Why don't the Templars, though? They might say they're about serving and protecting the community, but deep down, every Templar wants to grab ahold of a mage and brutally murder them. Get rid of those inhibitions! They are cursed by the Maker after all, and Templars do the Maker's work, whatever they do to the mages. Why not just drop the pretense that they are in any way acting to the benefit of the mages. Why not just fulfill that suppressed desire to kill as many mages as possible?
Why *not* kill all the mages?
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CrimsonZephyr
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#27
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:12
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Maybe it's not just a pretense. Maybe they actually don't have a desire to commit genocide on all mages.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:19
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You cannot prove the existence of the Maker and no living being deserve to die in the name of some illusionary higher powers.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:22
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It's not about the Maker. It's about a man with a sword and a crowd of people just waiting to be killed. Get to work!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:26
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Wait, it was you who mention The Maker in the first place.
So now you know my answer to this.
So now you know my answer to this.
CrimsonZephyr wrote...
Hey, mages are cursed by the Maker, right? Why aren't they just murdering as many of them as possible. Surely that will bring them to the Maker's side.
CrimsonZephyr wrote...
They are cursed by the Maker after all, and Templars do the Maker's work
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:32
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xkg wrote...
Wait, it was you who mention The Maker in the first place.
So now you know my answer to this.CrimsonZephyr wrote...
Hey, mages are cursed by the Maker, right? Why aren't they just murdering as many of them as possible. Surely that will bring them to the Maker's side.CrimsonZephyr wrote...
They are cursed by the Maker after all, and Templars do the Maker's work
Well, that's the Templars' motivation, and a convenient excuse, but don't let the fact that the Maker might not exist stop them. In the end, it's about killing mages and if the Templars really believe they are a danger, they should drop the serve and protect and get to killing.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:45
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Within the context of the setting it is a perfectly valid idea.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:54
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You know that magic is used to maintain the eternal flames in the chantry right? That is one example of mages, and their integration into Theodesian society, being a bit more complicated than some weirdos who have special abilities and are hated by everyone who doesn't have them. What lord doesn't want a pet mage for healing? What king wouldn't want a few mages on his side at a great battle, like Ostagar (even Duncan thought seven was too few). Even with the dangers that mages can pose, people in a position to use mages to their advantage would be loathe to give them up.
Then there's the whole moral issue, but that doesn't necessarily have to factor into a decision.
Where is IanPolaris in this thread?!
Then there's the whole moral issue, but that doesn't necessarily have to factor into a decision.
Where is IanPolaris in this thread?!
#34
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 07:38
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I don't think Tevinter would agree to kill off all their mages and a one sided decommission might prove difficult.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 08:13
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Because it wouldn't help. Unlike other fantasy setting, in the DA world not everyone can become a mage just by studying grimoires like crazy. It's (more or less) genetics, so you are *ahem* born that way, if you want it or not.
So, first of all you cannot kill all the mages because they will always pop up by nature, and second the only way to avoid their development would be having an all-pervasive police force that spots the presence of a baby child as soon as he shows the first signs of magic, and slaughters him (not the most ethic thing to do, not to mention that cases like that of Connor in DAO would multiply).
So, first of all you cannot kill all the mages because they will always pop up by nature, and second the only way to avoid their development would be having an all-pervasive police force that spots the presence of a baby child as soon as he shows the first signs of magic, and slaughters him (not the most ethic thing to do, not to mention that cases like that of Connor in DAO would multiply).
#36
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 08:18
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I have a better idea: let's kill everyone *but* mages!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 08:36
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templar purpose is protect mage and normal
circle is part military of chantry
if wasn't any mages, we all be part qun
circle is part military of chantry
if wasn't any mages, we all be part qun
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 09:54
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Part of me agrees, we should just 'kill them all'. They're nothing but a headache most of the time and by the sounds of it we'd be doing them a favor. The problem I have with this is I always pick a mage to play. Dose this mean I'd have to off myself? Pop in the game, pick mage, run into a mess of mobs, die. It might be fun for a bit but I don't think I would be getting my monies worth.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 10:07
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From a purely practical standpoint, killing all of the mages would weaken the lyrium trade or make it obsolete, and that would undermine the economy of Thedas. Not to mention leave a lot of Templars suffering from the DT's.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 12:49
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Killing the mages? Hmm, that's probably not a good idea. But making them all Tranquil? That's a better solution. But don't you need mages for that, or is only a magic "hot poker" required?
