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[Insaner Robot]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If you're thinking I meant it changes the base story, that's not what I meant (and you'll be the second person to have thought that. Which confuses me because I thought I what I typed was evident in its meaning ).

I mean that Hawke's decisions in Legacy will have an impact on the future of the series, like the Warden's decision on Avernus' fate. If Avernus lives, he discovers something alarming. Something that causes someone to be bold enough to move against the Wardens.

That's what I mean. Hawke gets to make an actual decision and the end result of that decision won't be the same. It will have different outcomes.

It came across perfectly clear, it's just that some of the people who have played the game seem disappointed the DLC adds to the story rather than continues it.
But we probably can't expect to see any DLC taking place after the main story for some time. Witch Hunt the only DLC explicitly taking place after the main story was the final one for Origins. But all could be played at any point just as this one can.

Personally I'm fine with this and eager to play Legacy. As I'm not expecting any choices to have a big impact untill that distant day when the third game is announced and subsequently released. The choices in the main story have enough of an impact on the story, such as influencing the decisions of your companions throughout their own stories, to make the right choice with a relic or vanish forever, fight an important opponent one on one or as a group or even overall who to side with. (I've tried to be a little vague so as not to write a paragraph of spoilers, if it's too clear tell me and I'll edit it)

Although expecting DLC to change the actual ending of the game is a little unreasonable.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, Awakening definitely happened after DA:O. But as an expansion, it could not be clarified as DLC.

I would LOVE to see an Expansion to DA2. A full, 30 hour+ expansion that can tie a lot of the loose ends or dangling participles people felt during and after Act 3.

[xScarecrowX]

I really want them to have DLC based on the missing years. Yes, content for post campaign would be great, but there are so many oportunities for DLC set during the actual game. That would make me a happy little templar-hater!

[Caldain]

It's a nice thought, Jimmy. But a 30 + hour experience is an actual game not an expansion. To me, an expansion is 10 to 15 hours of gameplay. I don't think you'll see that much new content, not that I wouldn't complain if that's what they released.

[TEWR]

Insaner Robot wrote...

It came across perfectly clear, it's just that some of the people who have played the game seem disappointed the DLC adds to the story rather than continues it.
But we probably can't expect to see any DLC taking place after the main story for some time. Witch Hunt the only DLC explicitly taking place after the main story was the final one for Origins. But all could be played at any point just as this one can.

Don't Awakening and Golems of Amgarrak count as DLC taking place after Origins?

Personally I'm fine with this and eager to play Legacy. As I'm not expecting any choices to have a big impact untill that distant day when the third game is announced and subsequently released. The choices in the main story have enough of an impact on the story, such as influencing the decisions of your companions throughout their own stories, to make the right choice with a relic or vanish forever, fight an important opponent one on one or as a group or even overall who to side with. (I've tried to be a little vague so as not to write a paragraph of spoilers, if it's too clear tell me and I'll edit it)

Although expecting DLC to change the actual ending of the game is a little unreasonable.

I think DLC that takes place after DA2's ending can and should address some of the more ludicrous elements, like Orsino's stunt for pro-mage people.

[Soft Taco]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

It came across perfectly clear, it's just that some of the people who have played the game seem disappointed the DLC adds to the story rather than continues it.
But we probably can't expect to see any DLC taking place after the main story for some time. Witch Hunt the only DLC explicitly taking place after the main story was the final one for Origins. But all could be played at any point just as this one can.

Don't Awakening and Golems of Amgarrak count as DLC taking place after Origins?

Personally I'm fine with this and eager to play Legacy. As I'm not expecting any choices to have a big impact untill that distant day when the third game is announced and subsequently released. The choices in the main story have enough of an impact on the story, such as influencing the decisions of your companions throughout their own stories, to make the right choice with a relic or vanish forever, fight an important opponent one on one or as a group or even overall who to side with. (I've tried to be a little vague so as not to write a paragraph of spoilers, if it's too clear tell me and I'll edit it)

Although expecting DLC to change the actual ending of the game is a little unreasonable.

I think DLC that takes place after DA2's ending can and should address some of the more ludicrous elements, like Orsino's stunt for pro-mage people.

Who cares about plot points and when they took place?

It's a $10 DLC for a garbage game said to last maybe 3 hours and does nothing to fix said garbage game.  You'd have to be a fool to buy this.  You'd be better off buying a patch, which I'm sure EA/Bioware would gladly charge for if they thought thet could get away with it.

