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[KotorEffect3]

Weltea wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Weltea wrote...

Except that would have defeated the whole point of it because then if you think the mages are the bad guys you get proven right and same when you think the templars are the bad guys.
Also,how would you have found out about Orsinos involvement in your mothers death in your scenario? Would that also have been ignored?

but that makes those choices have weight.

Just like ME, when you have the choice to punch the reporter or not. (or a multitude of other choices) there are consequences to them all...because they matter, whereas DA2 gives you choices only to have the same outcome...

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I disagree. The fact that both choices end with fighting Orsino and Meredith is what  this gives it more depth because it's more than your typical "I'm the protagonist,I was right all along" thing

The whole business with Quentin and Orsino should have come up before the end game.  Then we could have confronted Orsino about it and hear what he had to say.  It would have put more weight into the actual decision of who to support when it came to crunch time.

[Weltea]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The whole business with Quentin and Orsino should have come up before the end game.  Then we could have confronted Orsino about it and hear what he had to say.  It would have put more weight into the actual decision of who to support when it came to crunch time.

True.Or at least you should have been able to discuss it with your sibling (if still alive). The way it was handled in-game it was like nobody even paid any attention to it

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Although in a way I can see why it works better this way:
You see the poor poor mages that have nothing to do with bloodmagic or bombs,so if you side with the mages it's an even more shocking revelation that Orsino has not been a saint trying to protect poor little mages so far...
Still wish it had somehow been adressed....

Modifié par Weltea, 15 juillet 2011 - 04:51 .

[culletron1]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Meredith could have been a better antagonist if she was featured more often than she was. She doesn't even speak until the end of act 2 and you only briefly see her walking by in a short cutscene in act 1.  In DAO we were well aware of Loghain from the beginning you can even briefly speak to him at Ostagar and throughout the game he is shown in numerous cutscenes.  You felt his presence.

On top of that Loghain was a well fleshed out character. He was the villain but you could sympathise with him. He had realistic motivations and believed himself to be doing the right thing. 

Meredith was just a cartoon lunatic. Scooby Doo has better bad guys... 

And what the **** was that lyrium idol/sword about?? What a pathetic plot device! Why wasn't that fleshed out more? What is it? Where did it come from etc etc etc...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Hello There wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Hello There wrote...

I created a poll to see peoples opinions on what they would like the main story of DA3 to be about.

Poll Here.

Where's hte "I don't care anymore" option?

That would be silly, i want results on the direction of DA3's story, not "I don't care".

But I don't. Regardles which of the 3 options one takes, the story can end up great of horrible. The poll in itself has little meaning for me personally, as pointing in the general direction and knowing how to get to the destination are two very different things.
Why do I say that? Because when you give people choices like this, they will have a perfect little story created in their heads and when they vote they generally vote for that...and ther's a 99% chance it will not be what they end up getting.

Execustion is almost everything in this case.

[Augustei]

Hello There wrote...
*snip*

I hope the road they take is that with the fighting Hawke or our future hero will have to unify the mages and templars and settle a peace between them to stop a full scale invasion of the Qunari who will attack since the Llomeryn accord was broken in dragon age 2. Then we must rally our forces to retake Minrathous which will be the first to fall to the Qunari.

The Qunari being based off the turks and the Tevinters being based off Byzantine, with dragon age paralleling medieval europe I think it is almost certain Minrathous will finally be conquered by the Qunari.. Hopefully we have to rally an army of mages and templars to retake it =D

[Lord Gremlin]

Mage vs Templar thing again is not an issue. You can take any conflict and make a great story out of it.
There is 1 thing, principal thing Bioware failed at. Being a mage or a non-mage should make huge, huge difference, like decide availability of 30% of quests and 50% of vendors and alter/limit your choices in game. That alone could make game interesting. Look at VtM: Bloodlines - you could play as overpowered ultra-ugly vampire monster, but that would limit your story-related interactions. So you would want to play game as another class, which won't be extremely overpowered, but will allow you to get twice as much story.

[JaegerBane]

culletron1 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Meredith could have been a better antagonist if she was featured more often than she was. She doesn't even speak until the end of act 2 and you only briefly see her walking by in a short cutscene in act 1.  In DAO we were well aware of Loghain from the beginning you can even briefly speak to him at Ostagar and throughout the game he is shown in numerous cutscenes.  You felt his presence.

On top of that Loghain was a well fleshed out character. He was the villain but you could sympathise with him. He had realistic motivations and believed himself to be doing the right thing. 

Meredith was just a cartoon lunatic. Scooby Doo has better bad guys... 

And what the **** was that lyrium idol/sword about?? What a pathetic plot device! Why wasn't that fleshed out more? What is it? Where did it come from etc etc etc...

You definitely have a point there - Meredith was one of the more ridiculous characters I've come across in an RPG. You don't even ever find out what her motivations were unless you help her, and he motivation was about as bland and unsurprising as it could get.

The lyrium idol/plot device is an *entirely* different can of worms, however. The whole idea about the primeval thaig was a very interesting one and could easily have served as the springboard for an entire storyline... instead, it was shifted to one side to allow the script writer to bore us to tears with rehashes of issues we'd already done to death in Origins. The fact that they had to keep referring back to it to explain any creepy quests just shows you how boring and mundane the main storyline actually was.

[Hello There]

Come on people, keep voting on the poll, need more results.

[Moogan]

Yes, i was sick of the Mages vs Templars in DA2. Ive already seen it in Origins, i don''t want to see it again.

I don't think DA3 has to be save the world, i like political stories, but i hated that Mages were ignored in the game.

