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Restoring Trust with the VS
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#126
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 02:31
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#127
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 02:48
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Judging from the demo we saw of Shepard escaping Earth (which, could change mind you) it would appear that the VS rescues you. I don't really know how much more loyal they can be. They had all the right in the galaxy to not trust Shepard on Horizon, then come to the conclusion (later) that Shepard and Cerberus are not behind the abductions and are in fact trying to stop them. Then they end up saving Shepards life. Sort of fitting when you look at it like Shepard saving the VS on Horizon, the VS then saves Shepard on Earth.
The problem with saying that Shepard saved hundreds or even thousands of lives on Horizon is that the player knows it, but what does the VS know? They know that colonies are disappearing, and they suspect Cerberus. The collectors show up and take half the colony, only to be beaten back. It turns out to be Shepard and Cerberus. Well.. what's to say that Cerberus is not working in league with the collector? (from the POV of the VS). This could all be a play by Cerberus to build trust against the alliance.
In the terminus systems the Alliance is not welcome. In Alliance space, Cerberus is not welcome. Cerberus could merely be trying to turn the terminus against the Alliance. I'm glad the VS did not just assume "oh shepard, you're back let's make it like old times again". Hell, even Tali did not trust Shepard at first and asked him to prove it was really him. And she had issues with him being with Cerberus. The only difference is that it wasn't a Quarian colony that got hit. Her team was merely after Veetor.
I'd still like to know what the VS was doing on Horizon and what top secret work they've been running down since Shep's disappearance. That information can shed a lot of light on the situation. Perhaps the alliance found another beacon and they've been looking at how to possible get another cipher made. But now that Shepard is back, perhaps they'll take him to the beacon to decipher it.
<shrug>
The problem with saying that Shepard saved hundreds or even thousands of lives on Horizon is that the player knows it, but what does the VS know? They know that colonies are disappearing, and they suspect Cerberus. The collectors show up and take half the colony, only to be beaten back. It turns out to be Shepard and Cerberus. Well.. what's to say that Cerberus is not working in league with the collector? (from the POV of the VS). This could all be a play by Cerberus to build trust against the alliance.
In the terminus systems the Alliance is not welcome. In Alliance space, Cerberus is not welcome. Cerberus could merely be trying to turn the terminus against the Alliance. I'm glad the VS did not just assume "oh shepard, you're back let's make it like old times again". Hell, even Tali did not trust Shepard at first and asked him to prove it was really him. And she had issues with him being with Cerberus. The only difference is that it wasn't a Quarian colony that got hit. Her team was merely after Veetor.
I'd still like to know what the VS was doing on Horizon and what top secret work they've been running down since Shep's disappearance. That information can shed a lot of light on the situation. Perhaps the alliance found another beacon and they've been looking at how to possible get another cipher made. But now that Shepard is back, perhaps they'll take him to the beacon to decipher it.
<shrug>
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 02:52
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elektrego wrote...
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and basically turning you into the alliance as a traitor....
Again, the word traitor only falls in a first emotional reaction - things like that happen to human beings. The actual Horizon report confirms Shepard's version of the story, a report most likely written by the VS, saying that Shepard is in fact not a traitor, but working against the Collectors.
Why are people unable to pick up those nuances and distiguish between the emotional response and the actual opinion of the VS?
The Alliance and Anderson, despite wanting to trust Shepard still had some doubts about his dealings with Cerberus. The VS helped to eradicate those doubts.
you took one sentance, and put it back up....why can't some people read the whole thought, and see that it's a scenario that shep could easily come to that conclusion...
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 02:55
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Memmahkth wrote...
Judging from the demo we saw of Shepard escaping Earth (which, could change mind you) it would appear that the VS rescues you. I don't really know how much more loyal they can be. They had all the right in the galaxy to not trust Shepard on Horizon, then come to the conclusion (later) that Shepard and Cerberus are not behind the abductions and are in fact trying to stop them. Then they end up saving Shepards life. Sort of fitting when you look at it like Shepard saving the VS on Horizon, the VS then saves Shepard on Earth.
