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[Arppis]

InviolateNK wrote...


No, it's not silly. I was about to try playing a FemShep, I watched several vids on youtube to get an idea what she sounds like and it was horrible. She sounds bored, monotonous and unexpressive. Hiring her for ME 2 again then again for ME 3 - that's what was really silly.

That's what I thought too when I played her... Well, shes not horrible, but she does sound reaaaally bored.

[Captain_Obvious]

I liked Hale more in ME1 than Meer, but I think Meer was vastly improved in ME2. Either that, or the writing just allowed for more range of expression. As it is now, I think both of them are great. I prefer Hale, but that's just my own preference. My opinion is for no changes to Shepard's voices.

[CaolIla]

Luigitornado wrote...

I'm more concerned with facial expressions

The face expression I hate the most is the one Shep has after Chakwas says "You didn't!", after you brought her the booze. Its ugliness is mindblowing.

I think both voice actors did a good job in ME and ME2. ME and ME2 are one of the few games where I don't skip though dialog if I already finished reading subtitles. In fact I turned off my subtitles, so I don't get distracted and can watch their facial expressions. They are good in general just some are really off, like mentioned above.
That of course only applied to the first few runs, after that I skipped the dialog, if I've already heard it.

[Eccentrica Gallumbits]

I just think Meers' Shepard sounds bored, not stoic. He doesn't inspire me to follow him to hell and back. His address to the Normandy crew after Anderson steps down left me feeling nothing. Hale's delivery of the same lines gave me chills and made me ready to fight.

But it's all personal preferences, you can't fight about opinions. Well I guess you can, but it's pointless.

[rozpocet1]

I think Male Shepard Voice is way better. Hale is trying too much to sound cool and is far less emotional than Meer.
I tried to play as a FemShep but couldn't because of her VA.

[rozpocet1]

Actually I thought this was going to be about other concerns... like VA not returning for ME3. Now that's a real concern...

[armass]

I think meer does fine.

[Eurhetemec]

InviolateNK wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

Hale really sucked at doing renegade lines

That's a pretty crappy opinion, frankly. Hale's Renegade lines are extremely strong. It's true that Meer's neutrality serves people who flip between Renegade and Paragon, but claiming Hale's Renegade lines are bad? Just damn silly. Next up "Default Male Shepard is fugly" or similarly niche opinions.

No, it's not silly. I was about to try playing a FemShep, I watched several vids on youtube to get an idea what she sounds like and it was horrible. She sounds bored, monotonous and unexpressive. Hiring her for ME 2 again then again for ME 3 - that's what was really silly.

You should be ashamed of your opinions, frankly. They're rude, disrespectful and ill-formed.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:01 .

[Tamahome560]

Mark Meer is a great. He does his job well and I like him more than J.Hale as Shepard.

[Aimi]

Eurhetemec wrote...

Really, daqs? He totally comes across as being in the classic Richard Dean Anderson/Ben Bowder/William Shatner style with a bit of '80s action hero a la Die Hard. If he's going for "gritty", he's failing, but I don't think he is. He always has a smile in his voice, and even when he's angry doesn't growl or snarl, just emphasizes.

Hammy? Not quite, but Shatner wasn't hammy in TOS either, only in the later movies and in stuff like TJ Hooker or the modern show he's been on. Certainly Meer isn't "gritty" though, if we take "gritty" to be stuff like 24 or The Wire or the like. There's no raw-ness, no pain, only smooth, smooth Commander Shepard. So unless you can get a quote saying he's going for "gritty", I roll to disbelieve, frankly. I think he's going for what Mass Effect is going for, which is a post-modern version of classic science fiction.

Hale is far, far grittier, given more of a "24 in space" vibe than Meer, for better or worse. 

Yeah, "gritty" was a poor choice of words.  (And my opinion of Shatner's acting has been informed solely by his non-Star Trek work - I've never seen an episode of any of the series.  Not a sci-fi person.)  So I guess I'm not arguing against him sounding "classic sci-fi variant" because I honestly don't know what that means, but more that he doesn't sound like the priceline.com guy.  If that wasn't the intention of the original post, I guess there's no real disagreement?

[BatmanPWNS]

I think the opposite.

I played both male and female and yet everytime I hear FemShep saying most paragon lines she sounds like she's bored or rather be doing something else. MaleShep on the other hand sounds perfect for me.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:15 .