PS- Patch 1.3 and more free DLC for The Witcher 2 on its way most likely early next week btw.

[TEWR]

Listen everyone! Do you hear that? It's the sound of a lost troll. Pity him, for he cannot find his favorite bridge as he is blind to the world around him.

[elfdwarf]

Soft Taco what you gives rights judge a game or dlc, no one has that rights
i think dragon age 2 and legacy is just great like other games and dlc

[Melca36]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Listen everyone! Do you hear that? It's the sound of a lost troll. Pity him, for he cannot find his favorite bridge as he is blind to the world around him.

I've pretty much started to ignore the troll posts that are lame attempts to spam the Witcher 2.

Funny how they don't seem to realize that their posts tend to have a reverse effect and make me not interested in the game.

[Insaner Robot]

I don't spend a great deal of time on forums but the last troll I saw (page 25 of this topic) seemed to give up after I didn't rise to his baiting and become antagonistic to him. Is that the best way to deal with trolls?

But I digress.

Well Awakening was an expansion so can't really be classed as downloadable content, and golems was started because the warden recieved a request from Jerrik Dace asking him to help. Whilst it might seem more logical that it should take place after it's ambiguous enough to take place anywhere.

Also while hopefully future DLC can address plot points and character motivation and expand upon them, maybe revealing some answers, it still won't actually change the events of the ending. All it would do is merely colour a persons interpretation of them.

Modifié par Insaner Robot, 19 juillet 2011 - 04:32 .

[Sinuphro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Listen everyone! Do you hear that? It's the sound of a lost troll. Pity him, for he cannot find his favorite bridge as he is blind to the world around him.

no; the troll is right. his opinion reflects the opinion of several dragon age fans. A dlc that does not address the issues people have with dragon age 2 is a useless dlc. what is the point of the dlc if it does not clean up the mistakes that were mentioned in this forum. Bioware feel free to do what you want; however, if we do not like what you produce we will simply not buy the products. That would mean you have wasted resources and money into a dlc that was not bought by your consumers and some of the workers will likely get laid off since they would not be making a profit from the dlc.

[The Earl Of Bronze]

Soft Taco wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

It came across perfectly clear, it's just that some of the people who have played the game seem disappointed the DLC adds to the story rather than continues it.
But we probably can't expect to see any DLC taking place after the main story for some time. Witch Hunt the only DLC explicitly taking place after the main story was the final one for Origins. But all could be played at any point just as this one can.

Don't Awakening and Golems of Amgarrak count as DLC taking place after Origins?

Personally I'm fine with this and eager to play Legacy. As I'm not expecting any choices to have a big impact untill that distant day when the third game is announced and subsequently released. The choices in the main story have enough of an impact on the story, such as influencing the decisions of your companions throughout their own stories, to make the right choice with a relic or vanish forever, fight an important opponent one on one or as a group or even overall who to side with. (I've tried to be a little vague so as not to write a paragraph of spoilers, if it's too clear tell me and I'll edit it)

Although expecting DLC to change the actual ending of the game is a little unreasonable.

I think DLC that takes place after DA2's ending can and should address some of the more ludicrous elements, like Orsino's stunt for pro-mage people.

Who cares about plot points and when they took place?

It's a $10 DLC for a garbage game said to last maybe 3 hours and does nothing to fix said garbage game.  You'd have to be a fool to buy this.  You'd be better off buying a patch, which I'm sure EA/Bioware would gladly charge for if they thought thet could get away with it.

PS- Patch 1.3 and more free DLC for The Witcher 2 on its way most likely early next week btw.

In your opinion.

Still with the W2? You play a fixed character, can't even create your own. Give me DA:2 any day.

[The Earl Of Bronze]

Looking forward to this being released, day 1 purchase for me.

[TEWR]

Sinuphro wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Listen everyone! Do you hear that? It's the sound of a lost troll. Pity him, for he cannot find his favorite bridge as he is blind to the world around him.

no; the troll is right. his opinion reflects the opinion of several dragon age fans. A dlc that does not address the issues people have with dragon age 2 is a useless dlc. what is the point of the dlc if it does not clean up the mistakes that were mentioned in this forum. Bioware feel free to do what you want; however, if we do not like what you produce we will simply not buy the products. That would mean you have wasted resources and money into a dlc that was not bought by your consumers and some of the workers will likely get laid off since they would not be making a profit from the dlc.