[FaeQueenCory]

Like I said on the poll:
"Let's have the Mage V Templar war.... but let's also have a double blight... Qunari Invasions.... Um... And let's throw in a couple of Exalted Marches.... from BOTH Divines!
I want ALL the sh*t to hit ALL fans!
(And don't forget to have Morrigan, Flemeth, and DemonGodBaby show up in the middle of the anarchy caused by all this war to cause some fun.) "

[Shuma Gorath]

Mage vs Templar is SOOOOOO overdone.

Modifié par Shuma Gorath, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:22 .

[xkg]

What about this:
Lets move 20 years forward.

You are playing detective John Hawke II (child of the famous Champion of Kirkwal and Isabela) solving the mystrious case of the lost torn trousers )

*runs away*

Modifié par xkg, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[Black Arachnia]

Save the World - that's what Heroes do.

[The dead fish]

If DA3 features Mage VS Templars again...

... I will cry and **** the World !

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[Iosev]

Well, considering that the magi rebellion is introduced at the conclusion of DA 2, it seems likely that the issue of magic will be a part of DA 3. That doesn't necessarily mean "magi vs. templar" because the conflict over magic affects everyone on Thedas, not just templars. Flemeth cryptically hints that the world is about to undergo change, and the magi rebellion may very well be the start of that change.

[Travie]

This wasn't a game like The Witcher 1&2 where moral ambiguity is the norm.

For DA2 "moral ambiguity" meant throwing the violent extremes of each side in your face every hour or so.

It wasn't... what do you call it.... oh yeah, good.

Modifié par Travie, 17 juillet 2011 - 05:16 .

[KotorEffect3]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Like I said on the poll:
"Let's have the Mage V Templar war.... but let's also have a double blight... Qunari Invasions.... Um... And let's throw in a couple of Exalted Marches.... from BOTH Divines!
I want ALL the sh*t to hit ALL fans!
(And don't forget to have Morrigan, Flemeth, and DemonGodBaby show up in the middle of the anarchy caused by all this war to cause some fun.) "

Might as well throw in a couple of reapers from Mass Effect.

[OdanUrr]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

Like I said on the poll:
"Let's have the Mage V Templar war.... but let's also have a double blight... Qunari Invasions.... Um... And let's throw in a couple of Exalted Marches.... from BOTH Divines!
I want ALL the sh*t to hit ALL fans!
(And don't forget to have Morrigan, Flemeth, and DemonGodBaby show up in the middle of the anarchy caused by all this war to cause some fun.) "

I actually wrote a brief plot description featuring most of those elements... where did I put it... ah, here:

Four months have passed since the uprising of the Circle in Kirkwall. More circles have followed, and a resistance movement is growing under the leadership of Kanos Lemet, a Tevinter mage and former Grey Warden.

In Orlais, the Chantry is at odds as to how best deal with the situation. While the Divine Justinia V calls for peace with the mages, there's a growing sentiment to unleash the fury of the Templar Order under the command of Knight-Vigilant Regan. But the templars are few, and the mages are many, so alliances are being forged throughout Thedas to gather support for another Exalted March.

The Champion of Kirkwall has vanished, gone in a self-imposed exile after the events that tore his new home apart. While he tries to make sense of a world submerged in chaos and his role in it, he meets an old friend who has news most dire: the Qunari are coming, and their intentions are anything but peaceful.

Now Hawke must try to unite a land in disarray that seems determined to go to war. 

But in this war... the price of victory... is defeat.

I scrapped the Old God element of the story 'cause it seemed like overdoing it.

[Hello There]

Keep providing your votes and opinions, people.

[Hello There]

Bump. Need those votes.

[Giltspur]

I didn't particularly care for the mage-templar story in Act III in Dragon Age II--though I did like the ending.  That said, I don't mind the idea of mage-templar heavy stories.  And I think DAII pretty much requires following up on what Cassandra and the Seekers were after and then exploring the fallout of DAII's ending.  Ignoring that would be pretty lame.

As always though, Flemeth, Morrigan, Old Gods, the extent to which Chantry teachings are true/false, origins of the Darkspawn, Warden blood, what really happened to Elves, why are Dwarves cut off from Fade: those are the most interesting issues to me and ones that I hope come up in DA3.

Modifié par Giltspur, 21 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .

[drak4806.2]

I think for DA3 they should do another Blight and have the main character try to end/solve the mage-templar war in order to defeat the new Blight.

[Auroras]

I think that mages vs. templars could be good, if handled with a better storyline.

[alex90c]

xkg wrote...

What about this:
Lets move 20 years forward.

You are playing detective John Hawke II (child of the famous Champion of Kirkwal and Isabela) solving the mystrious case of the lost torn trousers )

*runs away*

John Hawke II upon finding the torn trousers notices a strange round device adjacent to it. He goes on his knees, and reaches for it. After pressing it, Templars parachute down on all sides and upon landing explode in to lego bricks with gore all over the place.

John Hawke II stands up in the aftermath of this event, and can hear a faint voice coming from the device - "when you press a bu'un, something awesome has to happen! button awesome!" in a loop.

[JrayM16]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Hello There wrote...
*snip*

I hope the road they take is that with the fighting Hawke or our future hero will have to unify the mages and templars and settle a peace between them to stop a full scale invasion of the Qunari who will attack since the Llomeryn accord was broken in dragon age 2. Then we must rally our forces to retake Minrathous which will be the first to fall to the Qunari.

The Qunari being based off the turks and the Tevinters being based off Byzantine, with dragon age paralleling medieval europe I think it is almost certain Minrathous will finally be conquered by the Qunari.. Hopefully we have to rally an army of mages and templars to retake it =D

I could actually get behing a plot like that if it was handled the right  way.  It could be like a Song of Ice and Fire, the first few books were about a political conflict that was super-interesting, then there was a peace.  ANd now the books are building towards more important things like the return of ancient evil and whatnot.  Every plot element is given its due.