[happy_daiz]

I haven't heard male Shepard's voice, but I do think femShep's voice in ME2 wasn't quite as...on point as it seemed to be in ME1. Conversations with Jacob were painful to witness; every sentence was filled with innuendo and a breathy delivery. I don't know; it just made me cringe.

For giggles, I downloaded Genesis and started a new game. Throughout the entire comic book, the femShep narration was AWFUL. It was even more breathy, and the VA sounded terribly bored. I couldn't wait for it to be over. Next time, please use the codex guy for narration.

 

[jamesp81]

GodWood wrote...

I really hope Jennifer Hale picks up her act with her VO in ME3.
She was great in ME1 but in ME2 she always sounded either bored or horny.

Or both.

Or like she was trying too hard.

I still thought they both did very good.  I thought Meer did better in ME2 than ME1, and Hale did better in ME1 than ME2.  JMO

[jamesp81]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I really enjoyed Mark Meer, especially his renegade dialogue.

He was really good at casual dismissal.  Meer's voice acting inspired me to change one of my convo options.

After Garrus shoots Harkin in the leg, you can go neutral or renegade.  The renegade choice is "You're getting off easy Harkin" but his delivery inspired me to go the neutral dialogue.  Which was just a flat "We're done here."  The complete dismissal of Harkin as anyone that matters was just too tasty to pass up.

[Eurhetemec]

daqs wrote...

Yeah, "gritty" was a poor choice of words.  (And my opinion of Shatner's acting has been informed solely by his non-Star Trek work - I've never seen an episode of any of the series.  Not a sci-fi person.)  So I guess I'm not arguing against him sounding "classic sci-fi variant" because I honestly don't know what that means, but more that he doesn't sound like the priceline.com guy.  If that wasn't the intention of the original post, I guess there's no real disagreement?

Yeah I don't think there's one either, tbh. 

Referring to this thread in general, I think many people just listen to the lines from a small bit of one play-through, often of ME1, and then just randomly decide to condemn one actor or the other, which is really rather ignorant behaviour. There are also some men out there who just can't stand strong female characters who aren't basically hookers of some variety, and who use Hale's VA as a way to excuse hating on femshep, which is sad. Having played through both games on both, I think Meer was definitely weaker than Hale in 1, especially in the sort of "Heroic" moments (not Paragon stuff necessarily), but by ME2 he'd really up'd his game, and just as respectable overall, if a bit more neutral in tone. 

The idea that either of them is so bad they should have been fired seems completely nuts to me. I'm really thankful we got a sort of smiling action-hero-ish voice for Male Shepard instead of some kind of deep growl-y voiced snarler (like most games which aren't Uncharted - which also has an action hero-ish lead - seem to feature).

[darthnick427]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Being borny is a serious problem and I for one believe a support group should be started for it.

Seriously though guys,  cut Meer some slack.  He's actually a damn good voice actor, they're just portaying Shepard as a bit emotionally vacant. 

I agree with this. Bioware seems to have portrayed shepard as serious/ emotionless for the most part because he/she is a harded space marine. Both actors do a wonderful job. And I am satisfied with both their work. As long as every chracter keeps their voice actor I'm happy. At the E3 demo Wrex  sounded a little off to me so i was worried.

Modifié par darthnick427, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[KingNothing125]

AcidGlow wrote...

 I really hope the voice actor for the male shepard for me3 does alot better, while Jenifer Hale nailed her character Mark Meer was really weak  its really hard to play a male shepard cause it just sounds like hes reading a script half the time with no emotions or feelings

any thoughts comments concerns? 

I generally agree, though Renegade ManShep is a little better than Paragon ManShep. FemShep sounds like a weathered soldier who has seen some crap (on Elysium/Torfan/Akuze, and/or being an Earthborn rough-and-tumble orphan/Mindoir survivor), just like she should sound.

But I think it's probably too late to hope he changes now. I just put up with it, because how else are you supposed to get with Ashley, Jack and Miranda? You gotta be a dude.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:56 .

[Eurhetemec]

happy_daiz wrote...

Conversations with Jacob were painful to witness; every sentence was filled with innuendo and a breathy delivery. I don't know; it just made me cringe.

That can be blamed solidly on the script and directing, though - VA in ME doesn't operate in a vacuum. They have a director, and I'm pretty sure that Hale was directed into behaving that way, contrary to her normal Shepard manner as it was. Also really terrible lines in that whole thing. Poor Jacob has terrible lines there too. Whoever wrote all that needs to think about it a bit harder next time, and maybe read all their lines out loud before they put them in the script.

