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[Keatons]

In the Jack v Morinth argument, Jack kills because it improves her chances of survival, and it's usually against those who have actually done something to ****** her off. Morinth kills because she gets off on the 'thrill of the hunt' almost as much as she does the actual mind dismantling sex, not to mention believeing she is the 'genetic future of the asari' despite being even more infertile than the krogan. So I'm going to go with Morinth being more insane.

[wilhelm Screamer]

Does anyone else find it funny that Shepard, who leaps at the change to shoot people's faces clean off and regularly partakes in violence, feels the need to cringe/avert his(/her) eys when Samara falcon paunches Morinth in the face.

I plan to save Morinth next time just to get her power and then reload to make sure she is dead.

Modifié par wilhelm Screamer, 29 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[sg1fan75]

I helped kill Morinth she is evil pure and simple.

[pablodurando]

I save Morinth in every single of my playthroughs for the following reason

1.Samara is just as evil, she just has a veil of justice on her. Samara will kill anyone who disobeys her code, and the code isn't completely known. What we do know is that the code leaves no room for middle ground to spare someone, so in my opinion she is more dangerous. The lines between malevolent and benevolent are blurry by all standards, so IMO she is a cold blooded killer. On top of that no one would dare stop a justicar so she's free to do as the code sees fit. Morinth on the other hand may be just as dangerous, but chances are she'll be taken down before Samara will be taken down.

2.I have empathy for Morinth, being born with a super disease and being forced to either die or go to prison for life, that is despicable IMO. If I were in Morinth's situation then why wouldn't I want to escape. She is a tragic figure, born into the galaxy and predetermined to be evil by other people's standards. Why wouldn't I want to help her just as I would help a patient who was born with polio? It is just my own moral standards that help me sympathize with Morinth.

3.As was said earlier, Bioware want's you to think murdering Samara was the wrong thing, no matter if you are Paragon or Renegade. They leave no middle ground for Morinth to actually be cured in the future. This is my biggest pet peeve with the mass effect series. They make it very one sided, so I say F them. I know what the right decision is based on my criteria of my morals. I don't want them to force me into a decision like this.

4.She's actually loyal to Shepard. Samara is still bounded to her code so who knows what she will do after the me2. Morinth volunteered, she wasn't forced, she has no emotional issues and doesn't require a loyalty mission like the rest of the crew and she's genuinely interested in Shepard. Morinth is more loyal and easy to control than Samara.

F Samara, go team Morinth.

[ladyvader]

She is dead in all of my games.  Even the one where I let her kill Samara.  Because everyone died on that playthrough.  Even Sheploo.

[mellifera]

I like Morinth a lot more than Samara, but I only saved her once. I play too many goody-two shoes so it'd be way out of character for them to spare her over Samara.

[FullmetalJ]

I think like Samara, so much that I disagree with her killing Morinth.
"She is a tragic figure, but not a sympathetic one"
I disagreed.
I originally planned to kill her, but once I got in there, resisted her and she said the lines: "I can't stop being your daughter, mother!" I relooked the situation.

She was going to be killed for what she was, I killed thousands of Mercs for just doing their job, so is her killing one person every blue moon that bad?

Hell, Samara kills people for waving a parking fine, or littering: "YOU HAVE DONE THE ENVIROMENT AN INJUSTICE!" Which would make her body count higher than Morinth's.

[Goneaviking]

Quole wrote...

1. Jack didnt just kill people because she had to, she enjoyed it. Therefor, by your logic, shes crazy.  Did you not read what I said?
2. No, being insane is not mandatory for being a serial killer. The definition of a serial killer is not `someone whos insane and kills people.` Morinth is just a sociapath
3. Yes, I am saying Jack is crazy. Justified maybe, but still a little crazy.
4. Morinth MAY be crazy, but theres no real evidence for that. We DO have evidence that shes a sociopath. Or just evil. But not necessarily crazy.

1. Jack was conditioned to kill by a cruel and unforgiving world. She was made to fight gladiatorial deathmatches against other biotic children; when she killed children, guards and scientists to escape she believed they were attacking her and it was to escape a life of perpetual torture and abuse. She seems to like the violence, but she doesn't kill for pleasure or she wouldn't have spared nutso on her loyalty mission.

