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I don't think it would alienate users from any platforms if they handled it gracefully.

Well, you can see how the PS owners in this very thread are upset that they have to wait longer to get the DLC. Why do you think users of any other platform wouldn't be just as upset if they were told the same thing, that they have to wait longer to get the DLC?


Because it wouldn't be "PS3 users get it July 26th, everyone else sometime in August." It would just be "Everyone gets it in August." There's a perceived unfairness there otherwise, which is the same reason why PS3 users might be miffed now but might not have been if everyone got it in August, even though their release date wouldn't have been different by a day. Those users who get the delay in my scenario are getting a delay but they're not getting it after anyone else.

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tmp7704 wrote...

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He's obviously the Old God Baby.

I'd say he's obviously a kossith. The forehead is dead giveaway, and quite unlike Architect's while at it.

Surprised no one else pointed it out, yet.

HAwke, I am your father!:whistle:

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tmp7704 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't think it would alienate users from any platforms if they handled it gracefully.

Well, you can see how the PS owners in this very thread are upset that they have to wait longer to get the DLC. Why do you think users of any other platform wouldn't be just as upset if they were told the same thing, that they have to wait longer to get the DLC? I really can't think of any way how they could 'handle it gracefully' --  pople simply don't like to wait, no matter the reasons you offer them.


I think you're looking at this all wrong. What it should be is that they plan for everyone to get the DLC on the same day from the start. PS owners are upset that people are getting it earlier than they are (techically we are. I'm a PS owner).

I would've just made Legacy available in August on all platforms. It wouldn't alienate anyone because then no one is the wiser as to why it's available in August. But obviously it can't be pushed back now because other players have been told that it will be available July 26

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Filament wrote...

Because it wouldn't be "PS3 users get it July 26th, everyone else sometime in August." It would just be "Everyone gets it in August."

And then at some point down the road it'd get out that "The DLC was ready to be released in July, but we pushed it back for PC and Xbox to wait for the PS3". Don't you think quite a few people would get upset then?

Besides this is basically asking a company to give up on profit they can make otherwise -- as the number of people interested in the game gets smaller not bigger as the time goes on. And the few weeks of difference may well mean the difference between sales to people who still toy with DA2, and no sales to the same people who have eventually moved on. Since it's all supposed to be for the sake of "fairness", isn't that quite unfair to ask that from the company, when the cost of it is going to him them, not the player?

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is there a trailer? do we have a link? I'm excited for this one!

Here, only just found it myself.

I wonder if it will only possibly to take with us/encounter the Warden Sibling if this DLC is played post Act I, or if the add-on will also accommodate for the Chantry Sibling.

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Because it wouldn't be "PS3 users get it July 26th, everyone else sometime in August." It would just be "Everyone gets it in August."

And then at some point down the road it'd get out that "The DLC was ready to be released in July, but we pushed it back for PC and Xbox to wait for the PS3". Don't you think quite a few people would get upset then?

Besides this is basically asking a company to give up on profit they can make otherwise -- as the number of people interested in the game gets smaller not bigger as the time goes on. And the few weeks of difference may well mean the difference between sales to people who still toy with DA2, and no sales to the same people who have eventually moved on. Since it's all supposed to be for the sake of "fairness", isn't that quite unfair to ask that from the company, when the cost of it is going to him them, not the player?


It's in the company's best interest that its fans feel the company is treating them fairly.

As far as it 'getting out' is concerned, I think you're making that out to be a bigger deal than it is, like they hatch the plot in some smoke-filled room and oh man heads are going to roll if this ever gets out. It's simply a matter of coordinating the DLC to be released simultaneously on all platforms... if people ask, they don't have to lie, they would just say, yeah, we pushed back the release on some platforms so they'd all be released together. I doubt as big of a deal would be made of it, since no one's getting the 'short end of the stick.'

Like I said, I could be wrong in my solution, and like TEWR said it's too late now anyway, but I do know how they're doing things now is rightfully drawing a fair amount of ire...

Modifié par Filament, 08 juillet 2011 - 04:37 .


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]Yeah. Most their DLC (even LotSB, that everybody gushes over for whatever reason) isn't that long, although they can pack some good gameplay in (although, I think that depends who the designers are; DLC more often gets done by the B and C teams, I think, not the A team that actually made the game, and it can really, really show IMO).


I'm guessing it'll be a solid hour long DLC. Maybe an hour and a half as it seems like there's a lot of stuff to do, and quite possibly a few side quests.


I  was going to ask if they could nudge Fernando to give a cast list. I doubt there would be much dialogue because of the need to get all the VO lined up (my guess it'll just be Nick/Lady Hawke and whatever actor for the antagonist they get from their very small pool of actors they use over and over and over).


Some companions' VAs have made vague hints that they returned for additional recording. Expect Bethany/Carver to have some lines definitely. And considering the nature of the Conductor, who is an intelligent Darkspawn, it's quite possible Anders may say something too. Maybe Varric will have a few lines as well if this has some Cassandra-Varric dialogue, which I would hope so as there wasn't enough of that imo.


I think, tying in to #2, it's unlikely anybody in the game will respond. They don't lightly modify the base campaign (not even to fix it), and they'd have to get the actors back and record them the same way (the last thing you want is different quality or volume or whatever with the drop-in parts, how cheap) and then script it into the game.


