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#76
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Lol. That's actually one of the only reasons to pick her. It might be evil and selfish to pick Morinth, but you can trust her more than the majority of your squad, if not all of it.


The mind boggles.


Morinth is not tied by relationships with other people and society norms, which means that she doesn't care what Shepard does, and that she won't abandon him in any situation, since she is bound to him with gratefulness, lust and search for danger. 

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Keatons wrote...

Um, what? It's clearly said that while Samara will kill anyone she views as 'corrupt', that being vague, as you said, it's also clearly stated that she would die for an innocent person, wheras Morinth would simply kill him/her for fun. Which is another thing that seperates them, Samara kills to cleanse corruption and evil where Morinth kills becuase it feels good and she enjoys it.


If the line is vague then they could both be considered as unreasonable killers.  I honestly view Samara just as dangerous as Morinth.  As I said chances are that Morinth will be hunted and killed before Samara would because Samara has the title justicar which protects her.

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You're right, if a normal person gets the choice of imprisonment or death, it makes sense, however Morinth has an addictive condition that causes her to enjoy killing random strangers through sex, and last I checked, leading people on with your looks and then killing them is evil however you look at it, and harldy fits the description of a 'tragic' character. And your polio scenario makes little since the simple of having polio doesn't make someone turn into a serial killer.


The point I was trying to make is that everyone deserves free will.  Who are you, who am I to definitively say what is evil.  If she wants to be free then let her be free, it is her life.  Why I call her tragic is because she was born with a disease that forced her to do something that was socially 'evil'.  Either she gives up free will, or she is hated by all, that sounds tragic.

Keatons  wrote...

How do you cure a 400 year long addiction? (I think that's the time that Samara has been chasing Morinth) You can't lock her up because she'll just go even more insane, you can't rehab her because she'll just seduce and kill anyone there, and even if you could fix the genetic marker that caused it, her body has most likely developed a physical need for it by now.


Why are you associating what is most likely a mental condition with the physical necessities of the body?  The addiction is caused by her disease, so logically cure the disease and she will be 'freed' per say.  The consequences though can't be predicted.

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The same question could be asked of Morinth after ME2, odds are she'll just go back to her killing spree and more than likely, be even bolder about it until the Asari send a new Justicar after her. And as Samara is still bound to her code as a Justicar, Morinth is still bound by her desires as an AY.


Morinth bounding isn't the same as Samara's code.  While she may have to feed she still is not bounded by a code that cold prevent Samara from joining a Renegade Shepard's squad.  She finds Shepard genuinly intersting and I for on do not believe that she wouldn't stay with Shepard considering her believing he's the only one strong enough to survive melding with her.

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There is no logical decision in saving someone who saves someone who enjoys murder.

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ThePwener wrote...

There is no logical decision in saving someone who saves someone who enjoys murder.


Yes there is.

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pablodurando wrote...

Yes there is.


And that's the kind of (dumb) ideals what disappoints me in these forums. I've had this discussion so many times. Tell the same dilemma to someone outside of the internet who knows nothing of Mass Effect and you'll see how quickly they'll say "What is wrong with you? That's sick".

I won't even bother with this thread. So much blind ignorance.

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ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Yes there is.


And that's the kind of (dumb) ideals what disappoints me in these forums. I've had this discussion so many times. Tell the same dilemma to someone outside of the internet who knows nothing of Mass Effect and you'll see how quickly they'll say "What is wrong with you? That's sick".

I won't even bother with this thread. So much blind ignorance.


Yep, and you're displaing the blind ignorance.  Do the words objective morality mean anything to you?

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pablodurando wrote...

Yep, and you're displaing the blind ignorance.  Do the words objective morality mean anything to you?


So in the ME universal culture.... murder can be right? Even Aria frowned on Morinth's actions. You seriously don't know what you're saying.

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ThePwener wrote...

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Yep, and you're displaing the blind ignorance.  Do the words objective morality mean anything to you?


So in the ME universal culture.... murder can be right? Even Aria frowned on Morinth's actions. You seriously don't know what you're saying.


I guess you don't know what objective morals are.

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Your saying that murdering others is acceptable to sustain one's self at some point in future history. Such case is not the one with Morinth. She was imprisoned like a monk by the Asari for a reason. It was that, or death.

ie. they did not want her doing it. ie. NOT ACCEPTABLE. Shepard saing her is plain evil.

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ThePwener wrote...

