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[dewayne31]

i told myself i would never bed merrill or finish her quests and romance...but i'm in act 3 with her as my li. i horrible cause betrayed izzy and gave her to the aristok.

[TJPags]

Eh, I slept with Merril too after swearing I wouldn't. Not sure how it happened, but it did. I consider it a drunken one night stand.

Same thing happened with Izzy, too.

Thinking back, I wish I'd given the pirate wench to the Arishok. Had to have been easier than spending an hour trying to kill him.

[Raya Aroukii]

I felt horrible after completing a pro-Templar playthrough, where I was practically BFFs with Meredith.

[DRTJR]

I would Never side with the Templars, do they have good points? yes, but the actions of one should never condemn another and all but one of the good templars(two with Samson) are dead and Meredith went off the deep end. Are the Mages flawed but when it's us Vs. Them i side with the Mages.

[Marduksdragon]

Raya Aroukii wrote...

I felt horrible after completing a pro-Templar playthrough, where I was practically BFFs with Meredith.

You don't have to like Meredith at all to side with the Templars. I wanted to kill her and sided with them-- go check out the reactions to anders death thread if you want to know why-- page 4-8.

http://social.biowar...index/7764462/4

Let's see... I feel horrible that Sebastian and Fenris are friends, they're both interested in Hawke and you have to choose between them. I'm not too surprised that Sebastian usually wins though.

Modifié par Marduksdragon, 07 juillet 2011 - 03:14 .

[Rifneno]

I feel horrible that my Hawke walked out of the Gallows at the end instead of annulling though templars nearby.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Siding with the Templars when you're a mage is worth it just to become Viscount.

In the long run, you theoretically have more opportunity to improve/mold Kirkwall post-DA2 if you sided with the templars, and with them on your side and the Chantry destroyed there's a chance for changing the way the Circle is run.

A pity the game doesn't allow us to specify our intentions. Or even reject being ruler.

[TJPags]

How did this thread turn into mages v templars???

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Because the thread started as 'I feel horrible because...' then someone said they felt horrible at siding with templars, so naturally the ball rolled from that point.

And I felt horrible because I realised too late that having a one night stand with another companion locks out other romances.

[Rifneno]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Siding with the Templars when you're a mage is worth it just to become Viscount.

In the long run, you theoretically have more opportunity to improve/mold Kirkwall post-DA2 if you sided with the templars, and with them on your side and the Chantry destroyed there's a chance for changing the way the Circle is run.

A pity the game doesn't allow us to specify our intentions. Or even reject being ruler.

Right.  Because murdering a ****load of people to gain political power isn't ridiculous evil or anything.  Not to mention that the game tells us over and over that the Viscount is all but a puppet of the templars you allege to change from that position.  We need a facepalm smiley.  Because good god.

TJPags wrote...

How did this thread turn into mages v templars???

I know, it's such a shock that the main theme of DA2 gets discussed a lot on the DA2 boards.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Rifneno wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Siding with the Templars when you're a mage is worth it just to become Viscount.

In the long run, you theoretically have more opportunity to improve/mold Kirkwall post-DA2 if you sided with the templars, and with them on your side and the Chantry destroyed there's a chance for changing the way the Circle is run.

A pity the game doesn't allow us to specify our intentions. Or even reject being ruler.

Right.  Because murdering a ****load of people to gain political power isn't ridiculous evil or anything.  Not to mention that the game tells us over and over that the Viscount is all but a puppet of the templars you allege to change from that position.  We need a facepalm smiley.  Because good god.

The game tells us that you need the support of the templars to be effective. If you side with them you GET the support of the templars. Even the endgame sequence drives home that the Order respects Hawke and would listen to her.

No comment on the murder/political power argument. It's been done and only goes in circles.

[DRTJR]

Why does Isabella become a Karma Houdini if you give her to the qunari?
I wished that she Was forced to become one with the Qun. With a Vicount the situation might never of gotten so out of hand, she deserved the punishment that the Arishok had is store.

[Rifneno]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The game tells us that you need the support of the templars to be effective. If you side with them you GET the support of the templars. Even the endgame sequence drives home that the Order respects Hawke and would listen to her.

No comment on the murder/political power argument. It's been done and only goes in circles.

1. Because clearly in the thousand years of Chantry abuse across the entire continent, no one sympathetic to the mages has gained any respect or support among templars. Right, Hawke could've done it without violence. It's so simple, of course! We just need someone to gain some respect of low-ranking grunts in the Middle East and it'll be a cakewalk to fix the place all non-violent like!
2. Then don't start it again.

[Rifneno]

DRTJR wrote...

Why does Isabella become a Karma Houdini if you give her to the qunari?
I wished that she Was forced to become one with the Qun. With a Vicount the situation might never of gotten so out of hand, she deserved the punishment that the Arishok had is store.

Why does the Arishok and the qunari in general get to be a karma houdini then?  Toss a MIRV or two at Par Vollen and we'll call it even.

[DPSSOC]

Rifneno wrote...
Not to mention that the game tells us over and over that the Viscount is all but a puppet of the templars you allege to change from that position.  We need a facepalm smiley.  Because good god.