Several does not equal all, which is what he was basically saying. He's saying DA2 is definitely garbage, and that nobody should like it, could like it, or would like it. Which is ignoring the fact that people have different opinions. You see, that's the beautiful thing about humanity. Different opinions.

One man's trash is another man's treasure

That does not mean that what is considered to be trash will always be trash if someone else likes it. Even if you took that literally to mean apple cores, it would still be treasure to another man. A homeless man. It means that opinions are different. It means that people are different.

If anything, DA2 is just a mediocre game. But for a game that changed a lot from its predecessor and only had a development of 18 months, it's actually amazing that they were able to make it mediocre. Good amazing, as it means that had they been given maybe 6 more months, the game could've been good. Another year or even another 18 months and it would've been amazing imo (Well lookie here! It's that idea again! Opinions. Such fascinating creatures they are.)

Are there aspects of DA2 that fail? Yes. Are there aspects of DA2 that succeed? Yes. DA2's main problem is that Hawke is as reactive as the Warden when he should've been proactive. His story was meant to be one of being proactive, with **** eventually hitting the fan. That is DA2's biggest failing.

And for the record, unless you're being deliberately obtuse and ignoring what you can plainly see in the demos, they have addressed issues for DA2. New maps, less waves (from what we saw, it's actually no waves), more dialogue with the siblings and Leandra so we can connect to them more, etc.

In fact, I'm getting the feeling that you're a troll as well. Just do me a favor, stay away from the other troll. We don't need any more trolls in this universe, as we're starting to overflow.

Bah what's the point. It's like I'm talking to a wall here.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:02 .

[Sinuphro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Sinuphro wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Listen everyone! Do you hear that? It's the sound of a lost troll. Pity him, for he cannot find his favorite bridge as he is blind to the world around him.

no; the troll is right. his opinion reflects the opinion of several dragon age fans. A dlc that does not address the issues people have with dragon age 2 is a useless dlc. what is the point of the dlc if it does not clean up the mistakes that were mentioned in this forum. Bioware feel free to do what you want; however, if we do not like what you produce we will simply not buy the products. That would mean you have wasted resources and money into a dlc that was not bought by your consumers and some of the workers will likely get laid off since they would not be making a profit from the dlc.

Several does not equal all, which is what he was basically saying. He's saying DA2 is definitely garbage, and that nobody should like it. Which is ignoring the fact that people have different opinions. You see, that's the beautiful thing about humanity. Different opinions.

One man's trash is another man's treasure

That does not mean that what is considered to be trash will always be trash if someone else likes it. Even if you took that literally to mean apple cores, it would still be treasure to another man. A homeless man. It means that opinions are different. It means that people are different.

If anything, DA2 is just a mediocre game. But for a game that changed a lot from its predecessor and only had a development of 18 months, it's actually amazing that they were able to make it mediocre. Good amazing, as it means that had they been given maybe 6 more months, the game could've been good. Another year or even another 18 months and it would've been amazing imo (Well lookie here! It's that idea again! Opinions. Such fascinating creatures they are.)

Are there aspects of DA2 that fail? Yes. Are there aspects of DA2 that succeed? Yes. DA2's main problem is that Hawke is as reactive as the Warden when he should've been proactive. His story was meant to be one of being proactive, with **** eventually hitting the fan. That is DA2's biggest failing.

And for the record, unless you're being deliberately obtuse and ignoring what you can plainly see in the demos, they have addressed issues for DA2. New maps, less waves (from what we saw, it's actually no waves), more dialogue with the siblings and Leandra so we can connect to them more, etc.

In fact, I'm getting the feeling that you're a troll as well. Just do me a favor, stay away from the other troll. We don't need any more trolls in this universe, as we're starting to overflow.

Bah what's the point. It's like I'm talking to a wall here.

fine; if thats the case, i'm a troll as well but...a troll with insight. look at world of warcraft...if the devs there refuse to listen to their customers you think that company would still be alive today?? there are several companies that refused to listen to their customers and end up seeing their profits and their company go down hill.

remember square enix? think about it...final fantasy games used to be straight buy games...but they stopped listening to their customers. now look at them, their profits have dropped considerably. there are several other companies that do online mmos; the same or even worse fate met them.

people are trolling because they care! if they did not care then they would complain, leave the forums, and then tell all their other friends their negative experiences with bioware. through word of mouth tons of people would get the information and eventually it will reflect on bioware's sales. 1st rule of business...the customer is always right.

the fact that at least 40% of dragon age's fan base are crying foul is a big red flag that the company has gone in the wrong direction for dragon age. realistically...if they do not correct the major problems with the game they may as well just quit the dragon age series because they will eat heavy losses in the future. this is not an advice...its a prediction; a very accurate one.