The problem with saying that Shepard saved hundreds or even thousands of lives on Horizon is that the player knows it, but what does the VS know? They know that colonies are disappearing, and they suspect Cerberus. The collectors show up and take half the colony, only to be beaten back. It turns out to be Shepard and Cerberus. Well.. what's to say that Cerberus is not working in league with the collector? (from the POV of the VS). This could all be a play by Cerberus to build trust against the alliance.
In the terminus systems the Alliance is not welcome. In Alliance space, Cerberus is not welcome. Cerberus could merely be trying to turn the terminus against the Alliance. I'm glad the VS did not just assume "oh shepard, you're back let's make it like old times again". Hell, even Tali did not trust Shepard at first and asked him to prove it was really him. And she had issues with him being with Cerberus. The only difference is that it wasn't a Quarian colony that got hit. Her team was merely after Veetor.
I'd still like to know what the VS was doing on Horizon and what top secret work they've been running down since Shep's disappearance. That information can shed a lot of light on the situation. Perhaps the alliance found another beacon and they've been looking at how to possible get another cipher made. But now that Shepard is back, perhaps they'll take him to the beacon to decipher it.
<shrug>
exactly, like a post i put, not out of the question that shep has doubts, as well as the VS...not hard to see that there could be some tension there....also....the VS responded to anderson's distress call, it seemed to me, we may get to clear the air right after they pick them up (assuming the VS doesn't know shep is with anderson)
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mulder1199 wrote...
elektrego wrote...
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and basically turning you into the alliance as a traitor....
Again, the word traitor only falls in a first emotional reaction - things like that happen to human beings. The actual Horizon report confirms Shepard's version of the story, a report most likely written by the VS, saying that Shepard is in fact not a traitor, but working against the Collectors.
Why are people unable to pick up those nuances and distiguish between the emotional response and the actual opinion of the VS?
The Alliance and Anderson, despite wanting to trust Shepard still had some doubts about his dealings with Cerberus. The VS helped to eradicate those doubts.
you took one sentance, and put it back up....why can't some people read the whole thought, and see that it's a scenario that shep could easily come to that conclusion...
exactly, that is what you are doing with the VS - I just wanted to show you!
edit: I am not saying, that Shepard is wrong in doing, what he is doing. I am just tired of people bashing the VS for Horizon without looking at the whole picture and quite frankly, the line I quoted from your post was the only line worth quoting, because the use of the word traitor is the only thing that can be backed up by the game, the rest of your post is an assumption - "you need to smooth this over, if we ever get the chance you can get close to shep again and report on his dealings" (where is this in the game? - or rather incoherent (edit2: though I get now what you meant - you were referring to the eMail you get, when you romcanced them)
so they send the email.....you have to be a little suspcious of them,
though it's not hard to see their VS stance....you as shep, know you
were doing the right thing...
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 03:06
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noted, btw....i share your belief that after the events of ME2, there wouldn't be the animosity (i guess depending on how the situation with horizon and the suicide mission play out) i was just adding to the thread that i think this would be a neat dynamic...elektrego wrote...
mulder1199 wrote...
elektrego wrote...
mulder1199 wrote...
and basically turning you into the alliance as a traitor....
Again, the word traitor only falls in a first emotional reaction - things like that happen to human beings. The actual Horizon report confirms Shepard's version of the story, a report most likely written by the VS, saying that Shepard is in fact not a traitor, but working against the Collectors.
Why are people unable to pick up those nuances and distiguish between the emotional response and the actual opinion of the VS?
The Alliance and Anderson, despite wanting to trust Shepard still had some doubts about his dealings with Cerberus. The VS helped to eradicate those doubts.
you took one sentance, and put it back up....why can't some people read the whole thought, and see that it's a scenario that shep could easily come to that conclusion...
exactly, that is what you are doing with the VS - I just wanted to show you!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 03:12
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mulder1199 wrote...
noted, btw....i share your belief that after the events of ME2, there wouldn't be the animosity (i guess depending on how the situation with horizon and the suicide mission play out) i was just adding to the thread that i think this would be a neat dynamic...elektrego wrote...
mulder1199 wrote...
elektrego wrote...
mulder1199 wrote...
and basically turning you into the alliance as a traitor....
