Envor44 wrote...
Not that big deal but it's just me or the design....very similar to LOTR trolls(copy, in fact), BioWare better come some lore explanation about Genlocks Alpha huge size though.
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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Filament wrote...
..Source?
people base that around the fact that the emissaries have pointy ears like elves.
And if they are indeed Hurlock emissaries, Bioware failed big time.
Interestingly, the emissary model is actually named "shriek."
Aaleel wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
The mage teleportation thing has been explained as the fault of bad implementation of a move that allows the mage to slow down time.
Rogues should've just thrown a smoke bomb that covered a good portion of the field.
Bioware did lay out rules for their world, but the specifics on the rules regarding Genlock Alpha height were never given. As such, we'll have to wait to see if the Genlock Alpha is taller than a Hurlock.
Hawke however is a short human so he can't be used to compare. But the fact that a Genlock Alpha is the same height as Hawke means that most humans will be taller than an Alpha.
Bad implementation lol. You mean no implementation. Even if it was a move that slowed down time you still should have been able to see the mage moving, something like a Matrix blur of a bunch of images of the mage.
So because it doesn't say how high they are that proves they can't be that high? I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.Aaleel wrote...
Key words. Tallest of their kind. You can be the tallest kid in the class but that doesn't mean that you're twice as big or more than the other kids, it just means you're the tallest.
Filament wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Filament wrote...
..Source?
people base that around the fact that the emissaries have pointy ears like elves.
And if they are indeed Hurlock emissaries, Bioware failed big time.
Interestingly, the emissary model is actually named "shriek."
Well if they are truly elves then, that does beg the question of why every darkspawn species except hurlocks is hulking out now in terms of size.
Theagg wrote...
Yep, it was an effect they failed to add, as they said, but even so, lets imagine no effect was added. No, you would not neccessarily be able to see them move. It depends on the relative speed of their motion.
After all, you would not be able to see a bullet traversing across your line of sight, or even a supersonic missile. AAs it was in WW2, the slower travelling V1 Doodlebug could be seen with the eye.
The much faster V2 could not be seen, despite its size. The first you knew about that was when it basically hit you.
So it could be for fast moving mages and rogues. You just can't see them, not even a blur.
asindre wrote...
So because it doesn't say how high they are that proves they can't be that high? I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.Aaleel wrote...
Key words. Tallest of their kind. You can be the tallest kid in the class but that doesn't mean that you're twice as big or more than the other kids, it just means you're the tallest.
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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
And that's still an "if." Just because the model is named as such doesn't mean that it is as such lore-wise.
Aaleel wrote...
asindre wrote...
So because it doesn't say how high they are that proves they can't be that high? I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.Aaleel wrote...
Key words. Tallest of their kind. You can be the tallest kid in the class but that doesn't mean that you're twice as big or more than the other kids, it just means you're the tallest.
Why, you have an average size, high end of the scale and low end of the scale. They're the high end of the scale as far as size. We've seen dwarves and we've seen alphas in the first game. I don't recall ever seeing a dwarf or any type of genlock that size. So I don't how the statement is stupid.
Aaleel wrote...
Theagg wrote...
Yep, it was an effect they failed to add, as they said, but even so, lets imagine no effect was added. No, you would not neccessarily be able to see them move. It depends on the relative speed of their motion.
After all, you would not be able to see a bullet traversing across your line of sight, or even a supersonic missile. AAs it was in WW2, the slower travelling V1 Doodlebug could be seen with the eye.
The much faster V2 could not be seen, despite its size. The first you knew about that was when it basically hit you.
So it could be for fast moving mages and rogues. You just can't see them, not even a blur.
They're not moving faster though. The mages are slowing down time, so you would be able to see them moving. They're not stopping time, moving around and then starting time again so it looks like they teleported, they're just slowing time with some sort of spell.
Rogues really have no excuse.
Modifié par Theagg, 08 juillet 2011 - 12:45 .
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
asindre wrote...
So because it doesn't say how high they are that proves they can't be that high? I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.Aaleel wrote...
Key words. Tallest of their kind. You can be the tallest kid in the class but that doesn't mean that you're twice as big or more than the other kids, it just means you're the tallest.
Why, you have an average size, high end of the scale and low end of the scale. They're the high end of the scale as far as size. We've seen dwarves and we've seen alphas in the first game. I don't recall ever seeing a dwarf or any type of genlock that size. So I don't how the statement is stupid.
IIRC Genlock Alphas in Origins actually weren't any taller because the game never showed it as such. The lore on them only told us. Alphas were the same size as grunts.
That's not proof that Genlock Alphas can't be as tall as they are now. It's proof that Bioware forgot to show the difference between grunts and alphas in terms of height.
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David Gaider wrote...
The main purpose behind the ban on teleportation with regards to magic is actually to prevent two things: distance as being irrelevant and obstacles being easily surmountable. Gameplay often dictates that, in order to employ any kind of obstacle in a setting where teleportation exists, you need to create some kind of hand-wave in order to make it happen ("tachyon interference in the atmosphere has rendered the transporters inoperable!").
Technically speaking, what the mages in DA2 are doing breaks neither of these rules-- the mages are jumping between two spots but are neither traveling nor passing through obstacles. It's not supposed to be literal teleportation, either. The idea was to have a visual effect that travels between the spot where they disappear and the spot where they reappear... they're moving very quickly.
But that effect never got implemented, and thus the result really looks like literal teleportation. Which makes me unhappy. With any luck I'll have this fixed in the future as, no, mages are not actually breaking the cardinal rule.
Filament wrote...
According to DG they are moving faster, I've never seen him say anything about "slowing down time":David Gaider wrote...
The main purpose behind the ban on teleportation with regards to magic is actually to prevent two things: distance as being irrelevant and obstacles being easily surmountable. Gameplay often dictates that, in order to employ any kind of obstacle in a setting where teleportation exists, you need to create some kind of hand-wave in order to make it happen ("tachyon interference in the atmosphere has rendered the transporters inoperable!").
Technically speaking, what the mages in DA2 are doing breaks neither of these rules-- the mages are jumping between two spots but are neither traveling nor passing through obstacles. It's not supposed to be literal teleportation, either. The idea was to have a visual effect that travels between the spot where they disappear and the spot where they reappear... they're moving very quickly.
But that effect never got implemented, and thus the result really looks like literal teleportation. Which makes me unhappy. With any luck I'll have this fixed in the future as, no, mages are not actually breaking the cardinal rule.
MorrigansLove wrote...
Lore has been ruined...AGAIN! Thanks, Bioware. Seriously.
Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
That's an awfully big Genlock, given they originate from Dwarves, ... and not Qunari as their build may implicate ...
daemon1129 wrote...
If thats a Alpha Genlock, I want to see the size of a Hurlock Alpha or an Ogre Alpha...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Aaleel wrote...
Why, you have an average size, high end of the scale and low end of the scale. They're the high end of the scale as far as size. We've seen dwarves and we've seen alphas in the first game. I don't recall ever seeing a dwarf or any type of genlock that size. So I don't how the statement is stupid.
IIRC Genlock Alphas in Origins actually weren't any taller because the game never showed it as such. The lore on them only told us. Alphas were the same size as grunts.
That's not proof that Genlock Alphas can't be as tall as they are now. It's proof that Bioware forgot to show the difference between grunts and alphas in terms of height.
Modifié par Theagg, 08 juillet 2011 - 10:59 .
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