By contrast Morinth does kill for her pleasure. Although I empathise with her decision to flee instead of being imprisoned for the rest of her 1000 year lifespan, she made her own decision to start killing once she knew what she was. It would have been infinitely safer not to leave a trail of corpses behind her, indeed if she hadn't then Shepherd and Samara would never have found her on Omega.

2. True, legal insanity is not required to for an individual to become a serial killer. One can enjoy horrible acts and still recognise they are wrong and disfunctional. However sociopathy is a mental illness.

3. Jack is emotional disfunctional and has a warped worldview, but it's a rational one given the experiences she's survived. Paranoid and aggressive absolutely, but she's still in touch with the simulated reality that is Mass Effect 2.

4. I agree, there's no evidence to support a claim that Morinth is crazy. She does however seem to be very immature as evidenced by her argument with Samara in the apartment, and the way she adopts the posture of a victim/messiah as if she had no control over her own destiny.

Also, she enjoys seducing talented and attractive people to their death, studiously avoiding any target she considers potentially threatening. That is to say she's a thoroughly unpleasant person to be around unless she's tickling your bits.

She's never survived Samara's loyalty mission in my games, although I'd be interested in acquiring her unique power for followup playthroughs I truly don't feel any temptation to side with her over Samara.

[Goneaviking]

pablodurando wrote...

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4.She's actually loyal to Shepard. Samara is still bounded to her code so who knows what she will do after the me2. Morinth volunteered, she wasn't forced, she has no emotional issues and doesn't require a loyalty mission like the rest of the crew and she's genuinely interested in Shepard. Morinth is more loyal and easy to control than Samara.

She may become loyal to Shepherd, but don't kid yourself about being a volunteer. She offered to join Shep's crew because the alternative was dying. As loyal as she may become, she remains willing to gamble Shepherd's life on the offchance he's strong enough to survive her mating rite.

Perhaps she'll come good in ME3, I'll leave that possibility open for Bioware even though I don't think I'll see it. It'd be nice for her fans if she developed beyond her death-fetish-thrill-killer characterisation.

[Clonedzero]

yeah, ive never recruited her either, i honestly cant think of a single logical reason he'd actually recruit her. being able to recruit her makes absolutely no sense to the point it actually REALLY bugs me that you can.

[D.Kain]

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, ive never recruited her either, i honestly cant think of a single logical reason he'd actually recruit her. being able to recruit her makes absolutely no sense to the point it actually REALLY bugs me that you can.

Why don't people listen to others? Maybe YOU didn't come up with any good reasons to choose Morinth, but didn't you read a lot of interesting and valid points on these forums? 

( no rage here, just interested )

[D.Kain]

Goneaviking wrote...

She may become loyal to Shepherd, but don't kid yourself about being a volunteer. She offered to join Shep's crew because the alternative was dying.

That was before Samara was dead. Morinth became a volunteer when she didn't biotic smash my Shepward into the wall and left, when Samara was dead, and Shepard had no armor or weapons. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 01 août 2011 - 01:09 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

I think it would be easier to let Morinth live, if we hadn't found out about Nef. I chose her over Samara one time, but didn't really feel too good about it.

But I'd still like to see her again in ME3.

[stysiaq]

1. Do it for the lulz.
2. Samara wouldn't put out as well, so why not.
3. Samara could turn against my renegade.

[Dariustwinblade]

I recruted Morinth and sent her into the vent. Guess what happened to her.

[Taesuun]

Recruiting Morinth is one of the few decisions in both ME1 and ME2 that are truly evil, and it has more to do with Shep's actions in that scene than Morinth herself. Think about it, Shephard acts to help Samara with her mission, only to blatantly murder her, his own crew member, in cold blood in the end. Who would trust his back at him if that ever got out? Only thing that I can think that comes even close to this is killing Zaeed, but I never killed him myself, so don't know the details of that.

As the game doesn't really have many similar choices for evil acts, it never felt to be in Shephards character to kill Samara, even as renegade. Did that once to see the content though.

Modifié par Taesuun, 01 août 2011 - 05:20 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Dominate is an amazing power.

[Keatons]

pablodurando wrote...

I save Morinth in every single of my playthroughs for the following reason

1.Samara is just as evil, she just has a veil of justice on her. Samara will kill anyone who disobeys her code, and the code isn't completely known. What we do know is that the code leaves no room for middle ground to spare someone, so in my opinion she is more dangerous. The lines between malevolent and benevolent are blurry by all standards, so IMO she is a cold blooded killer. On top of that no one would dare stop a justicar so she's free to do as the code sees fit. Morinth on the other hand may be just as dangerous, but chances are she'll be taken down before Samara will be taken down.

