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[Tails_Night]

I was just thinking back and starting my third playthrough and I realized something I must be spacing off, what happened to flemmeth and then what became of the amulet she gave Hawke?

[Gibb_Shepard]

Flemmeth rose from the amulet at Sundermount, gave an extremely vague speech on destiny, and then flew off, never to be seen again.

[Marduksdragon]

The amulet you give back to Marethari.

[Tails_Night]

Oh I thought for some reason she was still part of the amulet or something along those lines. I remember the speech bit... hmm well I hope we see more of Flemmeth in the future in that case.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Flemmeth rose from the amulet at Sundermount, gave an extremely vague speech on destiny, and then flew off, never to be seen again.

Come now. We all know she'll appear in DA3, DA4 and so on, ready to rescue the protagonists in their respective prologues.

[Tails_Night]

Very true, i wonder if she'll appear even younger this time. I'm just curious about her true Identity, like wether she's even a currently known being at all heck I wouldn'ty be surprised if she was the maker itself XD

[Blacklash93]

I'm sure we'll get a DLC with Flemeth. Kate Mulgrew must have recorded more lines than that and there are scenes from the Destiny trailer that didn't make it into the final game.

[magelet]

Holy bejeezus I totally forgot that it was Flemeth who saved the Warden in the beginning!
Huh.
Well.
I totally thought she'd have a larger role in DA2 based on how much she was in the pre-release advertising things. And then it was just like "Well okay why are you even in this game?"

[whykikyouwhy]

I've long suspected that Flemeth has been saving heroic types here and there so she can form her own super hero team. The Viscount's Keep could easily be a Hall of Justice.

[toddx77]

I have a similar question. In origins I killed Flemeth. I was reading about Flemeth on the dragon age wiki and it seemed to imply that a piece of her was what was in the amulet so its not the exact same Flemeth from origins. Is that true or is it just reconed that she survives?

[whykikyouwhy]

@toddx77 - There are a lot of theories floating around regarding Flemeth. I wouldn't classify her as a retcon, exactly. I don't think she can be killed so easily - it's feigned death. It's possible that the piece of her in the amulet was an aspect of her, that allowed her to "reform" (for lack of a better word). So possibly what the Warden may have fought and killed was an avatar of Flemeth, and her true essence was being carted off to Sundermount.

Lots of speculation, really. She is an enigma.

[magelet]

I pretty sure Morrigan even says in DA:O that killing Flemeth is probably not actually killing her for good.

[toddx77]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@toddx77 - There are a lot of theories floating around regarding Flemeth. I wouldn't classify her as a retcon, exactly. I don't think she can be killed so easily - it's feigned death. It's possible that the piece of her in the amulet was an aspect of her, that allowed her to "reform" (for lack of a better word). So possibly what the Warden may have fought and killed was an avatar of Flemeth, and her true essence was being carted off to Sundermount.

Lots of speculation, really. She is an enigma.

Interesting. Would you say that maybe she knew there was a chance the Warden would come back to kill her so she made an avatar to take her place? Also I may be wrong about this but isnt the first time you see Flemeth in Dragon Age 2 before Morrigan even brings up the Flemeth quest in Origins? Also why would she change her outfit within the same time frame?

@Magelet
Im pretty sure your right, Morrigan does say something along those lines.

[whykikyouwhy]

toddx77 wrote...

Interesting. Would you say that maybe she knew there was a chance the Warden would come back to kill her so she made an avatar to take her place? Also I may be wrong about this but isnt the first time you see Flemeth in Dragon Age 2 before Morrigan even brings up the Flemeth quest in Origins? Also why would she change her outfit within the same time frame?

I would imagine that over the years (centuries?), Flemeth has been threatened by many, and has had to take precautions to protect herself. And knowing Morrigan as she did, she probably figured that her daughter would eventually attempt to take the grimoire in some fashion. Either she knew this via magical means or just logical reasoning, who can say.

I don't have the exact breakdown by years (and I'll admit to being too bleary-eyed to look it up now), but I think Hawke's first encounter with Flemeth would be before the episode with Morrigan and the grimoire quest. However, Hawke's second encounter with Flemeth was well after that.

