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[Repearized Miranda]

Golden Owl wrote...

THIS!!!^....Very well said knightnblu

Seconded!

[Seboist]

Depending on how ME3 plays out my Femshep would try to preserve Cerberus and not kill her future husband (TIM).

[TexasToast712]

 Kill em all with big guns and exploding bunnies.

[Tonymac]

Big bunnies and exploding guns?

[Barquiel]

I intend to arrest (or kill) TIM and dismantle the whole organization.

[Ieldra]

I find all this hate quite unreasonable.

If I have any say, Miranda will take over what remains unindoctrinated of the organization, purge the most extremist elements and reshape it into the future human STG-equivalent. During the war, Shepard will also appreciate the technological data of the Collector base Cerberus had collected.

As for TIM, we'll see how that goes. If possible, I'll hear him out but I think it might be necessary to kill him. Too bad really, he is cool.

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I find all this hate quite unreasonable.

If I have any say, Miranda will take over what remains unindoctrinated of the organization, purge the most extremist elements and reshape it into the future human STG-equivalent. During the war, Shepard will also appreciate the technological data of the Collector base Cerberus had collected.

As for TIM, we'll see how that goes. If possible, I'll hear him out but I think it might be necessary to kill him. Too bad really, he is cool.

Basically this except I'm hoping to keep TIM in charge.

[Gterror]

If TIM betrays my Renegade Shepard who gave Collector base to Cerberus, then im totally gonna shove a gun into he's face.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I find all this hate quite unreasonable.

If I have any say, Miranda will take over what remains unindoctrinated of the organization, purge the most extremist elements and reshape it into the future human STG-equivalent. During the war, Shepard will also appreciate the technological data of the Collector base Cerberus had collected.

As for TIM, we'll see how that goes. If possible, I'll hear him out but I think it might be necessary to kill him. Too bad really, he is cool.

Basically this except I'm hoping to keep TIM in charge.

TIM IS Cerberus and hopefully he stays in charge. :happy:

[Luigitornado]

 Cerberus =

Modifié par Luigitornado, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:59 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

TIM has done a few things to annoy me, mostly the fibbing that Shep was obviously going to find out about. But if given the chance to save him I would, he's a useful resource.

[Lil focker]

what about mirandas sister cerberus protects her

[Golden Owl]

Lil focker wrote...

what about mirandas sister cerberus protects her

Yep, to keep Miranda happy.....doesn't strike me that it is out of the goodness of TIM's heart.

[happy_daiz]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I hope you guys know that Jacob and Miranda aren't with Cerberus anymore.

I believe most do or Miranda was lying about resigning (not sure what Jacob said on the subject)

How did I miss this? When does this happen?

[Cutlass Jack]

happy_daiz wrote...

How did I miss this? When does this happen?

Well the best version of this is if you bring Miranda to the final battle and decide to destroy the base. TIM orders her to stop Shepard and she tells him to go screw himself. Its Miranda's best and most redeeming moment for me...unfortunately the only way to get it is to like her enough prior to that fight to bring her along.

Otherwise you can talk to them on ship in the post-game.

[happy_daiz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

How did I miss this? When does this happen?

Well the best version of this is if you bring Miranda to the final battle and decide to destroy the base. TIM orders her to stop Shepard and she tells him to go screw himself. Its Miranda's best and most redeeming moment for me...unfortunately the only way to get it is to like her enough prior to that fight to bring her along.

Otherwise you can talk to them on ship in the post-game.

Aha! I never bring Miranda to the final battle, so that might explain it. When I talk to her post-game, after blowing up the base, she usually just says I did the right thing, but perhaps I just blazed past that part and missed it. 

[Medhia Nox]

I will depose TIM - if that means he forces me to kill him, then I will probably do so.

I will not just kill all of Cerberus' goons - they're people, people fighting for what they believe in. I've met many of them now - and I know they're not all salivating ne'er do wells deserving of Shepard justice.

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@Cutlass Jack - see, that annoys me. Some of these interactions with NPCs should happen no matter what. That's a great interaction with Miranda (fortunately, I liked her prior, but I wanted to keep my support team of Tali and Mordin were helping the ultimate galactic badass "My Shepard" destroy some Reaper-thing)

Cerberus itself would be destroyed however - and all Cerberus members who do not flee prior to my destroying Cerberus will be taken into custody.

Since I already gave TIM the finger - my crew has stood with me and have parted ways with Cerberus so they are no longer accountable.

[Dean_the_Young]

I will avoid any and all revenge-murder-torture fetish inclinations, as well as only judge by what is known, and not simply presumed to fit a confirmation bias. I will also refuse to include elements for which I know TIM is NOT responsible, and limit my judgment to what is known.

I will not destroy Cerberus if doing so risks or endangers a greater group, even if doing so will allow Cerberus to survive and recover.