Dumar is a puppet because the Viscount needs the support of the Templars and his only means of dealing with people is appeasement.  I think it's Cullen in Act 2 when asked about the Qunari who mentions that the Templars are the military power in Kirkwall, out manning even the city guard.  In order to maintain their position the Viscount needs the support of the Templars or risk having to fight them.  Dumar does this by being a puppet but Hawke does it by earning their respect, so they're more likely to listen to and take direction from him/her.  Now Hawke couldn't make grand sweeping changes but they could probably get the mages a lot better treatment in Kirkwall.

[TEWR]

Siding with the Templars is NOT worth it because the Templars are the real power in Kirkwall. The Viscount position is just one of a figurehead with no power and Hawke is incapable of becoming the real power.

[ObserverStatus]

dewayne31 wrote...

i told myself i would never bed merrill or finish her quests and romance...but i'm in act 3 with her as my li. i horrible cause betrayed izzy and gave her to the aristok.

eyup. http://bit.ly/eGkmkZ

Modifié par bobobo878, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:09 .

[DRTJR]

Rifneno wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Why does Isabella become a Karma Houdini if you give her to the qunari?
I wished that she Was forced to become one with the Qun. With a Vicount the situation might never of gotten so out of hand, she deserved the punishment that the Arishok had is store.

Why does the Arishok and the qunari in general get to be a karma houdini then?  Toss a MIRV or two at Par Vollen and we'll call it even.

Sure having your formulas stolen, diplomats torchered and murdered, your subordanets killed...because their not adratians, and one of the most holiest tomes to them stolen, being stranded in a foren land whose very ideals conflict with your own. I can empithise with the Qunari so no Isabella is still a karma houdini and the Qunari did nothing the denizens of Kickwall would not have done.

[Rifneno]

And do you know WHY people are so prejudice against qunari? Because qunari invaded Thedas and brutally converted by terrorism and war. If you didn't agree to join the qun (which is to say, give up everything, even your name) you were murdered. If you were lucky. If you were unlucky, you were chemically enslaved and worked literally to death. And it's quite apparent that the qunari invasion only stopped because they were getting beaten down by Thedas' mages. The peace will only last until they feel they can try to conquer the world again, as it's their duty to "enlighten the ignorant" (which is to say, force Stalinism down everyone's throats). So now here they are, a bunch of qunari warriors including their top military commander, sitting in a major city that if taken over could single-handedly choke sea supply lanes (pretty damn important when there's no such thing as airplanes), claiming to be waiting for a ship. For three years.

The only fools involved with the Kirkwall qunari mess were the ones who DIDN'T think the qunari were up to something nefarious. Petrice's problem wasn't that she was wrong about her enemy, it's that she was a moron on her plan to handle them.

[TEWR]

Not to mention the Qunari could launch a double-pronged attack against Tevinter, from the north and south.


At least that's what a few nobles said outside the Viscount's Keep.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Rifneno wrote...

1. Because clearly in the thousand years of Chantry abuse across the entire continent, no one sympathetic to the mages has gained any respect or support among templars. Right, Hawke could've done it without violence. It's so simple, of course! We just need someone to gain some respect of low-ranking grunts in the Middle East and it'll be a cakewalk to fix the place all non-violent like!
2. Then don't start it again.

1. 'Among' is not the point. 'Of' is. Again, in the endgame sequence, it's said the Chantry has lost the entire Templar Order. That's bigger than a few small groups like Thrask's.

2) *shrug* I rather thought I was nipping it in the bud, but ok.

3) Surely you can argue points about a computer game in a more civil manner? Where's all this sarcasm and hostility coming from? I wasn't advocating the templars as the right choice if that's your beef, just pointing out the potential a templar supporter would have as Viscount that a mage supporter would not get as an exile. I even said my comments were all theoretical--for all we know you're absolutely right and Viscount Hawke is as crappy a ruler as Dumar. S/he only lasts 2 years before disappearing.

[Dave of Canada]

I felt bad when I sided with the mages + let Anders live, his merry attitude... >:I

[HSHAW]

I felt ripped off when I sold Fenris (lyrium enhanced veteran warrior costs 5 sovereigns) for less than it cost for the Antivan Crows to buy Zevran (at the time a child that didn't know the sharp end of a dagger from the blunt end, he cost 7 sovereigns).

Modifié par HSHAW, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:52 .

[Foolsfolly]

She was my first love interest and I adored her. Then I made my second character to romance Isabela...and instead romanced Merrill again after having a one night stand with Issy.

....

....Merrill...she's hard not to romance.

[Foolsfolly]

DRTJR wrote...

Why does Isabella become a Karma Houdini if you give her to the qunari?
I wished that she Was forced to become one with the Qun. With a Vicount the situation might never of gotten so out of hand, she deserved the punishment that the Arishok had is store.

A part of me, a very cynical part of me, thinks it's because they plan on having Isabela return in future games. And the option of having her dead or with the Qunari ruins that.