Modifié par Sinuphro, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:05 .

[TEWR]

people are trolling because they care! if they did not care then they would complain, leave the forums, and then tell all their other friends their negative experiences with bioware. through word of mouth tons of people would get the information and eventually it will reflect on bioware's sales. 1st rule of business...the customer is always right.

The customer is not always right.

http://positiveshari...stomer-service/

Read that.

the fact that at least 40% of dragon age's fan base are crying foul is a big red flag that the company has gone in the wrong direction for dragon age. realistically...if they do not correct the major problems with the game they may as well just quit the dragon age series because they will eat heavy losses in the future. this is not an advice...its a prediction; a very accurate one.

Where did you pull 40% from?

And what's the wrong direction for Dragon Age? What? Faster combat that's responsive? Voiced protagonist? Seriously what? Is this about Origins being the spiritual successor?

Origins was called a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, not the entire series. If the entire series was going to be the spiritual successor to BG, they would've said "The Dragon Age series is going to be the spiritual successor to BG".

Also, a spiritual successor takes elements from a certain other piece of fiction. Not all, some. Sometimes its many. But never all (at least not that I know of)

If anything, most of these issues for the old school gamers can be addressed by very minor, but nevertheless crucial, added designs.

Voiced protagonist? Add in a toggle for voice to turn it on or off. Personally, I find that a voiced protagonist helps me roleplay my characters better, though for my own reasons that no one else has as their own.

Combat is too easy? Improve the ****ty AI that was present in both games.

Reactive protagonist (something Origins had and DA2 unfortunately has)? Give him the option to be proactive.

Lack of origins? Oh wait, Bioware said they haven't gotten rid of the idea of origins yet. Dragon Age is about Thedas, not one singular character all the time. There will be games where you play as a set protagonist or as a protagonist where you can pick the origins.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:37 .

[MrProliferation]

I have no problem with DA2 haters. They are entitled to their opinions. However, there are plenty of DA2 haters on these forums who are all about "OMG DA2 is the worst game ever and anyone who likes it must have severe head injuries and/or is not a true RPG fan. All true RPG fans must hate DA2, anyone who buys any DLC for DA2 is an enemy of true RPGs, anyone who defends DA2 is a brainless fanboy who has never played a true RPG, etc. etc.etc." The arguments go along that line. As someone who likes DA2, even with its flaws, I can't help but notice that the undercurrent of this is not that the anti-DA2 trolls just hate the game, they suggest that liking the game is some sort of character flaw and turn it into a kind of personal attack against all of us who merely enjoy the game.

[Sinuphro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

people are trolling because they care! if they did not care then they would complain, leave the forums, and then tell all their other friends their negative experiences with bioware. through word of mouth tons of people would get the information and eventually it will reflect on bioware's sales. 1st rule of business...the customer is always right.

The customer is not always right.

http://positiveshari...stomer-service/

Read that.

the fact that at least 40% of dragon age's fan base are crying foul is a big red flag that the company has gone in the wrong direction for dragon age. realistically...if they do not correct the major problems with the game they may as well just quit the dragon age series because they will eat heavy losses in the future. this is not an advice...its a prediction; a very accurate one.

Where did you pull 40% from?

And what's the wrong direction for Dragon Age? What? Faster combat that's responsive? Voiced protagonist? Seriously what? Is this about Origins being the spiritual successor?

Origins was called a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, not the entire series. If the entire series was going to be the spiritual successor to BG, they would've said "The Dragon Age series is going to be the spiritual successor to BG".

Also, a spiritual successor takes elements from a certain other piece of fiction. Not all, some. Sometimes its many. But never all.

If anything, most of these issues for the old school gamers can be addressed by very minor, but nevertheless crucial, added designs.

Voiced protagonist? Add in a toggle for voice to turn it on or off. Personally, I find that a voiced protagonist helps me roleplay my characters better, though for my own reasons that no one else has as their own.

Combat is too easy? Improve the ****ty AI that was present in both games.

