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[Torax]

There is no way that Flemeth is Andraste. She predates even Andraste and the Chantry. There was a fragment of her in the Amulet. Possibly a form of blood magic? It's hard to know for sure. She is unique , whatever it is that is Flemeth. An Abomination? Maybe or maybe not. She is ancient and far different than anything we'd likely ever come across. She seems closer to just an observer. It's possible she joined with something from a time long before. Something that was left over from the battles of the Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones? Maybe something older than even them? Hard to tell. For starters she is far older than even Cormac who while not being dated was a lord that battled the Chasind which were bands of Alamari that fragmented.

Regardless she is very old and a bit of a puzzle. Who knows all the magic and secrets she holds. Andraste? No, because she doesn't seem to care about the fate of others like Andraste did. At least not to the extent of protecting all. Though I think she does care that all life is not snuffed out? I think she believes they need to save themselves not her saving them all. Not without a price of course. Far difference. She likely will help those that wish to help themselves than those that simply allow others to solve their problems.

[Sinaxi]

....It was a Horcrux. Duh.

[coldsteelblue]

I've thought on this myself & have come to the concusion that that is the main story for Dragon Age 2 let me explain:

Flemmeth talks about change & whatnot so I assume that she can, even in part, see into the future.
I suspect this because the 'Piece of Flemmeth' that is in the amulet is taken from the very begining of the Dragon Age saga, BEFORE Morrigan learns of what Flemmeth has in store for her, yet on Sundermount Flemmeth knows Morrigan betrayed her, but I digress.

My initial thoughts are, Flemmeth wanted the soul of an old god, but in order for her to use it effectively she needs the Chantry brought down, hence the Circle of Magi & the Templars rebelling, so, my thoughts are, Dragon Age 2 is really just about freeing Flemmeth so that she can prepare & Hawke was a great choice because of the strong mage blood in the family.

Well that's what I think anyway

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Torax wrote...

There is no way that Flemeth is Andraste. She predates even Andraste and the Chantry. There was a fragment of her in the Amulet. Possibly a form of blood magic? It's hard to know for sure. She is unique , whatever it is that is Flemeth. An Abomination? Maybe or maybe not. She is ancient and far different than anything we'd likely ever come across. She seems closer to just an observer. It's possible she joined with something from a time long before. Something that was left over from the battles of the Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones? Maybe something older than even them? Hard to tell. For starters she is far older than even Cormac who while not being dated was a lord that battled the Chasind which were bands of Alamari that fragmented.

Regardless she is very old and a bit of a puzzle. Who knows all the magic and secrets she holds. Andraste? No, because she doesn't seem to care about the fate of others like Andraste did. At least not to the extent of protecting all. Though I think she does care that all life is not snuffed out? I think she believes they need to save themselves not her saving them all. Not without a price of course. Far difference. She likely will help those that wish to help themselves than those that simply allow others to solve their problems.

The girl who grew up as a slave in the Trevinter Imperium, married Maferath, freed the elves, enchanted the Maker and became his bride could very well be Flemeth.  Flemeth and Morrigan both say they own the Kocari Wilds.   The Chasind knew of her.  Maferath was an Alamarri War Lord whose ancestors are  King Calenhad and Alistair.  The Couslands also came from Alamarri war lords if I've read the lore correctly, which Flemeth is connected with.  Andraste was also rumored to be a mage and she could also be a mage who was a shapeshifter.  Morrigan even states this is magic older than the Chantry, so I agree, that Flemeth predates the Chantry.  However, one of the Spirits at the Urn states and the lore states the Maker gave Andraste  his powers to use.  It was also his will that she die so she could pass through the fade to the Maker's side which would maker her immortal or shall we say reuseable.

The possibility also exits  in Dragon Age for reincarnation to happen.  If you read all of the lore about the famous people all over Thedas, then you can see that Flemeth's tales could mirror those lives.   She could have been the women in each of those tales especially if she has taken over the bodies of her daughers for countless generations.  

