one bit where they defy illogical orders from the Council or Alliance in order to do what's right with Shepard.

I use the example that people seem to like, that with Ashley/Kaidan's new spectre status, they will challenge Shepard's leadership on the Normandy.

For Ashley:

Ambassador Udina (over holo-imager): Shepard, you need to get the Normandy to the Citadel to help the fleet.
Shepard: We can't hold on to the Citadel, we need to evacuate and fortify a holdable position. Get the fleet out of there.
Udina: I'm giving you an order Shepard.
Shepard: I'm sorry sir, I can't follow that order. I'll bring help as fast as I can, but I won't ride in alone. Goodbye.
Udina: Shepard, don't you...(is cut off)
Ashley: Commander, as an official Council Spectre, I must formally protest your illegal seizure of Alliance property and mutiny against a direct order.
Shepard: Duly noted.
Ashley: Good. Now that that's over with, what's the plan?

For Kaidan (particularly after the arguments about him pulling rank on Shepard)"

Kaidan: Hmm, my orders are to keep you under close surveillance and take the Normandy to Arcturus.
Shepard: Really?
Vega: Sorry ma'am, but Commander Alenko has to follow orders just like the rest of us.
Shepard: Yeah, I gues you're....
Kaidan: But, in all the confusion, it seems I've misplaced my omni-tool, so I can't access those orders. I guess I'll have to act on my own initiative and follow the recommendations given to me by my former commander.
Vega: Ah...boss? What about your orders?
Kaidan: What orders Lieutenant?
Vega: The orders you........what orders? I haven't heard any orders. Guess we'll just have to go with Shepard's recommendation.

Very well written. Thank you!

[Made Nightwing]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...
@ISpeakTheTruth, good points. Post the dialogue you'd like to see in either situation, the rough wording you'd like to take place.

Hmm... Ok let me give this a shot.

*The scene should be just between Shepard and the VS they show up at either Shepard's room or come in on him when he's in the communications room*

VS: I'm sorry for coming in like this but I... I'm sorry.
Shepard: What's wrong?
VS: Me. I was wrong, I was wrong for what I said on Horizon you were - are my commander. I was just so shocked that you were alive and working with Cerberus that I... I didn't think 
(Shepard remains silent.)
VS: I know who you are, I know everything thing you've done and everything you're going to do has always been for the right reasons. I should have never doubted that you would do anything differently. You've saved my life, hell you've already saved the galaxy once and your going to try and do it all over again and I said those things to you. I was wrong to not believe in you... I promise I will never make that mistake again.
*Shepard takes a short pause before giving a small smile*
Shepard: Apology accepted.

My Shepard is a paragon so that's what he'd say... A renegade might just say go to hell and burn lol

Okay, damn good work. Some people don't want a flat out apology, but that kind of scenario works for me. Particularly if Shepard's Ultra Paragon and the VS didn't have as much reason to tear into them as they would to a super pro-human Renegade Shep.

[Dexi]

My Shepards:
Ashley: Commander... I was sorry, I want to...
Shepard: Yeah, yeah... Pants off! Now.
Ashley: Urr...
Shepard: Liara! Come in for a second, please!

or...

KaidEn: Commander, I'm sorry, I should've trusted you.
Shepard: You trust me now?
Kaiden: With all my heart, sir!
Shepard: Ok, Kaidan... Tali said that behind the Airlock door there's a new Assault Rifle weapon she created and placed there to err... test. Go fetch it for me, please
Kaiden: Sir, you sure...?
Shepard: WELL YOU TURST ME OR NAW?
*Kaidan opens airlock, gets vented into outer space...*
Shepard: Hey guys, drinks on me!

[Made Nightwing]

Dexi wrote...

My Shepards:
Ashley: Commander... I was sorry, I want to...
Shepard: Yeah, yeah... Pants off! Now.
Ashley: Urr...
Shepard: Liara! Come in for a second, please!

or...

KaidEn: Commander, I'm sorry, I should've trusted you.
Shepard: You trust me now?
Kaiden: With all my heart, sir!
Shepard: Ok, Kaidan... Tali said that behind the Airlock door there's a new Assault Rifle weapon she created and placed there to err... test. Go fetch it for me, please
Kaiden: Sir, you sure...?
Shepard: WELL YOU TURST ME OR NAW?
*Kaidan opens airlock, gets vented into outer space...*
Shepard: Hey guys, drinks on me!

There are threads for how much you dislike and wish to airlock the VS, please do not spam here.

[Fraevar]

leggywillow wrote...
My Shepards still trust the VS.  They understand why Ash/Kaidan reacted the way they did on the Horizon.  It will take some time and discussion to fully repair their personal relationship, and some of my Shepards will never be entirely comfortable around them again (my less rational Shepards, I might add).  But do they trust the VS to have their back in a fight and to have the best interests of the galaxy at heart?  Yes, they do.

I agree, there needs to be some trust rebuilding and conflict resolution here. And it needs to be more than basically having the VS fold over because Shepard's the PC. Horizon's DERP moments had just as much to do with the horrible lack of emotion in Shepard's writing as it had to do with the writing for the VS.

