103 réponses à ce sujet

[marbatico]

what a load of ****, everybody knows that Steam, or should i say Valve, has 10 times the costumer support EA ever had.

[Seagloom]

Zjarcal wrote...

It's not about feeling pity for Steam, it's about the hassle that it will be buying EA games for us from now on! Well, at least digitally.

I don't see it as much of an issue. I have downloaded from Steam, GOG, and Amazon. I might feel a bit annoyed over this if Origin required generating another username and password, but that's already been done. The only real impact will be downloading another application; if there is one. Considering I can run everything simultaneously and come nowhere near hitting my PC's RAM cap, it's not a big deal.

The funny part is I couldn't stand digital a year ago. How times change.

Granted, I still do not buy most of my games digitally, but I have always been a shop for the best deal sort of person. I do not believe in loyalty to any one company. I do what has to be done to get what I want.

Modifié par Seagloom, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[Fraevar]

Seagloom wrote...
The funny part is I couldn't stand digital a year ago. How times change.

I'm the reverse - I could stand it right up until they began with the arbitrary 1USD = 1Euro garbage. That pretty much sunk my interest in digital purchases, because it's painfully obvious I'm being ripped off not just with pricing but by restricted availability. Sadly I think it's going to take massive EU legislative changes to get these companies to stop being greedy.

[Seagloom]

Yeah, that sucks. Having imported a few games from Europe over the last few years, the exchange is sooo not in the dollar's favor. I wouldn't be keen on a significant markup either. I wouldn't consider it arbitrary, though. Chances are they're overcharging on purpose because they can get away with it.

Same reason Origin exists in the first place. All these stores' main concern is how much money they can wring from consumers.

[Fredvdp]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Seagloom wrote...
The funny part is I couldn't stand digital a year ago. How times change.

I'm the reverse - I could stand it right up until they began with the arbitrary 1USD = 1Euro garbage. That pretty much sunk my interest in digital purchases, because it's painfully obvious I'm being ripped off not just with pricing but by restricted availability. Sadly I think it's going to take massive EU legislative changes to get these companies to stop being greedy.

That'w why I use Steam only when there's a good deal or if I'm buying an old game. When i buy a new PC game it's €37-42 in retail. €50 on Steam.

[Fraevar]

Fredvdp wrote...
That'w why I use Steam only when there's a good deal or if I'm buying an old game. When i buy a new PC game it's €37-42 in retail. €50 on Steam.

Precisely. It is utterly insane. And in my country(and several others) we don't even use the Euro, but we're denied any other payment option. Add to this that Activision and it seems EA are beginning to charge 60USD for a game, convert that to 60 Euros and you see people just not buying games, especially people in the 19-29yr demographic who may not have a good job yet. 60 Euro is food for 2 weeks, if you're on a budget!

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:11 .

[Valcutio]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Good. Maybe Valve will say screw Crysis 2 and announce Half-Life 3, which will most likely be more superior in every aspect to the Crysis franchise, including graphically.

That's gonna be a very good day, indeed. I think it's safe to assume at this point that episode 3 will end up being Half Life 3. As to those discussing using alternate digital download sites - I'm all for healthy competition. What I'm against is lying to the customers you're trying to get to buy your stuff.

EA should have had the balls to say, "Yeah, we pulled some games from Steam because they didn't cave in to our ridiculous demands we want ppl that buy our games to come to our digital piggy bank competing website so we have all their information and can spam their e-mails  give them reminders about how we're going to nickle and dime them with tiny dlc packs exciting new content."

Not that I'm biased or anything....

[adneate]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
I don't really feel bad for EA not wanting to pay another publisher a hefty chunk of their revenue when they can do it themselves.

A hefty chunk? Is that a joke? Valve takes the least amount of revenue from sales of anybody in the business, games sold at retail outlets have 70% of their sticker price go to the retailer while Valve only takes 30% and that includes the maintenance of the network and the use of their servers as well as automatic patching. Valve takes very little for themselves and spends the majority of it on maintaining and upgrading the Steam platform.

EA's servers are garbage, they very well might have the worst servers in the world. We've already been through this garbage with them when they refused to use Microsoft's LIVE service for the original Xbox. They tried to do it through their own servers which were absolute trash, it was either slower than the second coming of christ or totally unavaliable for days at a time. EA can't do it themselves they're too incompetent, they need someone with half a brain to run their servers and maintain their network, they need Valve and Steam.

Modifié par adneate, 07 juillet 2011 - 02:10 .

[Brockololly]

Zjarcal wrote...

Of course, it's a good business move for them and I don't blame them for wanting to get a higher revenue. But as a consumer, I do find it annoying, especially since I'm not convinced by their Origin platform.

Yup, although you have to wonder if giving the middle finger to Valve/Steam is going to necessarily help- in that, how many sales are they going to possibly lose by not putting a game on Steam which has a larger audience than Origin. Does the loss in sales volume make up the difference in revenue from Valve's 30% cut they get from games on Steam?

The disingenuous thing about it is how the article from DeMartini is titled: "At EA We Respect Consumer Choice... Your Choice" Yeah, except you know, if you want to choose Steam.

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Agreed, Brock. I think Origin is intended to be a
DRM. It's packaged with other features to make it look good. It feels
like their new policy to add MP components to all their games is
intended to counter arguments like there is no need for an internet
connection in a SP game. It's just EA's version of Ubisofts online DRM.
Nothing more, nothing less. I stopped buying Ubisoft titles for a while
now. I think ME3 may be the last EA title I'll buy. I am not sure even
sure if I want to buy DA3. Stuff like this is driving me away from EA.