Again, the word traitor only falls in a first emotional reaction - things like that happen to human beings. The actual Horizon report confirms Shepard's version of the story, a report most likely written by the VS, saying that Shepard is in fact not a traitor, but working against the Collectors.
Why are people unable to pick up those nuances and distiguish between the emotional response and the actual opinion of the VS?
The Alliance and Anderson, despite wanting to trust Shepard still had some doubts about his dealings with Cerberus. The VS helped to eradicate those doubts.
you took one sentance, and put it back up....why can't some people read the whole thought, and see that it's a scenario that shep could easily come to that conclusion...
exactly, that is what you are doing with the VS - I just wanted to show you!
See the edit in my post above. The line I quoted was the only one obviously wrong - they never turned you in as a traitor- and the only one that I wanted to set straight.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 03:56
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wtf?
ok first off, The investigation was into cerberus NOT shepard. Anderson trusts shepard and even calls him a HERO.....but not cerberus. That is understandable. That is why Anderson goes out of his way to tell the alliance to back off same for Hackett. If the council was that suspicious of shepard they would not have him re-instated and they would have seized the normandy with 3 votes to 1.....but they do not.
Again because they trust Shepard to do the right thing. Aside for Wrex and Liara who have their own fishes to fry (and liara only gets a pass after LOTSB where she becomes indirect part of shepard's team) everyone else understood the situation and pretty much said "ok, I get it, you need the resources but you are not working for them, I trust you to do the right thing. I'm coming with you".... but not Ash (or Kaiden)
so, yeah.....I'm not gonna let it fly, I am not about to go out of my way to try and understand their little tantrum. It's going to be very simple, Either they own up to their own stupidity and keep their mouths shut from that point on about my moral compass/decisions or they can just sit on the normandy and play skillian 5 with ken and gabby
ok first off, The investigation was into cerberus NOT shepard. Anderson trusts shepard and even calls him a HERO.....but not cerberus. That is understandable. That is why Anderson goes out of his way to tell the alliance to back off same for Hackett. If the council was that suspicious of shepard they would not have him re-instated and they would have seized the normandy with 3 votes to 1.....but they do not.
Again because they trust Shepard to do the right thing. Aside for Wrex and Liara who have their own fishes to fry (and liara only gets a pass after LOTSB where she becomes indirect part of shepard's team) everyone else understood the situation and pretty much said "ok, I get it, you need the resources but you are not working for them, I trust you to do the right thing. I'm coming with you".... but not Ash (or Kaiden)
so, yeah.....I'm not gonna let it fly, I am not about to go out of my way to try and understand their little tantrum. It's going to be very simple, Either they own up to their own stupidity and keep their mouths shut from that point on about my moral compass/decisions or they can just sit on the normandy and play skillian 5 with ken and gabby
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:24
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This is quite funny, because you are doing, what you accuse them of- thowing a tantrum and make a decision on how you are going to handle them based on emotions.
I backed my statement up with quotes from the game, 'real' facts.
Anderson calls Shepard a hero - the Shepard he knew - and rightfully so, that doesn't mean, he is suspicious of his current actions, because the circumstances are quite extraordinary, they are not sure, if that is indeed the Shepard they knew. They are investigating Cerberus, but since the rumors are, that Shepard is with Cerberus now, it includes him.
"We didn't know about you at the time and I wouldn't have told you, if I did!
What if The Illusive Man was manipulating you, lying to you."
That doesn't sound like complete trust to me.
You can do whatever you want in your game and keep ignoring the facts, but that doesn't make you right.
The End.
I backed my statement up with quotes from the game, 'real' facts.