The outfit change is actually being discussed on another thread at this very moment.

[Macropodmum]

Actually I wasn't surprised by the "piece" of Flemeth being in the amulet, it very much reminded me of the pieces of Voldermort in Harry Potter should the inevitable happen. I believe that Flemeth did this because she knew the warden would come back and kill her at Morrigan's behest.

[DRTJR]

Flemeth is harder to kill than a cockroach...That's also a Dragon. She's old enough that she has an anchent Elven name. so she predates the fall of Arlathan, I would not be surprised if hundreds of Warriors have killed her just to rise again, with more Snark than before.

[Tails_Night]

yeah. I also wonder if she'll be even more healthy or youthful lookoing in the next game XD. BUt she truely is enigmatic. Sometimes I don't wonder if she truely is a dragon, heck she probably taught magicto the first mages XD

On a side not I also thought of it in that way that syhe saved a piece of her here and there and shout she be "killed" she just reform.

[TEWR]

toddx77 wrote...

I have a similar question. In origins I killed Flemeth. I was reading about Flemeth on the dragon age wiki and it seemed to imply that a piece of her was what was in the amulet so its not the exact same Flemeth from origins. Is that true or is it just reconed that she survives?

There were various sources to tell you that killing Flemeth wasn't permanent. The codex implied she wasn't permanently dead, Morrigan believes she'll come back again once you give her the grimoire so she prepares, she says in Witch Hunt that her mother has tricked her way past death before, etc..


Flemeth is a key piece to the DA story. Bioware intended for her to matter, so they took steps to ensure that she could be available without the fanbase crying out "It's a retcon."

[Tails_Night]

Oh well thank god she'll be returning, speakinf of witch was thw witches hunt dlc cannon material as well?

[Rifneno]

Oh yes, definitely. I'd prefer an electromagnetic launcher (I hate the name "railgun") that could shoot it into the sun, but a cannon would work.

Oh! You mean is it canon? If you can find part of it where something actually happens, sure. I still recommend the heavy artillery though.

As for Flemeth dying, I don't know how anyone could've taken her death in DAO seriously. They pretty much wrote "she's not really dead" on a sign and beat us with it. It wasn't subtle. People can complain about Leliana or Anders being back from the dead, but they were very upfront about Flemeth's defeat being little more than an annoyance to her.

[Tails_Night]

Yeah especially with all the in your face hints, and "flemeth has danced this dance before". that comment led me thinking either she's fought a "liberator" before and easily obliterated them or they thought she was dead when she was in fact just laughing it off.

[devilsgrin]

i very suddenly have a ridiculous theory about Flemeth. She was Andraste's "mother".
Our oft-dragon shaped Asha'Bellenar has a history of saving powerful (or soon to be) heroes (or anti-heroes as the case may be) ((Marric and Loghain, Warden and Alistair, Hawke and Carver). So Andraste - as a powerful mage who incited a rebellion and toppled an oppressive empire is VERY much like the usual persons Flemeth saves. Andraste could easily have been one of the many daughters of Flemeth. Funnily enough, making Andraste Morrigan's "sister"... tis interesting at least

Modifié par devilsgrin, 10 juillet 2011 - 10:30 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Macropodmum wrote...

Actually I wasn't surprised by the "piece" of Flemeth being in the amulet, it very much reminded me of the pieces of Voldermort in Harry Potter should the inevitable happen. I believe that Flemeth did this because she knew the warden would come back and kill her at Morrigan's behest.

I wasn't surprised either when Flemeth popped out of the amulet on Sundermount.  My clue was freeing the spirit in the life gem during the Nature of the Beast quest in Origins. 

@ Devilsgrin.  I've thought of that myself that she was Andraste's mother or she is Andraste.  Nobody really knows who or what Flemeth actually is.  We do know that is strongly connected to the Dalish Elves and she holds some type of title with them. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 10 juillet 2011 - 07:30 .

[Tails_Night]

Hmm never really thought about it that way. Either way she's a great enigma, and maybe some day her mystery might be revealed.