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[Bryy_Miller]

88mphSlayer wrote...
but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

[rwscissors702]

Bryy_Miller wrote...free games get pirated.

Seriously? That doesn't make any sense, why pirate a game if you can get it free legally?

[Moondoggie]

88mphSlayer wrote...


but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

And perhaps Valve should go Steam free? Steam is a form of DRM too which is why Steam downloads don't need other DRM on it. Steam is just the acceptable version because so many people are in love with Valve.

[heretica]

Lol'd.

I bought KotOR off steam holidays.. anyway, this is pointless... who cares if they removed some games? you can still add them to steam and in most cases the overlay will work. I have a retail CE copy of me2 and it works with steam.

And really, stop making excuses and blaming piracy for the "industry" problem. They make a lot of **** games nowadays, piracy is just a side effect.

[Joshd21]

Steam sucks. Maybe this has something to do with non auto patch.

[Chromie]

Joshd21 wrote...

Steam sucks. Maybe this has something to do with non auto patch.

Auto patch can be turned off.

[KenKenpachi]

Actully I just bought Red Alert 3 off of it. And thats an EA game, maybe its just some games being removed.

[Bryy_Miller]

rwscissors702 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...free games get pirated.

Seriously? That doesn't make any sense, why pirate a game if you can get it free legally?

It's rather stunning and telling, isn't it?

[xkg]

^ wow must be the biggest BS i've ever heard ...

[Thalorin1919]

I really don't understand all the flack about this.

Why should EA have to share their revenue of sold games they published with another publisher when they can just do it themselvs? It's called business.

Also, it's not going to destroy your world. I use Steam quite a bit. But I don't think it's that difficult to create account, (which you have all already done), and download a game right off of Origin's. Jesus Christ...

And on top of that. Just way to bash EA in general for wanting to do better business and bring in more revenue. I mean, these guys don't fund and publish Bioware's games or anything...

[Pious_Augustus]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I really don't understand all the flack about this.

Why should EA have to share their revenue of sold games they published with another publisher when they can just do it themselvs? It's called business.

Also, it's not going to destroy your world. I use Steam quite a bit. But I don't think it's that difficult to create account, (which you have all already done), and download a game right off of Origin's. Jesus Christ...

And on top of that. Just way to bash EA in general for wanting to do better business and bring in more revenue. I mean, these guys don't fund and publish Bioware's games or anything...

There is a model like this it's called Wal Mart to where you cut out a middle man and do it yourself.

A company might make a good product but most companies don’t really know how to sell it. Local Stores are essential for those who do not get everything on the Internet and to reach the majority of the public.

Look at EA Store now known as Origin. It is a horrible service. If you buy it you have extra tackled DRM added to the game. To make it worse you only have a limited amount of time to re-download an item and then you have to buy “insurance” from EA to download it for a shorter window of time? You would have to be a literal sucker to subscribe to a service like that.

I used to think Steam was crap though until I tried it was Empire Total War and go figure it’s an amazing service. Delete and play whenever or wherever and offline if you wanted to, disc not needed.

They sell games for publishers that make it covenant for everyone!

Piracy from 2000 to Present is due to publishers crippling the game and putting software in side game that can cripple the game and even ones computer. It used to be in the 90s and early 2000s you can download games free if you can find them but they would be full of viruses.

Then RELOADED and other hackers came out against StarFORCE and Suckrom and literally cleaned the games from DRM and crippling effects. Also publishers like Atari would release games and make them unplayable unless you bought a certain Graphics Card even if you had a better quality one the industry was rampant in corrupt practices.

Anyone remember Neverwinter Nights 2 when Atari refused to release a good deal of content years after it was done being made because they were looking for the most intrusive kind of DRM on the old Bioware boards?

With more and more people finding Steam and working with them to make games more accessible to everyone. For someone like me who has the money why would I want to buy a game when the pirated version is cleaner but then again if a service is offering a clean version of the game why would I risk pirating it?