I will also keep in mind the relative evils of Cerberus to the enlightened, established powers of the galaxy.

[PhantomSpectre]

knightnblu wrote...

*snip*

Cerberus is a murky, deadly, clandestine organization that acts more like la cosa nostra than a branch of government. They have proven themselves to be capable of carrying out any evil so long as it serves their ends including torturing and murdering human children en masse. For me, Overlord was the last straw. They are completely rogue and I am going to put an end to them if I get half a chance in ME3.

This.

If I just get chance to destroy Cerberus organization without jeopardizing the fight against Reaper I'll do it right away. 

[HogarthHughes 3]

Can't really say until I know more. Seeing as how TIM more or less is Cerberus if he were to die only bits and pieces of the organization could likely be salvaged. Of course, it looks like that is what will happen anyways if they aren't just destroyed altogether. If the opportunity presents itself to help them, I likely will (assuming they are no longer fighting for the reapers). I would love to get a ruthless SOB like Kai Leng on the squad as well, but it seems he will just be another goon to kill.

[Dean_the_Young]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

*snip*

Cerberus is a murky, deadly, clandestine organization that acts more like la cosa nostra than a branch of government. They have proven themselves to be capable of carrying out any evil so long as it serves their ends including torturing and murdering human children en masse. For me, Overlord was the last straw. They are completely rogue and I am going to put an end to them if I get half a chance in ME3.

This.

If I just get chance to destroy Cerberus organization without jeopardizing the fight against Reaper I'll do it right away. 

Your line in the sand are the only two operations in known Cerberus history which the abuses were NOT sanctioned policy, and were deliberatly carried out without the Illusive Man's awareness by people who deliberatly hid their intent and actions via various means?

I mean, if you want to draw the line in the sand at Akuze, at least you could rest easy that Cerberus actually did that as a deliberate act of the organization.

[ABCoLD]

knightnblu wrote...

This is going to be a bit out of character for me as I usually choose the paragon path, but here goes. TIM is going down as are all of his associates. I don't really care if he and his men are indoctrinated or not, they really need to be put down. I say this for the following reasons:

First, TIM is a manipulator, liar, and he doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his way. This has been proven by Jack's torture, the events on Akuze, the events in Overlord, and God knows how many more projects that subjected the innocent to torture, suffering, and death. Had Jack's program been successful, do you really believe that he would have shut it down? I don't. I think that TIM would have gladly slaughtered children in order to create stronger biotics and he would be smiling while he did it because he is a sociopath.

Second, he spread rumors about Shepard that separated him from his LI (Ashley), from the Council, and from the Alliance. This was done to insure that Shepard would work for Cerberus because he was isolated from his entire support structure. I really don't like being left with no choices and I will remind TIM of that when I blow his brains out.

Third, Cerberus has murdered Alliance Admirals, political leaders, blackmailed those they could, and ran roughshod over those they couldn't. They say that it is nothing personal while they murdered the Quarian people with wild abandon.

Fourth, Cerberus has experimented on Rachni, Thorian Creepers, and husks in order to develop so called "shock troops." Miranda says that it is to protect humanity, but if you are killing humans in order to create these abominations, that dog don't hunt. Remember the civilians that were fed to the Thorians? How about the colonists that were placed on the dragon's teeth? What of the innocent victims of the Rachni that were spread over an entire cluster? Funny, but I didn't see Cerberus anywhere out there trying to fix what they screwed up. Apparently TIM just said, "Meh," and let it roll. So much for actually protecting humanity.

Cerberus is a murky, deadly, clandestine organization that acts more like la cosa nostra than a branch of government. They have proven themselves to be capable of carrying out any evil so long as it serves their ends including torturing and murdering human children en masse. For me, Overlord was the last straw. They are completely rogue and I am going to put an end to them if I get half a chance in ME3.

^-This-^

My current theory is that if you let them have the base it of course indoctrinates them and if you don't then they manage to salvage another version of Object Rho from somewhere. 

In any event, it's become crystal clear over the course of Cerberus's checkered past that they are not cuddly fun like the STG.  They perform horrifying experiments with zero oversight from the Illusive Man and have an appaling horrible track record of keeping their operations under control.  Miranda's half assed excuse that they didn't know the Rachni were intelligent doesn't wash when, you know, the Rachni threatened to destroy galactic society a while ago in Rachni designed ships.

Humanity needs an elite covert response unit, but Cerberus is far too broken to be of use to anyone, even if they weren't Reaper-indoctrinated crazies.

[Repearized Miranda]

Golden Owl wrote...

Lil focker wrote...

what about mirandas sister cerberus protects her

Yep, to keep Miranda happy.....doesn't strike me that it is out of the goodness of TIM's heart.

Ditto.

[LTiberious]

TIM is Racist.

In the galaxy as cruel as ours - Racism is needed.

So TIM lives, and is unindocrinated.