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[MYepes95]

When I wiped out every Cerberus project I encountered back in ME1, TIM should have known better than to bring my Shepard back. Even If it saves the human race, working with the Reapers is unforgivable. TIM will die, and every Cerberus operative that stands in my way will die.

[MYepes95]

Ignore the double post:bandit:

Modifié par MYepes95, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:53 .

[MYepes95]

Saphra Deden wrote...

MYepes95 wrote...

Even If it saves the human race, working with the Reapers is unforgivable.

So you'd rather humanity just dies? You're sick.

If it means joining a race of Machines that have destroyed countless civilizations before my own, then yes. The Reapers are pure evil. Saving the human race at the expense of every other sentient race in the galaxy is just wrong.

Modifié par MYepes95, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:46 .

[Arijharn]

MYepes95 wrote...

If it means joining a race of Machines that have destroyed countless civilizations before my own, then yes. The Reapers are pure evil. Saving the human race at the expense of every other sentient race in the galaxy is just wrong.

o.0 You honestly think that Cerberus wants to exterminate the other species? Basically what Cerberus wants to do is ensure that humanity is capable of defending itself, with crushing force if necessary, against an uncertain future. There is nothing wrong with this, in fact, judging by foreign policy enacted around the globe, it's kinda common.

Cerberus is less than a threat than the Reapers no matter what, work with Cerberus to deal with the Reapers, but after that all bets are off and run them to the hills if that's what you prefer.

I'll be frank, as a stranger I'm honestly appalled that you'd be willing to cause galactic extinction because of some imaginary line in the sand you've arbitrarily drawn in the sand. Let your successors weigh up whether you acted appropriately or not, and make sure you have successors by doing everything you can to win against the Reapers. Anything less is truelly morally bankrupt, because that's what you're essentially saying: that you're okay with mass genocide, and not some wishy washy genocide like the Genophage to which some people still argue that it isn't, but genocide by something far worse: general apathy.

[Medhia Nox]

But you no longer have to work with Cerberus - they're a compromised organization. ME 2 was enough of "working with evil to achieve a goal". And I don't mind it - I felt it was totally railroaded, I would have preferred a far more compelling reason to work with them, but it worked well enough and I could tell off TIM at the end which was gratifying.

[MYepes95]

Arijharn wrote...

MYepes95 wrote...

If it means joining a race of Machines that have destroyed countless civilizations before my own, then yes. The Reapers are pure evil. Saving the human race at the expense of every other sentient race in the galaxy is just wrong.

o.0 You honestly think that Cerberus wants to exterminate the other species? Basically what Cerberus wants to do is ensure that humanity is capable of defending itself, with crushing force if necessary, against an uncertain future. There is nothing wrong with this, in fact, judging by foreign policy enacted around the globe, it's kinda common.

Cerberus is less than a threat than the Reapers no matter what, work with Cerberus to deal with the Reapers, but after that all bets are off and run them to the hills if that's what you prefer.

I'll be frank, as a stranger I'm honestly appalled that you'd be willing to cause galactic extinction because of some imaginary line in the sand you've arbitrarily drawn in the sand. Let your successors weigh up whether you acted appropriately or not, and make sure you have successors by doing everything you can to win against the Reapers. Anything less is truelly morally bankrupt, because that's what you're essentially saying: that you're okay with mass genocide, and not some wishy washy genocide like the Genophage to which some people still argue that it isn't, but genocide by something far worse: general apathy.

I don't know if Cerberus WANTS to exterminate the others, but the Reapers do. working with the Reapers means ensuring our species survival by helping them commit said genocide. If there is a chance humanity can tip the scales in a galactic war, we take that chance. We have to take the chance, because even if we still live, the Reapers will continue the cycle, destroying countless more civilizations. Also, I can see the Reapers simply turning on Cerberus after they have used them to exterminate the Turians, Salarians, Asari, Volus, Hanar, Elcor, Krogan, Drell, and all the other species. 

Or Bioware could just say "they're all indoctrinated!" and they take the fundamental morality out of it. <_<

[ozenglish]

Interesting. Most probably, I will not kill TIM. The reasons are that Cerberus are the only ones who have given Shepherd any decent tools to fight the reapers with. Sure Anderson believed in the reapers, but he too ended up casting Shep adrift after ME2. I would like to think that Anderson is going to leave the Alliance and help Shepherd out some otherway.

As for what could help cause TIM to work for the reapers, since my FemShep on so many occasions gave him a fully operational reaper toy, and said "Hey give me the goodies when you figure out what to do with them" I am sure that sitting in front of a giant indoctrination device will do that to you.. kinda like how mass media seems to think that watching Liara and FemShep get it on in ME1 for a few seconds will ruin the culture and youth of the US.. which was done a long time before that LOL.

[HiddenKING]

Cerberus is a terrorist organization that is a threat to humanity and the rest of the galaxy, they have committed countless crimes, and is made up of xenophobes and extremists. I will kill The Illusive Man, destroy Cerberus and hunt down down every operative and associate of Cerberus.