Even the instance of the Dark Ritual between a HNF, Alistair, and Morrigan points to the tale told by the Ash warrior at Ostagar.  I thought the similarities striking in those quests and how they mirrored each other and the information we gained from each quest.   This is what I'm starting to see with Flemeth.  She could have been each or all of these women in these tales.  If she really was Andraste then the Maker is sending her to his world to shape it according to his will...generation after generation per each daugher's life.   Flemeth could have been someone else before she became known to us the way she is now.  She is a complex puzzle.

I disagree with you that Flemeth doesn't seem interested in helping people.  This is not the case.  In both the books which came out before Origins she has helped these people:  Maric, Loghain, The Warden, Alistair, Hawke and Family and somehow the Dalish elves.  Plus, we don't know what else she has done.   She told Maric in the book that the Blight was coming to Ferelden and he would never life to see it, plus Loghain would betray him.  That doesn't sound to me like she wasn't interested in helping.  I'm sure for her own selfish reasons she helped.

There are numerous threads on Flemeth and if I'm not mistaken in the Dragon Age Forum this has been discussed on who she could be.   

My conclusion on Flemeth is that she is the woman in each lore story that we pick up.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 18 juillet 2011 - 04:24 .

[Gervaise]

My take on Flemeth is that she is in some way linked to the old gods and that is why she takes such an interest in trying to preserve the soul of one of them. Morrigan guessed that killing her would not be permanent but would simply give her some breathing space to prepare for a confrontation. Given the dark ritual allows the soul to jump from archdemon to baby, it follow that Flemeth may know other rituals that allow the soul (and body) to jump to other focus, such as the amulet. Probably Morrigan read as much. The meeting Flemeth alludes to could well be just the show down with Morrigan who she expects to have done her duty and seduced the Warden - she could well be disappointed.

[Torax]

coldsteelblue wrote...

I've thought on this myself & have come to the concusion that that is the main story for Dragon Age 2 let me explain:

Flemmeth talks about change & whatnot so I assume that she can, even in part, see into the future.
I suspect this because the 'Piece of Flemmeth' that is in the amulet is taken from the very begining of the Dragon Age saga, BEFORE Morrigan learns of what Flemmeth has in store for her, yet on Sundermount Flemmeth knows Morrigan betrayed her, but I digress.

My initial thoughts are, Flemmeth wanted the soul of an old god, but in order for her to use it effectively she needs the Chantry brought down, hence the Circle of Magi & the Templars rebelling, so, my thoughts are, Dragon Age 2 is really just about freeing Flemmeth so that she can prepare & Hawke was a great choice because of the strong mage blood in the family.

Well that's what I think anyway

I'll just point out that what Flemeth says in DA2 is "If I know my Morrigan. She already has." This hints at her suspecting that a betrayal. That she was an Insurance policy. For all we know she can only predict the future of those right front of her but not her own. It could be a magic used by the Ancient Seers. As for the Old God. Morrigan states that there are somethings in this world worth preserving. This is really true. If it was possible to preserve the essence of the Old God but in the body of a Mortal? Would that be a shame. Plus it is learned that it is a Boy and not a Daughter. It's very well that it was more about just not letting a great entity like that going to waste if it was at all preventable. Flemeth may not even have an evil motive for the child. In fact, the writers may not even worry about ever touching on the subject ever again.

Flemeth could be tied to the Old Gods, the Pantheon or even the Forgotten Ones. The entity she joined with could be older than even that. We do not know. Granted it's also possible that the Forgotten Ones = the Old Gods in some form. It's all hard to tell yet they don't truly invalidate each other besides one side claiming the others do not exist. Either way Flemeth is very old. Old enough to possible long predate Andraste and some how I don't see her as many female legends all wrapped in one. Andraste is just her own person. I get the feeling that Flemeth is outside the plans of the Maker like many things were. Watching life go on around her despite their flaws. When I say she helps I think it's only specific people to help prevent the dangers that will threaten all. But it ends there. She leaves in the hands of the mortals to protect themselves.

[Ashanasu]

Nolu-Nu-Nudo 

Modifié par Ashanasu, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:41 .