[LordNige]

I think the fact that Shep no longer works for Cerberus and the Reapers are invading would be enough to motivate the VS to bury the hatchet.

[Casterdael]

I thought it strange that the VS was incapacitated at the beginning of Horizon, yet managed to escape unscathed to meet you later, but perhaps I missed something on that.

I also wonder about that. There isn't any clue how the VS managed Horizon after being paralyzed by the swarm.

[hotdogbsg]

Casterdael wrote...

I thought it strange that the VS was incapacitated at the beginning of Horizon, yet managed to escape unscathed to meet you later, but perhaps I missed something on that.

I also wonder about that. There isn't any clue how the VS managed Horizon after being paralyzed by the swarm.

I always assumed the swarm left when the collector ship did and unparalyzed any survivors.

OR

VS is a Reaper plant, already under their control.

Modifié par hotdogbsg, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:16 .

[Candidate 88766]

You should have to earn their trust again, not have it handed to you on a platter. Not only did you work with Cerberus, but you also killed 300,000 people - potentially making you a war criminal. It'll make their characters more interesting too - initially they're torn between the trust they had of their old commander but the mistrust they have of this person who has been brought back from the dead and is nothing like the person they remember, at least in their eyes.

Earning their trust will make it feel so much more meaningful for the fans who want it, wouldn't it?

[crimzontearz]

I really wonder what compels people to overlook the fact that by horizon Shepard can be very well backed up by the council, Anderson himself (who pretty much tells the alliance to get off your back) and hackett (who does the same thing) and to take the whole cerberus situation out this context

[Candidate 88766]

crimzontearz wrote...

I really wonder what compels people to overlook the fact that by horizon Shepard can be very well backed up by the council, Anderson himself (who pretty much tells the alliance to get off your back) and hackett (who does the same thing) and to take the whole cerberus situation out this context

The Council is suspicious of Shepard. Anderson won't even tell Shepard what the VS is doing. If the VS asked Anderson or the Council about Shepard they wouldn't get an answer that'd lead them to trust Shepard.

[Legbiter]

Eh, who cares about Shepard's personal drama from way back. There's the small niggling detail of hundreds of Reapers SLAUGHTERING ALL OF MANKIND to clear up first. If Ashley's good to go and passes the boner test, eh, she and Shepard can probably work something out.

[Dr. Nexas]

Ash/Kaiden: I told you so about Cerberus.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

They help rescue Shepard off earth. I'm not gonna hold one hissy fit against them.

[maddenking2010]

I dont know why people are so upset with VS. I mean you are working with a terrorist organiztion, it looks pretty bad to anyone

[Candidate 88766]

maddenking2010 wrote...

I dont know why people are so upset with VS. I mean you are working with a terrorist organiztion, it looks pretty bad to anyone

Exactly. Regardless of how justifiable the player thinks Cerberus' actions are, Cerberus is branded a terrorist organisation by the Council and the Alliance, to which the VS reports to. In their eyes, and in the eys of their superiors, you are working with terrorists.

[mulder1199]

i wouldn't mind being able to keep the VS out of my early dealings, or putting them in their place on my ship...after all they were very accusatory of you on Horizon, they admit they are investigating you, and basically turning you into the alliance as a traitor....

so they go back and report to udina or the council how it went....the council then says, "you need to smooth this over, if we ever get the chance you can get close to shep again and report on his dealings"

so they send the email.....you have to be a little suspcious of them, though it's not hard to see their VS stance....you as shep, know you were doing the right thing...

[mulder1199]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

maddenking2010 wrote...

I dont know why people are so upset with VS. I mean you are working with a terrorist organiztion, it looks pretty bad to anyone

Exactly. Regardless of how justifiable the player thinks Cerberus' actions are, Cerberus is branded a terrorist organisation by the Council and the Alliance, to which the VS reports to. In their eyes, and in the eys of their superiors, you are working with terrorists.

that's one of the good things about your dialogue choices, you can make it clear to everybody that you aren't 'with' cerberus...

[sighineedname]

crimzontearz wrote...

I really wonder what compels people to overlook the fact that by horizon Shepard can be very well backed up by the council, Anderson himself (who pretty much tells the alliance to get off your back) and hackett (who does the same thing) and to take the whole cerberus situation out this context

The council says basically, you saved our lives, so... I guess as long as you stay the hell out of council space, we won't do anything. Oh, and they say you have comitted a capital crime. Mega trust. (Note, this is the best case, the human council options all have worse results)

Prior to Horizon, Anderson says he's happy to see you, but he can't tell you anything because you are working with Cerberus. Huge amounts of trust there, too.

Hackett largely comes to you on a personal basis (normandy crash site). I get the impression he wasn't willing, or able, to come to you as the Alliance. The closest he comes to that is the end of Arrival, which is post Horizon.

I see no reason the VS shouldn't wonder what the hell is going on. Shepard's speech choices were weak as hell, call it bad writing or plot or whatever, but that IS what he said. He come off as an idiot.