EA knows how to sell to it’s corporate partners but when it comes down to it and no offense to Stanley but can you imagine Stanley Woo insulting the user base telling people to buy it or get out of here? If Stanley Woo was behind the counter talking as he talks to you here would you buy it from him or go somewhere else?

Some companies or personal have no idea on how to reach out to its user base and how to relate to people’s concerns well they are trying to sell a product. Let’s use Stanley Woo again..... he talks to people here like he is you’re boss. Seriously, I feel like I am getting emails from my boss....and that I work for him? No, I am your customer you think on the sales floor Best Buy, GameStop and other businesses would work using the Woo model of talking down to you like the customer is their employee?

Seriously if you came into a store with concerns can you imagine a Stanley Woo talking to you like, ‘going forward you will not come in asking or talking about this or you will ask this in the right spot of the store and ‘going forward’ talking like this’ would you really shop at this place again?

EA can relate to other companies in the business community but they cannot relate to their customers.

Origin formerly known as EA Store will not do well....it really has never done well they just changed the name of their store and started pushing it with the same service.

Star Wars the Old Republic has become an exclusive Origin product. Meaning it won’t be sold anywhere else meaning I and other people who do not like Origin won’t buy it. Why would I pay for a game then change a couple of computers and then have to pay to buy it again? I do hope the Old Republic comes to Best Buy or GameStop otherwise I won’t be buying it.

Also I do apologize if I offended any Bioware employees that wasn’t my intent and my only intent is to point out what some of you have said you are not, “Customer Service” and as some have pointed out “that’s Chris” who is customer service

To add though think about it everyone knows Bill Lumbergh from office space can anyone imagin him trying to sell you something well telling you what to do? Yeeeeeeaaahh

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 09 juillet 2011 - 01:15 .

[Rockworm503]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...
but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

[Pious_Augustus]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...
but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

However DRM trippled the amount of pirating. In the 80s people stopped playing PC Games because you literally had to read the instruction book and have it on you to take quizes before you play the game and during the game otherwise it would not run it. For the average gamer why would you pay for a product like that?

StarForce used to cripple a persons computer in the worst ways it got to the point where people just didn't buy the product even though it was a good game. Think of Spellforce 2

Why buy the product when a hacker will clean up and release the product again thats much faster and a lot less of a burden. Again the roles reserved in the 90s a pirated product was full of viruses in the 00s literally if you bought the product you'd be buying a product that could destroy your system.

Steam is the solution for everything if EA adopted a system like Steam they would have no problem but EA Store just puts on unneeded DRM and then tries to screw you by only letting you download something you purchased for a limited amount of time

[AlanC9]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

Excuse? So DRM is something they wanted to do for some other reason?

[Bryy_Miller]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...
but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

I'm confused. Are you saying piracy is good or bad?

[FlintlockJazz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

Excuse? So DRM is something they wanted to do for some other reason?

Yes, it's called trying to kill off the second-hand market.  When you buy a car you get to sell it on again when you don't want it anymore, and the car manufacturer doesn't care that they don't get a cut, but game publishers?  Oh no, apparently you're stealing from them, Nintendo went psycho crazy when they found out that people were selling on their games.  It's called control, oh and by adding in drm they often force you to have to buy more copies of the game, take mp3 players for instance: they have tried to make it that if you want to play music on your CD player you have to buy one specific form of it for that, and if you want to play the same song on you mp3 player you would have to buy it AGAIN for the privilege.  It's all about profit at the expense of the rights of the customer.  Soon you won't be able to take a **** without making sure you have your toilet code and have paid up your subscription for the right to access your toilet...

[Rockworm503]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

Excuse? So DRM is something they wanted to do for some other reason?

DRM has done nothing but make pirating easier to justify.  I was all ready to buy Splinter Cell: Conviction then I found out about the DRM and decided it wasn't worth it. I didn't bother pirating but unless they took that DRM out then that would be how I'd play it.
For the record I don't care one way or another but anyone who honestly thinks piracy is hurting the PC gaming industry just needs to look at steam and see how strongly its going for them.

