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[Herr Uhl]

bobobo878 wrote...

Why not kill all the mages? If there were no mages, who would we make into tranquil slaves?  The chant of light teaches us that magic is here to serve man, and I demand service!

But they're as non-magic as they come. Worse than dwarves they are.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:37 .

[megski]

I still say give Thedas to the dwarves, no magic, no templars, no chantry.

[hoorayforicecream]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

But everyone fears them. Why not act on that fear, and turn some mages into corpses.

They do. The thread subject says *all*, not *some*.

[Vit246]

Because then we could not play a mage character.

[CrimsonZephyr]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

But everyone fears them. Why not act on that fear, and turn some mages into corpses.

They do. The thread subject says *all*, not *some*.

Don't stop there! Grab a sword and start up the slaughter. Make it into a sport. The first person to bring the Knight-Commander fifty mage hearts gets some gold.

[Wulfram]

Until recently, the Circle system kept most mages safe, peaceful and a potential resource to defend Thedas from it's foes - and also easy to exterminate if things go wrong.

If you have a policy of killing all the mages, then the mages have nothing to lose and all of them will fight back, likely with any method available. Even if you manage to wipe them out, more will be born.

[Rockworm503]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Seriously, guys, why wait?

The Qunari hate the mages, the Chantry hates the mages, the Templars hate the mages, the nobles fear the mages, and the people fear the mages. Only the Grey Wardens treat them as equals, but they are few and spend their time in creepy, darkspawn-infested tunnels. The civilizations of Thedas could find common ground in murdering them, like ping-pong diplomacy, except with genocide. Why bother even maintaining the Circles? Why not just snuff out the mages while they're still kids? Why not turn murdering mages into a game? "Ten points for a head, fifty for a phallus!"

Don't any of the Knight-Commanders think "Screw duty, my job sucks! What do you think would happen if I just, I don't know, got high as a kite on lyrium and slaughtered one tenth of the entire Circle at random secretly in the dead of night?" Less mages, fewer problems fore him or her to manage. Why not just start killing every mage they can find, stop prosecuting (or even encourage) crimes against mages, Tranquilize any that object, and make them worship the Knight-Commander as a physical god?

That's what I like about Meredith. There wasn't any passive-agressive waffling (right, Sebastian?). She didn't hide a dagger behind a smile. If she wanted the mages dead, they would be dead, and they would damn well know that they would be dead, and that she wanted them dead. After all, magic is a curse against the Maker, right? Right?

Thoughts?

theres a parrelel to blacks in the 50s I'm sure but I'm too lazy to go there.

[huwie]

Templar skills are a big, specialised career-investment that relies on the existence of mages for its value. Why would they destroy a guaranteed livelihood?

[CrimsonZephyr]

huwie wrote...

Templar skills are a big, specialised career-investment that relies on the existence of mages for its value. Why would they destroy a guaranteed livelihood?

There are always more mages to kill, more slaughter to be had.

Plus, darkspawn only show up in force every few hundred years. That's a lot of time for mass murder. Just sayin'....

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:54 .

[Rockworm503]

Sauronych wrote...

I have a better idea: let's kill everyone *but* mages!

I like this!
oh and Dwarves.  Dwarves can stay.

[Rockworm503]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

huwie wrote...

Templar skills are a big, specialised career-investment that relies on the existence of mages for its value. Why would they destroy a guaranteed livelihood?

There are always more mages to kill, more slaughter to be had.

Plus, darkspawn only show up in force every few hundred years. That's a lot of time for mass murder. Just sayin'....

gosh your acting like this is a video game or something...

[huwie]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

huwie wrote...

Templar skills are a big, specialised career-investment that relies on the existence of mages for its value. Why would they destroy a guaranteed livelihood?

There are always more mages to kill, more slaughter to be had.

Agreed, you'd always need some Templars. But more mages = more job opportunities for Templars. Fewer mages = unemployed Templars, with the excessive supply of Templars competing for the dwindling supply of mages. Before you know it, you've got a nasty case of mage inflation -- and as everyone who lived through the 1970s knows, that genie is hard to put back in the bottle.