For giggles, I downloaded Genesis and started a new game. Throughout the entire comic book, the femShep narration was AWFUL. It was even more breathy, and the VA sounded terribly bored. I couldn't wait for it to be over. Next time, please use the codex guy for narration.

 

To be fair, Meer's narration in Genesis is so bad I couldn't even recognise it as him, and assumed they'd got some sort of cheap stand-in. I don't know if that's the result of bad directing or being handed a piece of paper and being told "Read this" or what.

And yet it was still better than the dialogue and narration in 90% of computer games, sadly.

[Heidenreich]

I think, you boys and girls have to much time on your hands if at this point your ****ing about which VO is better ;p

They do good work, both of them, portraying the "Gender" Shepard in the manor in which BIOWARE approved. Male Shepard is very Military, FemShep is very female. Not feminin, just not male or gruff.

I hate to tell you this, guys.. but women are more emotional then men. Even military women tend to have emotional inflection in their voices when they talk. That doesn't make Hale a bad voice actor.

It also doesn't make Meer a bad voice actor either. It just means Male Shepard is more male and military then female shepard would be. It's called roleplaying. Even if its a gender-swap of the same character, their minds and hormones and voice would all be different ;p


It's OK. Breath. And stop being so damned picky!

Modifié par Heidenreich, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[Azzlee]

I'll always remember Jennifer Hale as Junko Zane from Digital Anvils (RIP) Freelancer. She did a fantastic job as Juni in that. Everything she has done I think is brilliant. But, I personally have no problems with Meer. I found him equally as impressive in both ME's.

[happy_daiz]

@Eurhetemec
Yep, you're probably right. Any interaction with Jacob was mediocre, and his VA has been blamed many times for the poor script (the poor guy).

Sometimes it's easy to nitpick the little things like this, and you bring up a good point - there are LOTS of other games out there with godawful dialogue and narration. One that stands out to me was the protagonist in Two Worlds I. "Mayhap, mayhap indeed." Every single scene where he spoke was ridiculously bad.

[Chuvvy]

I don't know why Meer gets so much ****, he's one of the better VAs on the ME team. Why do think they use him for everything? He does all the Vorcha, all the Hanar, some of the Volus (including everyones favorite Biotic God), he does Mordin Solus stand in during the ME3 demo and impersonates him very well, voices a gay elf in DA2 and Werewolves in DAO. Guys got talent but everyone thinks he's bad because his Shepard isn't godtier.

Modifié par Slidell505, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:06 .

[Eurhetemec]

happy_daiz wrote...

@Eurhetemec
Yep, you're probably right. Any interaction with Jacob was mediocre, and his VA has been blamed many times for the poor script (the poor guy).

Sometimes it's easy to nitpick the little things like this, and you bring up a good point - there are LOTS of other games out there with godawful dialogue and narration. One that stands out to me was the protagonist in Two Worlds I. "Mayhap, mayhap indeed." Every single scene where he spoke was ridiculously bad.

Two Worlds 2 isn't much better, but it's gone up from "ARRRGH MY EARS" to "this is kind of crap" at least. What's really sad is when you have real AAA titles like the StarCraft series (or indeed virtually all Blizzard games post-Diablo 2, actually) where it's just terrible acting all round, despite the high-tens or even hundreds of millions being spent on development.

[Chuvvy]

Eurhetemec wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

@Eurhetemec
Yep, you're probably right. Any interaction with Jacob was mediocre, and his VA has been blamed many times for the poor script (the poor guy).

Sometimes it's easy to nitpick the little things like this, and you bring up a good point - there are LOTS of other games out there with godawful dialogue and narration. One that stands out to me was the protagonist in Two Worlds I. "Mayhap, mayhap indeed." Every single scene where he spoke was ridiculously bad.

Two Worlds 2 isn't much better, but it's gone up from "ARRRGH MY EARS" to "this is kind of crap" at least. What's really sad is when you have real AAA titles like the StarCraft series (or indeed virtually all Blizzard games post-Diablo 2, actually) where it's just terrible acting all round, despite the high-tens or even hundreds of millions being spent on development.

Oh god, Two Worlds Two's main VA was terrible, no inflection and you could tell he was faking having a deep voice. I know exactly how to do what he did, you just move your Adams Apple down, hurts after while, so I will give him credit for voiceing an entire game like that.