Your saying that murdering others is acceptable to sustain one's self at some point in future history. Such case is not the one with Morinth. She was imprisoned like a monk by the Asari for a reason. It was that, or death.

ie. they did not want her doing it. ie. NOT ACCEPTABLE. Shepard saing her is plain evil.


Objective morals...:whistle:

Free will...:whistle:

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K, I dunno whats going on but here's my 2 cents. If you saved Samara, its basically because you're paragon and want a justicar as your buddy. She wont harm you if you're good, but if you're a renegade, most people chose Morinth as she'll fit into your crew better.

The only problem I see with Morinth is when you try to romance her and Shep's face turns all "dawudbawidupbaiubacwa," and she just smiles at my now rotting corpse. I'm sure she's grateful towards Shepard for saving her, but her lust for power and dominance makes her enjoy killing more even than the average Renegade Shep. There's no wrong choice as its your Shep.

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pablodurando wrote...
Objective morals...:whistle:

Free will...:whistle:


Fine, I'll say it  Image IPB


You're an idiot  Image IPB

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ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...
Objective morals...:whistle:

Free will...:whistle:


Fine, I'll say it  Image IPB


You're an idiot  Image IPB


Unable to come up with a plausible defense for your position huh.   And I'm the idiot.

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pablodurando wrote...

Unable to come up with a plausible defense for your position huh.   And I'm the idiot.


Oh yeah, I respond with 2 defense arguments and you respond with 2 phrases that mean NOTHING plus smileys.

Unbelivable.

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Aloren wrote...

I recruited her only once. Mostly because that was the fist time I had enough Ren/Par points to be able to choose, and I had no idea it was even possible, so I was like "no way... have to try this...".

It's also interesting to remember that both can be alive if you fail to get Morinth to take you to her apartment.

I'm curious... When was it necessary to have to have a high enough Paragon/Renegade meter to make that choice? I've always had the option to choose either and I have yet to choose Morinth. (even with my more renegade characters)

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You need a high score to be able to fight Morinth's.... "mind control???" so you can make the choice.

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ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Unable to come up with a plausible defense for your position huh.   And I'm the idiot.


Oh yeah, I respond with 2 defense arguments and you respond with 2 phrases that mean NOTHING plus smileys.

Unbelivable.


Two words that mean absolutely everything and completely debunk your position.:whistle:

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pablodurando wrote...
Two words that mean absolutely everything and completely debunk your position.:whistle:


*sigh*

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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

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Morinth insane? Nope. Don't think so.


Did we play the same game?

Morinth is a serial killer that murders people for sexual gratification.  


Sociopathy is not the same as insanity. Morinth was a sociopath, but she wasn't insane.

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ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...
Two words that mean absolutely everything and completely debunk your position.:whistle:


*sigh*


Just answer this straightforward.  Do you know the concept of Objective moralism?

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CrookedAsylum wrote...

Sociopathy is not the same as insanity. Morinth was a sociopath, but she wasn't insane.


Morinth isn't a sociopath. She just enjoys the sexual pleasure that hollowing her victim's brains produces. If you REALLY like something, chances are you'll keep doing it.

EXAMPLE: Sex

Im a psychology student, don't fight me on this. She is not insane either.  Delusional and mentally unstable yes, but not insane.

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pablodurando wrote...

Just answer this straightforward.  Do you know the concept of Objective moralism?


I stated it above..... you haven't been reading my posts? Gotta be kidding me. Im out.

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ThePwener wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Just answer this straightforward.  Do you know the concept of Objective moralism?


I stated it above..... you haven't been reading my posts? Gotta be kidding me. Im out.


I have been reading them and I see absolutely nothing that defends your point.  You're an idiot.

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ThePwener wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Sociopathy is not the same as insanity. Morinth was a sociopath, but she wasn't insane.


Morinth isn't a sociopath. She just enjoys the sexual pleasure that hollowing her victim's brains produces. If you REALLY like something, chances are you'll keep doing it.

EXAMPLE: Sex

Im a psychology student, don't fight me on this. She is not insane either.  Delusional and mentally unstable yes, but not insane.


That bolded part? Yeah, I've taken a few courses too. Psychology student does not full-fledged psychologist make. That being said, I don't think Morinth was delusional or mentally unstable. Incapable of empathy, certainly, but she could reason, and I never said she was insane.

I do think she was a very capable liar and manipulator, though, so I think she's a sociopath.

You don't. That's fine. Either way, you came off as a cocky little jerk especially since Morinth didn't have enough screentime or interaction to confirm any one theory over another.

That being said, I'm bowing out of this before this turns into a fight of who has the biggest e-penis. I don't trust my maturity level or yours.

Peace.