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[CrimsonZephyr]

Seriously, guys, why wait?

The Qunari hate the mages, the Chantry hates the mages, the Templars hate the mages, the nobles fear the mages, and the people fear the mages. Only the Grey Wardens treat them as equals, but they are few and spend their time in creepy, darkspawn-infested tunnels. The civilizations of Thedas could find common ground in murdering them, like ping-pong diplomacy, except with genocide. Why bother even maintaining the Circles? Why not just snuff out the mages while they're still kids? Why not turn murdering mages into a game? "Ten points for a head, fifty for a phallus!"

Don't any of the Knight-Commanders think "Screw duty, my job sucks! What do you think would happen if I just, I don't know, got high as a kite on lyrium and slaughtered one tenth of the entire Circle at random secretly in the dead of night?" Less mages, fewer problems fore him or her to manage. Why not just start killing every mage they can find, stop prosecuting (or even encourage) crimes against mages, Tranquilize any that object, and make them worship the Knight-Commander as a physical god?

That's what I like about Meredith. There wasn't any passive-agressive waffling (right, Sebastian?). She didn't hide a dagger behind a smile. If she wanted the mages dead, they would be dead, and they would damn well know that they would be dead, and that she wanted them dead. After all, magic is a curse against the Maker, right? Right?

Thoughts?

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 07 juillet 2011 - 03:14 .

[yfullman]

Sure! Genocide is fun! no more waffling with morals and whatnot

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Sure... And while we're at it, lets kill all the muslims because some of them are terrorists...

[FJVP]

wat

[OdanUrr]

Because it would be wrong?

But still, let's put that aside for a moment. How about, because it goes against common sense? I think it's in "The Art of War" (that would be Sun Tzu's) that says, "Always leave your enemy a line of retreat." If you push an enemy too far, if you engage relentlessly in order to ensure their utter destruction, then that enemy will have no other recourse but to engage to the death, and both sides lose. This is what happens in Kirkwall, when faced with the prospect of death and no other alternative, the mages decide to fight back.

Considering there are a lot of mages in Thedas, some undoubtedly very powerful, and considering mages are born every day, not always intentionally so, not only would it be a very difficult battle to win, it would also be a never-ending one.

[CrimsonZephyr]

yfullman wrote...

Sure! Genocide is fun! no more waffling with morals and whatnot

Exactly! Morals just hold them back! What they really need are dedicated Templars with sharpened swords and a taste for murder. Hey, mages are cursed by the Maker, right? Why aren't they just murdering as many of them as possible. Surely that will bring them to the Maker's side.

[Myzzrimm]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

Sure... And while we're at it, lets kill all the muslims because some of them are terrorists...

 

You have no idea what you've just done, do you?

[megski]

All morality aside, magic runs in families right? Even if you did kill all the mages more would be born. Some kind of solution would have to made FOR mages, so I assume this was probably discussed at one point and the circles were the solution.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Then just keep killing the mage children as they're born. Templars have the weapons and the will to make it happen!

[OdanUrr]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Then just keep killing the mage children as they're born. Templars have the weapons and the will to make it happen!

Do I really have to delve into history to show you how that's a terrible idea?

[CrimsonZephyr]

Why? Just tell the parents you're bringing them to the Circle and when they're out of sight, snuff the kid out as fast as possible and get rid of the body. No one will have to know. It will be the Chantry's little secret.

But keep a few mages actually trained to maintain the ruse. But do everything you can to brainwash them.

The Templars are either scared witless of mages or they hate them with a burning passion. They have weapons and will. It's time to act on that fear, on that hatred. To let it consume them until they are swimming in a sea of the corpses of mages.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 07 juillet 2011 - 03:51 .

[Mike 9987]

because they will turn to blood magic and it will become a war against demons instead of a war against mages?

[CrimsonZephyr]

All the more reason to kill 'em all, right? How dare a dog bite me?! I was only kicking it in the face! It should be worshipping me!

[Nerdage]

Because mages are useful, they're the main reason the Qunari didn't just faceroll the entire continent when they first invaded.

[megski]

It would probably work fine as long as its just common folk having kids that can do magic. It would become very difficult I think for templars to justify murdering a prince that could do magic though. What about the dalish too, are the templars going to murder all of the keepers because they can do magic? Who is going to pay them to do all of this mage hunting? Are non-magic people going to be punished for not reporting magic born children? Eventually people would find out that templars are executing their kids. I smell a revolt.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Sure, make it a hangable offense. Offer coin for mage heads. Kill every single elf, since they revere mages. Set up the Templars as dictators. Start up a selective breeding program to weed out the magic in bloodlines. Start taking hostages, get people addicted to lyrium, start up splinter chantries that worship templars as physical gods. Whatever it takes, right?

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:15 .

[megski]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Sure, make it a hangable offense. Offer coin for mage heads. Kill every single elf, since they revere mages. Set up the Templars as dictators. Start up a selective breeding program to weed out the magic in bloodlines.

I kind of get the feeling that you're asking these questions mockingly, trying to stir up trouble instead of having a debate.  

Anyway, if this is the route you want to go, you actually don't need the chantry.  Kill off all humans and elves and give Thedas to the dwarves.  No magic.  

[megski]

nerdage wrote...

Because mages are useful, they're the main reason the Qunari didn't just faceroll the entire continent when they first invaded.

Good point.  

[CrimsonZephyr]

I'm actually mildly pro-mage, but I want to see how far the Templar party line can be taken.

[Cyne]

For one thing not all mages are evil. For another, magic has its uses, as the Grey Wardens well know. Also, trying to wipe out an entire group would plunge the state into civil war, and it's not as though the mages are easy targets. Lots and lots of people would die on either side if it was ever attempted.

Modifié par Cyne, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:05 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

But mages are, for the most part, treated with contempt and fear, though hidden behind smiles. Why veil that? Why not act honestly? Most Andrastians would breathe easier if the mages were eradicated. Why not give them that certainty? Why not act on their hatred? At least then the mages would know exactly how everyone feels. If magic is dangerous, get rid of it, utterly. Few care about mages as people, most are concerned with magic as a resource and as a threat.

[Melca36]

Um...

How many physicians are available in Thedas to treat everyone's ailments?

Mages are needed!!!

[CrimsonZephyr]

But would you trust an entity that could turn into a monster randomly and set you on fire with YOUR medical treatment? Or are they, and only they, worthy of existence because of their utility while every other individual is worthy intrinsically?

[Cyne]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

But mages are, for the most part, treated with contempt and fear, though hidden behind smiles. Why veil that? Why not act honestly? Most Andrastians would breathe easier if the mages were eradicated. Why not give them that certainty? Why not act on their hatred? At least then the mages would know exactly how everyone feels. If magic is dangerous, get rid of it, utterly. Few care about mages as people, most are concerned with magic as a resource and as a threat.

The mages already know how everyone feels about them, and there is contempt on both sides. If the mages acted honestly, they would probably kill everyone who tried to imprison them. And they'd probably get away with it too, if they weren't such a minority. They're very powerful.