I hope since it deals with Hawke's legacy there will be something between Varric and Cassandra.


Worst DLC ever. Ever.

Bring Down the Sky was a triumph compared to that stain. That it could have anything in common is why my first question is who came up with the concept of what Hawke's Lineage: The Real Honest Harsh Truth is going to be.


Warden's Keep's only fault was that we were told we would acquire a fortress and then afterwards we're stuck outside permanently and can't even make use of the damn thing. I mean hell it would've been nice to explore the damn place and see Oghren feasting away in a renovated kitchen, Wynne and Morrigan reading books in the room where we fought the Archivist (who for some reason was a demon), Sten looking out at the mountains, Alistair heading to the barracks.

It had a great story but afterwards it was only good for the storage chest and Starfang.

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Between not getting any Hawke battle dialogue (really hope the next patch fixes this) and having to wait longer than everyone else for the first real DLC, as a PS3 dude I'm really not feeling the love this time around.

Modifié par kyles3, 08 juillet 2011 - 04:41 .


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People upset about Sony releasing content later are upset with Sony, not Bioware. I am currently waiting for Microsoft to release the Fallout New Vegas patch that was released two days ago on PC and PS3.

This is not Obsidian or Bethesda's fault, this is Microsoft's fault. It is always important you know who is to blame before you start blaming!

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Filament wrote...

It's in the company's best interest that its fans feel the company is treating them fairly.

And they are treating the fans fairly -- they are releasing the DLC on each platform as quick as they can. If the fans can't see that... well, that's a problem. But then it's a problem mostly with how these fans choose to look at things, imo.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

the Archivist (who for some reason was a demon)

For no reason. Or rather, because the writer has no idea what Dragon Age is.

None of those demons behaved at all appropriately for Thedas. It was stink. It was stink, and they charged you to suffocate in it.

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The new warrior-exclusive weapon is a two-handed sword?

Seems like there's no love for sword 'n shield users anymore...


That was one of the things in DA2 I made me make a sad face :(.  I just couldn't get the hang of using sword and shield like DAO.  Using the shield in DA2 made my attacks seem really week.  

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meh, i'll pass

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megski wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The new warrior-exclusive weapon is a two-handed sword?

Seems like there's no love for sword 'n shield users anymore...


That was one of the things in DA2 I made me make a sad face :(.  I just couldn't get the hang of using sword and shield like DAO.  Using the shield in DA2 made my attacks seem really week.  


It was a dagger in the demo at the EA thing today. Probably they'll do it like the Qunari weapon in act 3, where it matches whatever you have equipped at the time.

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megski wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The new warrior-exclusive weapon is a two-handed sword?

Seems like there's no love for sword 'n shield users anymore...


That was one of the things in DA2 I made me make a sad face :(.  I just couldn't get the hang of using sword and shield like DAO.  Using the shield in DA2 made my attacks seem really week.  


I think the weapon from the DLC will act like the weapon the Qunari gives you in Act 3. Depending on what you have equipped when you go there.

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Oh I knew that, I meant the sword and shield talent in DA2 didn't work out very well for me. It made me sad because I wanted to continue with that.

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I reckon these Architect-like Darkspawn are the ancient magisters that tainted the Golden City.

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that wouldn't make sense as the Dwarves were the first to encounter the Darkspawn, and the ones they encountered were Genlocks.

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As a PS3 user I'm kind of glad that it's delayed on my console. Gives me time to read reviews and decide whether it's worth the money.

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Filament wrote...

It's in the company's best interest that its fans feel the company is treating them fairly.

As far as it 'getting out' is concerned, I think you're making that out to be a bigger deal than it is, like they hatch the plot in some smoke-filled room and oh man heads are going to roll if this ever gets out. It's simply a matter of coordinating the DLC to be released simultaneously on all platforms... if people ask, they don't have to lie, they would just say, yeah, we pushed back the release on some platforms so they'd all be released together. I doubt as big of a deal would be made of it, since no one's getting the 'short end of the stick.'

Like I said, I could be wrong in my solution, and like TEWR said it's too late now anyway, but I do know how they're doing things now is rightfully drawing a fair amount of ire...


My guess is that they had already submitted everything and planned on everything being released on the 26th, but then Sony's QA guys found some sort of showstopping bug that needed to be fixed on PS3 and it was too late to stop the gears from turning on XBL, so they probably just decided to hold the PS3 date back a week or so, because that's how long it took them to resubmit.

Just a guess though, complete conjecture on my part. :?

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Why justice get out from Anders? No one will be torture mages.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

that wouldn't make sense as the Dwarves were the first to encounter the Darkspawn, and the ones they encountered were Genlocks.


Fair point chum. Still these Architect-like Darkspawn could still have had a hand in it. Just because the dwarves didn't see them, doesn't mean they wasn't there.

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*sexes the DLC*

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sexes? I'm not sure whether to applaud that or be befuddled by it.



I'll applaud it in a befuddled fashion. Or I'll befuddle it in an applausatory fashion.

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So do we know this boss character's name? I saw a couple of pages ago someone mentioned the name "The Conductor". Is this true?


Was just about to ask that myself. Where are you folks getting this "Conductor" name from?



The achievements for the DLC were released early and the one for the final boss, he was referred to as "The Conductor"