Anderson calls Shepard a hero - the Shepard he knew - and rightfully so, that doesn't mean, he is suspicious of his current actions, because the circumstances are quite extraordinary, they are not sure, if that is indeed the Shepard they knew. They are investigating Cerberus, but since the rumors are, that Shepard is with Cerberus now, it includes him.
"We didn't know about you at the time and I wouldn't have told you, if I did!
What if The Illusive Man was manipulating you, lying to you."
That doesn't sound like complete trust to me.
You can do whatever you want in your game and keep ignoring the facts, but that doesn't make you right.
The End.
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#135
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:32
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Ugh Anderson is another of my Shep's facepalm situations.
The council oddly enough ends up looking the best in that situation. They don't trust Shepard as far as they can throw him but they never did. So it's at least nothing new.
The council oddly enough ends up looking the best in that situation. They don't trust Shepard as far as they can throw him but they never did. So it's at least nothing new.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:35
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"let the VS remain on the ship instead of taking them on missions. The main reasons for this is that they feel they can no longer trust Kaidan/Ashley after the argument on Horizon."
VIDEO GAME. There will be some sort of make-up or trust building between SHEPARD and the VS throughout the game...but people are really serious of not using them because they "hurt their feelings."
I don't even....
VIDEO GAME. There will be some sort of make-up or trust building between SHEPARD and the VS throughout the game...but people are really serious of not using them because they "hurt their feelings."
I don't even....
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:45
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elektrego wrote...
This is quite funny, because you are doing, what you accuse them off- thowing a tantrum and make a decision on how you are going to handle them based on emotions.
I backed my statement up with quotes from the game, 'real' facts.
Anderson calls Shepard a hero - the Shepard he knew - and rightfully so, that doesn't mean, he is suspicious of his current actions, because the circumstances are quite extraordinary, the are not sure, if that is indeed the Shepard they knew. They are investigating Cerberus, but since the rumors are, that Shepard is with Cerberus now, it includes him.
"We didn't know about you at the time and I wouldn't have told you, if I did!
What if The Illusive Man was manipulating you, lying to you."
That doesn't sound like complete trust to me.
You can do whatever you want in your game and keep ignoring the facts, but that doesn't make you right.
The End.
lovely, the quote game. OK let's do it
Anderson defends shepard to the council by standing up to them as shepard is accused to work for cerberus
"I am on this council too and I won't let this whitewash continue". If he did not trust shepard he could have him in custody until his investigation was over. Obviously he trust at the very least Shepard to do the right thing. Let us not forget that Anderson also has dealings with Cerberus as per LOTSB (watch the vids). His "investigation" could be a facade but I'm not going there. Still there is a huge difference between "I'm investigating shepard because he is with Cerberus" and "I am investigating Cerberus but Shepard needs to remain oblivious of it otherwise our main investigation would be compromised"
Let's move on to the fact that the one accusing shepard of being insane is the turian coincillor.....oh......HELLO? The turian who airquotes "ah yes....reapers, the race of sentient machines allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim". The turian who is on Shepard's *** through TWO games. Still, giving someone SPECTRE status is nothing light. You do not give that to someone you DO NOT trust fully.
"Hey I think you are a terrorist, but sure, I'll let you be a cop, here's your badge and your gun"
you can use ingame quotes as much as you want but other situations and circumstances prove that shepard is given a degree of trust one way or another. Ignoring that is downright blind or childish. Also, yeah, I hold a grudge......but I was not the one who ended up being wrong ultimately was I?
so yes it will be my pleasure to see Ash humbled...or stuck on the normandy, either or
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:52
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A pro-Human political figure standing up for a Human symbol against implied external accusations despite privately admitting doubts about the same?
Impossible.
Impossible.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:53
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Judging from the demo we saw of Shepard escaping Earth (which, could change mind you) it would appear that the VS rescues you. I don't really know how much more loyal they can be.
That's not VS' initiative. Captain Anderson orders VS to do so. He's the one who calls the ship. VS merely follows the Alliance orders...as usual.