Um, what? It's clearly said that while Samara will kill anyone she views as 'corrupt', that being vague, as you said, it's also clearly stated that she would die for an innocent person, wheras Morinth would simply kill him/her for fun. Which is another thing tyhat seperates them, Samara kills to cleanse corruption and evil where Morinth kills becuase it feels good and she enjoys it.

pablodurando wrote...

2.I have empathy for Morinth, being born with a super disease and being forced to either die or go to prison for life, that is despicable IMO. If I were in Morinth's situation then why wouldn't I want to escape. She is a tragic figure, born into the galaxy and predetermined to be evil by other people's standards. Why wouldn't I want to help her just as I would help a patient who was born with polio? It is just my own moral standards that help me sympathize with Morinth.

You're right, if a normal person gets the choice of imprisonment or death, it makes sense, however Morinth has an addictive condition that causes her to enjoy killing random strangers through sex, and last I checked, leading people on with your looks and then killing them is evil however you look at it, and harldy fits the description of a 'tragic' character. And your polio scenario makes little since the simple of having polio doesn't make someone turn into a serial killer.

pablodurando wrote...

3.As was said earlier, Bioware want's you to think murdering Samara was the wrong thing, no matter if you are Paragon or Renegade. They leave no middle ground for Morinth to actually be cured in the future. This is my biggest pet peeve with the mass effect series. They make it very one sided, so I say F them. I know what the right decision is based on my criteria of my morals. I don't want them to force me into a decision like this.

How do you cure a 400 year long addiction? (I think that's the time that Samara has been chasing Morinth) You can't lock her up because she'll just go even more insane, you can't rehab her because she'll just seduce and kill anyone there, and even if you could fix the genetic marker that caused it, her body has most likely developed a physical need for it by now.

pablodurando wrote...


4.She's actually loyal to Shepard. Samara is still bounded to her code so who knows what she will do after the me2. Morinth volunteered, she wasn't forced, she has no emotional issues and doesn't require a loyalty mission like the rest of the crew and she's genuinely interested in Shepard. Morinth is more loyal and easy to control than Samara.

F Samara, go team Morinth.

The same question could be asked of Morinth after ME2, odds are she'll just go back to her killing spree and more than likely, be even bolder about it until the Asari send a new Justicar after her. And as Samara is still bound to her code as a Justicar, Morinth is still bound by her desires as an AY.

Modifié par Keatons, 01 août 2011 - 06:31 .

[BatmanPWNS]

I only picked her on one of my playthrough for the results in ME3. I would never trust her in reality.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 01 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[D.Kain]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I would never trust her in reality.

Lol. That's actually one of the only reasons to pick her. It might be evil and selfish to pick Morinth, but you can trust her more than the majority of your squad, if not all of it.

Modifié par D.Kain, 01 août 2011 - 10:06 .

[Goneaviking]

D.Kain wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

She may become loyal to Shepherd, but don't kid yourself about being a volunteer. She offered to join Shep's crew because the alternative was dying.

That was before Samara was dead. Morinth became a volunteer when she didn't biotic smash my Shepward into the wall and left, when Samara was dead, and Shepard had no armor or weapons. 

She carried through on her offer which is nice, but the offer was only made because her life was in the balance. She's closer to a conscript than to a volunteer, even if she could have easily killed Shepherd after Samara's death and escaped to carry on with her life.

[LOLandStuff]

D.Kain wrote...

Lol. That's actually one of the only reasons to pick her. It might be evil and selfish to pick Morinth, but you can trust her more than the majority of your squad, if not all of it.

The mind boggles.

[D.Kain]

Goneaviking wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

She may become loyal to Shepherd, but don't kid yourself about being a volunteer. She offered to join Shep's crew because the alternative was dying.

That was before Samara was dead. Morinth became a volunteer when she didn't biotic smash my Shepward into the wall and left, when Samara was dead, and Shepard had no armor or weapons. 

She carried through on her offer which is nice, but the offer was only made because her life was in the balance. She's closer to a conscript than to a volunteer, even if she could have easily killed Shepherd after Samara's death and escaped to carry on with her life.

I think that Morinth just undestands the mutual back-scratching very well, which is very nice.