[Medhia Nox]

@HiddenKING - don't you think that's Cerberus level intolerance and fanaticism though?

I'm going to bring Cerberus down - if necessary (I don't even think Cerberus will be relevant this next game) - but the grunts of Cerberus will have a very clear choice ahead of them (if the option is given)

[HiddenKING]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@HiddenKING - don't you think that's Cerberus level intolerance and fanaticism though?

I'm going to bring Cerberus down - if necessary (I don't even think Cerberus will be relevant this next game) - but the grunts of Cerberus will have a very clear choice ahead of them (if the option is given)

That's true, but "The universe is a dark place. I'm trying to make it brighter before I die."

[Medhia Nox]

OKay - but what about the engineers, the cook, Jacob and Miranda, etc. They "were" all part of Cerberus prior to Shepard's ability to give TIM the finger at the end of ME 2.

They seem like disenfranchised people who were given the opportunity to make a difference and they took it. Perhaps their crime is that they didn't evaluate just who they sided with - so long as they felt they could do right, but I'm not sure if that's worthy of being gunned down.

A lot of those people have families (like Miranda's sister for example) - don't you think destroying the whole org. by killing everyone will just spring up ten new fanatical organizations in its place? I'm not sure if you would really be bringing more light.

[HiddenKING]

I always get rid of Miranda, Jacob is a soldier, with my same values, and he will do what he feels is right same as I will, and the rest of the crew, maybe you're right imprisonment may be a better option, but there are also people out there who suffered at the hands of Cerberus, and they deserve justice. Maybe vengeance is not the right thing to do, but Cerberus' crime must still be punished.

[idoless24]

I fully intend to kill TIM even though my shep is uber paragon..he's a blight upon humanity.

I will try to save the other Ceberus members though since they're mostly only underlings and deserve another chance.

edit: I must note that I do not really like the idea of cerberus being indoctrinated..seems like a cop out but I'll hold off my opinion on it until I see the game. Who knows, it might be awesome.

Modifié par idoless24, 09 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[Slurms McKenzie]

Ooooh, I dunno. Martin Sheen always wanted to ensure the survival of Humanity and I don't buy the fact that he is either indoctrinated (I just don't see how that could happen) or genuinely believes that helping the reapers would mean that they in turn would spare Humanity for their service. I mean, he was around when Saren thought something similar and look what happened to him....I doubt that would be lost on Sheen.

Maybe, he has a trick up his sleeve, eh?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Ryzaki]

Originally I was gonna let TIM live for reviving Shep...but no I'll just put a bullet in his brain.

And take over Derperus and make it something less failtastic.

[Ryzaki]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ahahaha, that would be a riot I'm sure.

 

It would. Can't make it fail anymore than it already does. 

[Ryzaki]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It would. Can't make it fail anymore than it already does. 

Shepard doesn't have the sophistication to run an organization like Cerberus.

Maybe your Shepard doesn't. Mine does. 
 

[Lord Coake]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@HiddenKING - don't you think that's Cerberus level intolerance and fanaticism though?

I'm going to bring Cerberus down - if necessary (I don't even think Cerberus will be relevant this next game) - but the grunts of Cerberus will have a very clear choice ahead of them (if the option is given)

Nope.  Unlike the rest of the galaxy, Cerberus has earned it's annhilation.  There will be no mealy-mouthed moral relativism bull****.  Cerberus set themselves above the rest of the galaxy, and for that they will be killed without remorse to the last man and woman.  There are none worth saving, none worth talking to, nothing worth anything to the rest of the galaxy and nothing worth saving.  Using up ammunition on them is an insult to the ammo, but it's sadly necessary.  They will be wiped out like the useless, subsentient vermin they are and cast into the dustbin of forgotten memory.

And no, there's nothing wrong with doing so.  Were there anytihng worthwhile about the organization or it's adherants, there might be.  But there's not, so there isn't.  One can't even say that Cerberus is worthy only of centempt, because that would be doing a great injustice to those that are worth that august title.  Expending the effort on wiping them out is degrading to those that have to do so.  Cerberus is less than bacteria, less than the crud in the tred of a stockhouse workers boot, and less than nothing.  Even hatred does them too much justice, so all one can do is sneer, put a bullet in Tim's head, and then apologise to the shell casing for using it in such a manner.

Wipe it out.  Move on.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[Quole]

What I hate most about Cerberus is how central to the ME plot it is. Honestly, it seems that everything from the novels to the games that take place after ME1 are centered around Cerberus. Really I just dont care about Cerberus and would rather they just be forgotten. Its gotten to the point where I want to kill TIM more than Harbinger.

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It would. Can't make it fail anymore than it already does. 

Shepard doesn't have the sophistication to run an organization like Cerberus.

Considering how stupid that organization is, I think ANYONE could run it.