Notice that Shepard is NOT the one who calls Normandy. It could be because he doesn't have the clearance to do so. VS might not have listened to him if he called. It would seem that Alliance has the Normandy, and VS is in charge of the ship, and Anderson orders Shepard's pickup. I can't see where VS rescues Shepard, here.
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crimzontearz wrote...
elektrego wrote...
This is quite funny, because you are doing, what you accuse them off- thowing a tantrum and make a decision on how you are going to handle them based on emotions.
I backed my statement up with quotes from the game, 'real' facts.
Anderson calls Shepard a hero - the Shepard he knew - and rightfully so, that doesn't mean, he is suspicious of his current actions, because the circumstances are quite extraordinary, the are not sure, if that is indeed the Shepard they knew. They are investigating Cerberus, but since the rumors are, that Shepard is with Cerberus now, it includes him.
"We didn't know about you at the time and I wouldn't have told you, if I did!
What if The Illusive Man was manipulating you, lying to you."
That doesn't sound like complete trust to me.
You can do whatever you want in your game and keep ignoring the facts, but that doesn't make you right.
The End.
lovely, the quote game. OK let's do it
Anderson defends shepard to the council by standing up to them as shepard is accused to work for cerberus
"I am on this council too and I won't let this whitewash continue". If he did not trust shepard he could have him in custody until his investigation was over. Obviously he trust at the very least Shepard to do the right thing. Let us not forget that Anderson also has dealings with Cerberus as per LOTSB (watch the vids). His "investigation" could be a facade but I'm not going there. Still there is a huge difference between "I'm investigating shepard because he is with Cerberus" and "I am investigating Cerberus but Shepard needs to remain oblivious of it otherwise our main investigation would be compromised"
Let's move on to the fact that the one accusing shepard of being insane is the turian coincillor.....oh......HELLO? The turian who airquotes "ah yes....reapers, the race of sentient machines allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim". The turian who is on Shepard's *** through TWO games. Still, giving someone SPECTRE status is nothing light. You do not give that to someone you DO NOT trust fully.
"Hey I think you are a terrorist, but sure, I'll let you be a cop, here's your badge and your gun"
you can use ingame quotes as much as you want but other situations and circumstances prove that shepard is given a degree of trust one way or another. Ignoring that is downright blind or childish. Also, yeah, I hold a grudge......but I was not the one who ended up being wrong ultimately was I?
so yes it will be my pleasure to see Ash humbled...or stuck on the normandy, either or
Degree of trust, I agree, I am not saying you are wrong on this. Some degree of trust. Not completely. Full trust is only restored AFTER Horizon.
Blind and Childish is to ignore the role of the VS in fully restoring that trust because your feelings have been hurt by their words on Horizon.
And again, I do not think Shepard is wrong in working with Cerberus. And I think it is ok to have a problem with their reaction on Horizon, i had it too, before I started to analyze the situation reasonably. When you start to use the word 'facts' you have to look at the complete picture.
But this statement is completely untrue and the origin of my arguement:
crimzontearz wrote...
I really wonder what compels people
to overlook the fact that by horizon Shepard can be very well backed up
by the council, Anderson himself (who pretty much tells the alliance to
get off your back) and hackett (who does the same thing) and to take
the whole cerberus situation out this context
To accuse people they overlook something, when it is you who is doing this.
edit: The investigation is an internal matter of the Alliance, no need to bring the Council in this, who are completely unreasonable in this regard, I agree. I am not arguing on their behalf.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:17
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
A pro-Human political figure standing up for a Human symbol against implied external accusations despite privately admitting doubts about the same?
Impossible.
That would be Udina's motivation. Anderson is a military man at heart not a politician his support of Shepard has to do with his personal belief in Shepard being trust worthy. That added with the other Council members trusting Shepard enough to give him Spectre status tells us that they are very very uneasy with him being with Cerberus they are willing to take a chance on him personally. At least for the time being.
"Let's hope your time with Cerberus is a short one."
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:21
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Dr. Nexas wrote...
Ash/Kaiden: I told you so about Cerberus.