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 02:32
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Ooohhh a straw man, what fun!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:36
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vehzeel wrote...
Killing the mages? Hmm, that's probably not a good idea. But making them all Tranquil? That's a better solution. But don't you need mages for that, or is only a magic "hot poker" required?
Don't just make them Tranquil, make it a hangable offense not to abuse them! Mages are vermin, after all, right? Abuse them so much that they rebel and when they do, you cut them down. In the interval, degrade them and sap them of as much personal dignity as humanly possible! It'll be fun, I promise! There's nothing like mass-murder to start the day off right.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:14
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Er... isn't this a too much of a spoiler for this board?CrimsonZephyr wrote...
... Abuse them so much that they rebel and when they do, you cut them down. In the interval, degrade them and sap them of as much personal dignity as humanly possible! It'll be fun, I promise!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:23
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I never said it happened, since everything I've been posting has hypothetically been hypothetical. By pointing it out, you effectively made it one.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:43
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Here's one point no one brought up: You can't ensure every nation eliminates their mages. While the Templars have some power most places, they aren't in Tevinter, the Qunari lands, or most of Rivain, And hell, the Templars in somewhere out of the way like Ferelden could break off, or be expunged by the rulers, who'd rather risk having uncorraled mages than none at all.
So all the "final Mage solution" does is make the countries which undertake it far, far weaker compared to external enemies. Both because they haven't eliminated their mages, and because undoubtedly some with magical skill will successfully flee.
The status quo is usually far easier to maintain.
Edit: Once you strip out all of the ethics about mages being...you know...people, they're sort of like nuclear weapons in Thedas, albeit with less control. People might not want them around because they could do tremendous damage, but ultimately, they'd rather they have mages if the guys next door do as well.
So all the "final Mage solution" does is make the countries which undertake it far, far weaker compared to external enemies. Both because they haven't eliminated their mages, and because undoubtedly some with magical skill will successfully flee.
The status quo is usually far easier to maintain.
Edit: Once you strip out all of the ethics about mages being...you know...people, they're sort of like nuclear weapons in Thedas, albeit with less control. People might not want them around because they could do tremendous damage, but ultimately, they'd rather they have mages if the guys next door do as well.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:50
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That's why I suggested having the "Circle of Magi" as a secret baby-killing conspiracy. People would think mages are being trained, but really, they're not. Oh, and spread false information that all magic is blood magic. That way, the average brainless peon wouldn't have any problem with mages being snuffed out as children. It'd take time, but where there's a will there's a way!
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:55
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Perles75 wrote...
Because it wouldn't help. Unlike other fantasy setting, in the DA world not everyone can become a mage just by studying grimoires like crazy. It's (more or less) genetics, so you are *ahem* born that way, if you want it or not.
So, first of all you cannot kill all the mages because they will always pop up by nature...
Eugenics?
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:09
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So what happens when the Tevinter Imperium finds out about this mage wide genocide. They surely wouldn't stand back and wait for the Templars to come and kill them all. It would be war.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:15
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CrimsonZephyr wrote...
But would you trust an entity that could turn into a monster randomly and set you on fire with YOUR medical treatment? Or are they, and only they, worthy of existence because of their utility while every other individual is worthy intrinsically?
Its a ridiculous assumption that all mages would turn into abominations.
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Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 06:17
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Terryballer wrote...
So what happens when the Tevinter Imperium finds out about this mage wide genocide. They surely wouldn't stand back and wait for the Templars to come and kill them all. It would be war.
If we understand the Imperium correctly, wouldn't the correct course of action for the magisters be to allow the genocide of non-Imperium mages? This would ensure that the only mages would be in the Imperium. Also, the magisters have no problem with blood magic, abominations, etc., so they are already enemies of the Ferelden chantry. I don't think the Imperium would care one way or another.