Yup, the nice thing with Steam is that its fairly unobstrusive. Its not a pain in the ass. To be fair I haven't tried Origin, but even looking at stuff like DA:O's DLC authorization issues and that kind of thing for a single player game and I just don't necessarily trust EA not to mess up with something like Origin. I don't trust them.

Just seems like between stuff like Ubisoft's crummy DRM or the horrible Games for Windows Live in games, thats stuff that (to me) acts as a disincentive to buy games with that sort of stuff tacked on. Steam or Steamworks is generally something that adds value and makes me want to buy a game with it. Not just due to the features, but because I trust Steam to work  and not lock you out of playing the games you've paid for.

[Kronner]

Steam is quite OK, but it has nothing on GoG.com. I don't really care where EA sells their games tbh.

[Volus Warlord]

You are a pirate!

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:30 .

[Turnip Root]

What I want to know is if getting banned from the forums will mean getting your origin account banned and thus locking you from all the games you purchased.

EA is notorious for linking forum bans to game bans so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Rockworm503]

Computer_God91 wrote...

EA can kiss my ass. I'm not making an Origin account, if they don't want to sell me their games through steam then I'll buy them physically from Gamestop. I. Will. Never. sign up for Origin.

Apperantly if you ever signed up to EA's sitein the past then you already did sign up for origin... I was trying to recover my account for my Dragon Age profiles cause the password wasn't working and it tells me welcome to origin now.  *roll eyes*

[Kandid001]

They just want some attention for their Origin thing. Even a little kid can see through this.

[FlintlockJazz]

Turnip Root wrote...
Steam deserves a little competition anyways.  It will make them better.

It would be better for the consumer and the industry as a whole if this competition came in the form of Gamers Gate and other independent online retailers rather than each company requiring you to sign up to their digital distribution network, otherwise it will get out of hand.

[88mphSlayer]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Digital distros are the future, baby. It won't be long before you buy all your games straight from the publisher.

and thus ends my interest in PC gaming

[AlanC9]

Having a middleman is that important to you, 88mphSlayer?

[Bryy_Miller]

marbatico wrote...

what a load of ****, everybody knows that Steam, or should i say Valve, has 10 times the costumer support EA ever had.

Valve has horrible customer support.

You're thinking of non-invasive selling tactics.

[Rockworm503]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

marbatico wrote...

what a load of ****, everybody knows that Steam, or should i say Valve, has 10 times the costumer support EA ever had.

Valve has horrible customer support.

How?  I don't even...  Best customer help I've ever had.

[AlanC9]

My impression was that they were average at best, but OTOH I haven't needed much from Valve

[naughty99]

Seagloom wrote...


I don't see it as much of an issue. I have downloaded from Steam, GOG, and Amazon. I might feel a bit annoyed over this if Origin required generating another username and password, but that's already been done. The only real impact will be downloading another application; if there is one. Considering I can run everything simultaneously and come nowhere near hitting my PC's RAM cap, it's not a big deal.

^This - I had to install Origin to download my free copy of ME2, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that it is not a resource hog and it's very easy to kill the process in task manager or simply by clicking "quit"

Overall, I prefer Steam simply because the download time seems to be faster and I already have 70 Steam games, but if necessary it will not be a big deal to use Origin.

/also, Steam tech support has gone out of their way to do things like make their client compatible with Oblivion Script Extender, etc.

Modifié par naughty99, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:10 .

[sympathy4saren]

Valcutio wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Good. Maybe Valve will say screw Crysis 2 and announce Half-Life 3, which will most likely be more superior in every aspect to the Crysis franchise, including graphically.

That's gonna be a very good day, indeed. I think it's safe to assume at this point that episode 3 will end up being Half Life 3. As to those discussing using alternate digital download sites - I'm all for healthy competition. What I'm against is lying to the customers you're trying to get to buy your stuff.

EA should have had the balls to say, "Yeah, we pulled some games from Steam because they didn't cave in to our ridiculous demands we want ppl that buy our games to come to our digital piggy bank competing website so we have all their information and can spam their e-mails  give them reminders about how we're going to nickle and dime them with tiny dlc packs exciting new content."

Not that I'm biased or anything....

Right on...I'm glad a lot of people can see through the language and see in reality what buttered up words mean.

Although....good news for you here...a while back Valve stated they will no longer be using episodic content in any of their products.

They didn't specifically say Half-Life, but we all onow what they meant.

I can't wait to see how the impossible resistance to the Combine plays out. And I want to fight side by side with THE Alyx Vance....she's the best.

Plus...I can't wait to unravel the mystery of who exactly is the G-Man....

[88mphSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Having a middleman is that important to you, 88mphSlayer?

having all my games available from a unified source matters a lot, especially in regards to being able to play with my friends

if i had to deal with multiple platforms for game delivery/play on a console i'd hate it too

but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:28 .

[Valcutio]

88mphSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Having a middleman is that important to you, 88mphSlayer?

having all my games available from a unified source matters a lot, especially in regards to being able to play with my friends

if i had to deal with multiple platforms for game delivery/play on a console i'd hate it too

but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Yeah, I have to agree to a certain extent. I think potential competing companies are overlooking one very important detail - Steam is an all-encompassing gaming center for PC users. EA, M$ etc. think they can compete with JUST their products. Steam brings all companies to the table and has set up the most robust community features on the internet to stay in touch. Nobody else has come close.

When I log into Steam, everyone I know is on there. Can anyone claim the same with a competing website? I hate coming off like a fanboy (I used to be the same with Bioware) but Valve has really raised the bar in this regard.