Shepard: You told me they'd betray me of their own free will. They're indoctrinated. ****ing buffon.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:37
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the fact Shepard is not under arrest and infact on horizon AFTER going to the citadel, speaking to Anderson and the Council (who basically gave him permission to work there) should indeed tell at least "something" to the VS...apparently it does not. That's being a tad obtuse don't you think.
They can knee jerk react to it the way they want but iltimately it's a very binary situation
1: Believe Shepard is doing the right thing and trust his word
2: Contest Shepard's beliefs, his abilities and judgement and "report to the alliance"
it's THAT simple really. Ash chooses not to trust shepard
one can say "look at the circumstances", but then again one can also say "look at their history together" (even if the VS is a LI)
They can knee jerk react to it the way they want but iltimately it's a very binary situation
1: Believe Shepard is doing the right thing and trust his word
2: Contest Shepard's beliefs, his abilities and judgement and "report to the alliance"
it's THAT simple really. Ash chooses not to trust shepard
one can say "look at the circumstances", but then again one can also say "look at their history together" (even if the VS is a LI)
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:46
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problem is, no matter what, this is a discussion to have, after me3 comes out, and we get to see if there's any resolution, as we've already seen in here.....many 'sheperds' have interpreted this situation in a different way....
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:50
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Memmahkth wrote...
Judging from the demo we saw of Shepard escaping Earth (which, could change mind you) it would appear that the VS rescues you.
Well, the VS was commanded to come pick you up by Anderson, so the VS is really just following the order of their superior officer.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:53
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Shepard should try to win their loyalty back not the other way.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:54
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Why should they arrest him right then and there, when they have no proof one way or the other.
And exactly that black and white mentality is my problem, the inabilty to acknowledge the complexity of the situation. This and people having a knee jerk reaction without the abilty to move past it eventually. The VS is able to do so.
And regarding their history together - that wasn't even a year. Shepard has been dead longer than that. Especially Ashley has a much stronger connection to the Alliance.
Their lives outside the events of the game are much more than what we experience. I can't take people seriously, who refuse to see that.
And exactly that black and white mentality is my problem, the inabilty to acknowledge the complexity of the situation. This and people having a knee jerk reaction without the abilty to move past it eventually. The VS is able to do so.
And regarding their history together - that wasn't even a year. Shepard has been dead longer than that. Especially Ashley has a much stronger connection to the Alliance.
Their lives outside the events of the game are much more than what we experience. I can't take people seriously, who refuse to see that.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:56
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Hatchetman77 wrote...
Well, the VS was commanded to come pick you up by Anderson, so the VS is really just following the order of their superior officer.
Can you blame them though? They only know Shep what...a few months? You're with the ME2 crew longer than that. So I understand them not wanting to risk their carrer over Shepard, my Shep's not even angry about that just doesn't care. As long as there's no forced "oh I'm sorry Kaidan/Ash you're my friend." crap when the VS isn't my Shep's friend I'm happy. Was bad enough with Liara. Garrus and Wrex were better to me because my Sheps are friends with the but that shouldn't be pushed on the player either.
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#149
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:58
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I bet Shepard is Captain in ME3 now.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:57
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I find it very strange that people think that Shepard's return of Spectre status is anything but a cheap political ploy by the Council. They're afraid the Savior of the Citadel will raise the stink, make them look bad in the process, or reawaken the hysteria that no doubt engulfed Council Space after the attack. They don't trust you, they're just throwing you a bone so you don't bite them in their collective alien behinds. And Anderson may be a military man, but he also realizes that whatever political influence he has now is because of your recommendation. He's a smart man, he won't voice his doubts in public.
elektrego is right, the Horizon situation is complicated. I for one am more mad at Shepard for being a complete derpface and not explaining things better. Not to mention that in the end VS survivor was right and working for Cerberus was a Bad Idea.
elektrego is right, the Horizon situation is complicated. I for one am more mad at Shepard for being a complete derpface and not explaining things better. Not to mention that in the end VS survivor was right and working for Cerberus was a Bad Idea.