Reactive protagonist (something Origins had and DA2 unfortunately has)? Give him the option to be proactive.

Lack of origins? Oh wait, Bioware said they haven't gotten rid of the idea of origins yet. Dragon Age is about Thedas, not one singular character all the time. There will be games where you play as a set protagonist or as a protagonist where you can pick the origins.

I can list a bunch of companies that listen to their customers and reap great profits. Can you list 5 companies that ignore their customers that are successful?

As regards the statics of that 40%...the percentage may even be more. If you do not believe me feel free to check the polls on this site. As regards how people feel about dragon age 2 and they way things are headed.

For me, the action and the waves were not my problem...honestly I enjoyed the challenge from the waves and I liked the new combat system more. What the majority of people are complaining about is the fact that the story is rigid, players are forced to follow the rigid story. We also saw loop holes in the story where players could take options to save or kill people but the game makers intentionally cut off those options because they were in a rush to deliver to their customers a badly produced game so they could make a profit. Also, I am sure you noticed as well that all the major decisions we made in our previous dragon age save files were pretty much made useless in dragon age 2.  They pretty much used the brand name of dragon age to market us trash. 

[MrProliferation]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

people are trolling because they care! if they did not care then they would complain, leave the forums, and then tell all their other friends their negative experiences with bioware. through word of mouth tons of people would get the information and eventually it will reflect on bioware's sales. 1st rule of business...the customer is always right.

The customer is not always right.

http://positiveshari...stomer-service/

Read that.

Also read this: http://notalwaysright.com/

Modifié par MrProliferation, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:44 .

[TEWR]

lol that was actually the first link I went to.

[TEWR]

Not to rain on your parade new troll, but I've never once called DA2 a great game. It's mediocre. But I like it for its merits. In fact, I hate the mentality of "we gained a lot of new fans" and "people just need to learn to accept our innovations".

I've said many times over on these forums that DA2's concept for a story was great, but Bioware failed to pull it off and so it's a horrible implementation of a story. Thus, DA2 is mediocre.

But I guess a troll whose intellect is that of a dinner plate wouldn't know that, as he doesn't bother to do his research on posters before making himself look like an ass.

[TEWR]

Yeah what of it? The DLC looked like it improved some issues that DA2 had, and the story interests me.

I'm not just buying it to play it. My nephew and I run our own review site, so I need to buy it and review it as I'm doing the DA2 review. Or does that still make me a fanboy?

Once again, by assuming things and not bothering to do research on the people you're talking to, you have shown that you have the IQ of a dinner plate.

I stand corrected. Your IQ is less than that of a dinner plate.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 juillet 2011 - 02:06 .

[TEWR]

Actually no, it's a legit website. I shouldn't have to justify myself to a troll like you, but if I don't it will be seen as evidence by your idiotic self that the website is nonexistent. Yet if I post the link, that's just giving you another place to troll because you have no other way to occupy your time except by trolling. It's sad how you think it makes you superior to other people when really it just makes you look like a sad, pathetic, little man who has no life.

So here you go. Proof of our website. Even if you do troll, you'll eventually find out that your attempts at trolling pale in comparison to the trolling of other people, as we have dealt with trolls before. And we have even trolled before. I once walked into a bank with a bunch of friends and we were all wearing trollface masks. When we got told to take them off, we said "Problem?". I once put a bunch of trollfaces on the ceiling of a mall and went to the mall early in the morning. Then, I got everyone to look up at the trollfaces.

However, we just started this website a week or so ago, so we only have one review up currently. Is that sad? Sure, maybe.

http://videogamereviewking.webs.com/

Whether you troll there or not, it matters little. As you have validated my point of your IQ being incredibly small. So cry little troll. Cry. We shall pity you, for you cannot find your favorite bridge and are blind to the world around you.



EDIT: Devs and mods, I'm ceasing talking to this creature with a very miniscule intellect right now, as I haven't had any sleep for almost 24 hours. That's what is causing me to unleash my inner angry self.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[tuppence95]

This is interesting. Bioware must have an amazing power to exert such a hold on people who hate the game, preventing them from moving on with their lives. Not only can't they move on to find something that they can enjoy, they are also compelled to keep making new accounts, so they can spend even more time fixated on hating this game. This is really unfair, Bioware! You need to release these poor people!

Looking forward to Legacy. I'm scrambling this week to try to free up some time to play next week.