Anyway, watching mages in a nice warm Circle Tower is a cushy number compared to hunting apostates through the wilderness. I know which lifestyle I'd choose.

[Big I]

Aside from widescale massacres being wrong, I can think of a few practical reasons.


1) Enchantment. Tranquil mages provide enchanted goods for people - no Circles, no moving golem dolls for Alistair from the Wonders of Thedas.


2) Defense. The Circles are an important military asset, as shown during the Blights and the qunari invasions.


3) Apostates. Currently, some apostates (like Alain and Bethany) will not resist capture when confronted. If they knew they were going to be killed anyway, they no longer have an incentive not to go down fighting.

[CrimsonZephyr]

huwie wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

huwie wrote...

Templar skills are a big, specialised career-investment that relies on the existence of mages for its value. Why would they destroy a guaranteed livelihood?

There are always more mages to kill, more slaughter to be had.

Agreed, you'd always need some Templars. But more mages = more job opportunities for Templars. Fewer mages = unemployed Templars, with the excessive supply of Templars competing for the dwindling supply of mages. Before you know it, you've got a nasty case of mage inflation -- and as everyone who lived through the 1970s knows, that genie is hard to put back in the bottle.

Anyway, watching mages in a nice warm Circle Tower is a cushy number compared to hunting apostates through the wilderness. I know which lifestyle I'd choose.

How about abusing mages in a nice cushy tower? Why treat them nicely when you could whip them raw simply for being there?

[Demx]

Why not, magic is holding their technology back anyways.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Why not force mages to have children simply so the Templars can kill them in front of the parents? Just claim the parents were maleficarum. Everything is legal, then.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[xkg]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Why not force mages to have children simply so the Templars can kill them in front of the parents? Just claim the parents were maleficarum. Everything is legal, then.

Hmmmm ... you know what ? Imo you are pushing it little too far now. Your ideas are really disturbing.

If you're not tro... ehm ehm i mean - if you're not doing this just for a good laff then you may need to seek some professional help soon.

[Herr Uhl]

xkg wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Why not force mages to have children simply so the Templars can kill them in front of the parents? Just claim the parents were maleficarum. Everything is legal, then.

Hmmmm ... you know what ? Imo you are pushing it little too far now. Your ideas are really disturbing.

If you're not tro... ehm ehm i mean - if you're not doing this just for a good laff then you may need to seek some professional help soon.

This has been answered.

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Its an ignorant assumption to assume that all mages want to use blood magic and.or will become abominations.

Can't wait until DA:3 comes out and the hypocrisy of the Chantry will be revealed. 

I actually agree with this statement. I was just seeing how far the pro-Templar argument could be taken.

[xkg]

^ ok. So my answer is - it's gone too far now.

Edit:
This is "Social Forum" not "Sociopaths Forum".
Discussing killing babies is really ...... ..

Modifié par xkg, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:24 .

[erynnar]

*sees the killing babies part and slowly backs back out of this thread* Um, yeah, no.

[CrimsonZephyr]

It's not sociopathy if the logic to reach that conclusion is already provided. It's just forward-thinkingness. Right? Right?

[xkg]

There is LOGIC and there is SICK LOGIC. Guess which is yours.

But yeah don't mind me. Keep discussing about "killing the children in front of their parents".
You seems having fun - and in this case i really don't have much to say to you.

Modifié par xkg, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[Herr Uhl]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

It's not sociopathy if the logic to reach that conclusion is already provided. It's just forward-thinkingness. Right? Right?

It isn't logical, it is pointless.

[ademska]

wowwww this thread, have you guys never heard of taking a premise to its logical conclusion?

because, after all, the logical extreme of the pro-mage argument isn't mage superiority, it's equality -- while the pro-templar argument can extend as far as complete slave oppression or outright genocide.

OP is trying to prove a point, y'all. he's not actually arguing for baby killins