[AlanC9]

So you just have no idea why they're doing DRM, Rockworm?

FlintlockJazz has a guess, anyway.

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[88mphSlayer]

Moondoggie wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...


but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

And perhaps Valve should go Steam free? Steam is a form of DRM too which is why Steam downloads don't need other DRM on it. Steam is just the acceptable version because so many people are in love with Valve.

that's cool with me

if everybody jumped over to gog.com i'd be happy

i just don't want publisher-specific stores where that's the only source you can get their games, it's so damn archaic i mean what are smaller devs supposed to do? sign on with a huge publisher just to get their game out? new boss, same as the old boss?

[88mphSlayer]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...
but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Games will stop having DRM when people stop pirating them.

And before anyone goes "they only get pirated because of DRM", think on this: free games get pirated.

Pirating has been around long before games and its not going anywhere.  The DRM excuse is weak at best.  People used to think recording the radio with a cassette tape was pirating for crying out loud.

people with more time than money (or people with no legit access like in places like east asia) will always pirate

people with more money than time will always buy

the only group that DRM affects is the latter group, so what's the point?

[88mphSlayer]

Valcutio wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Having a middleman is that important to you, 88mphSlayer?

having all my games available from a unified source matters a lot, especially in regards to being able to play with my friends

if i had to deal with multiple platforms for game delivery/play on a console i'd hate it too

but sure, EA can remove the middleman, but only if they go DRM-free and origin-free

Yeah, I have to agree to a certain extent. I think potential competing companies are overlooking one very important detail - Steam is an all-encompassing gaming center for PC users. EA, M$ etc. think they can compete with JUST their products. Steam brings all companies to the table and has set up the most robust community features on the internet to stay in touch. Nobody else has come close.

When I log into Steam, everyone I know is on there. Can anyone claim the same with a competing website? I hate coming off like a fanboy (I used to be the same with Bioware) but Valve has really raised the bar in this regard.

exactly, people didn't warm up to steam just because of digital downloads, they warmed up to steam because it brought a unified experience to the PC, you didn't have to call up your friends or you vent or download 3rd party software or use gamespy or games for windows live or other bloatware crap, but on top of that you had a huge selection of 3rd party titles such that you could never touch valve's games and still have an overwhelming selection of games

[Bryy_Miller]

Rockworm503 wrote..
 but anyone who honestly thinks piracy is hurting the PC gaming industry just needs to look at steam and see how strongly its going for them.

.... Yes, services that sell things usually do well.

I have no idea what point you think you are making.

[bmwcrazy]

I think so far EA has only "removed" one game from Steam, and that was Crysis 2. Though I'm pretty sure EA's future AAA titles will not be released on Steam until a period well after their release dates.

[Rockworm503]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote..
 but anyone who honestly thinks piracy is hurting the PC gaming industry just needs to look at steam and see how strongly its going for them.

.... Yes, services that sell things usually do well.

I have no idea what point you think you are making.

Well some people seem to think that PC gaming is dead (Turnip Root) and that pirating is so rampant that anyone with a PC is pirating and you just wont admit it.
If this is true then a service that sells PC games like Steam simply wouldn't exist.

[Bryy_Miller]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote..
 but anyone who honestly thinks piracy is hurting the PC gaming industry just needs to look at steam and see how strongly its going for them.

.... Yes, services that sell things usually do well.

I have no idea what point you think you are making.

Well some people seem to think that PC gaming is dead (Turnip Root) and that pirating is so rampant that anyone with a PC is pirating and you just wont admit it.
If this is true then a service that sells PC games like Steam simply wouldn't exist.

Can you tell me why you're responding to me with this instead of Turnip Root? There is no use responding to someone's post if they are not talking in the context that you are.

Especially if you are speaking in strawmen.