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[Bourne Endeavor]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Harbinger. At least he had the [insert reapers reproductive organs] to to the work himself instead of using some tool like Saren. He was also smart enough to RELEASE control before his avatar discentergrated. unlike that idiot sovereign who put all his eggs into a dead turian. Plus harbingers leading a fleet, much scarier than just one ship.

How does Harbinger have any grapefruits? He uses collectors to ensure he is protected when the body is inevitably shot down. Sovereign on the other hand led a full onslaught upon the Citadel and was scarcely moments away from victory. The reason he transferred his mind into Saren was because Sovereign knew the reality of the situation. If Shepard could be stopped, victory was his, if not then he was doomed to failure regardless.

So with this in mind, I could theoretically say at least Sovereign had the grapefruits to actually lead his assault, in lieu of being a coward hiding behind cannon fodder.

See how easily you can turn this around? 

Harbinger was in control of the entire collector race. he did not allow them to "redeem themselves" and was activley pursuing Shepard and human colonies. Sovereign tried to conquer ith his tools, Harbinger uses his to weaken while he leads the REAPERS and it looks like he's doing a pretty good job by the looks of the ME3 demo since he's destryong a planet, not a space station.

You are neglecting the overall objective and the considerable folly of Harbinger's plan (read: It would never happen.) Sovereign sought to control the Citadel, wherein doing so would allow him access to open a link to dark space and usher in the reaper invasion. That is a reasonably good plan. Harbinger's... not so much. His banked out the complete incompetency of the Alliance, Council (no problems there >.>), Shepard staying dead, no one having the bright idea of destroying the only ship he had and no one ramming a planet into the Omega-4 Relay, which Arrival proved is possible.

Case in point, Harbinger's plan relied on sheer dumb luck, and this is not accounting for how ridiculously long it would have taken to accomplish. Of course, now we are trending close to a "poor writing" debate. So allow us to agree to disagree, lest we open Pandora's box.

[silentassassin264]

Soveriegn seemed kind of like a powerful jerk. Harbinger seems like a mad scientist...with incredibly sexual taunts. I prefer Harbinger because it makes the Reapers seem to have more of a purpose than being galactic jerks. I just wanted to kill Sovereign but I really want to know what Harbinger is up to and he is chatty enough to probably oblige me when he comes.

[ADLegend21]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Harbinger. At least he had the [insert reapers reproductive organs] to to the work himself instead of using some tool like Saren. He was also smart enough to RELEASE control before his avatar discentergrated. unlike that idiot sovereign who put all his eggs into a dead turian. Plus harbingers leading a fleet, much scarier than just one ship.

How does Harbinger have any grapefruits? He uses collectors to ensure he is protected when the body is inevitably shot down. Sovereign on the other hand led a full onslaught upon the Citadel and was scarcely moments away from victory. The reason he transferred his mind into Saren was because Sovereign knew the reality of the situation. If Shepard could be stopped, victory was his, if not then he was doomed to failure regardless.

So with this in mind, I could theoretically say at least Sovereign had the grapefruits to actually lead his assault, in lieu of being a coward hiding behind cannon fodder.

See how easily you can turn this around? 

Harbinger was in control of the entire collector race. he did not allow them to "redeem themselves" and was activley pursuing Shepard and human colonies. Sovereign tried to conquer ith his tools, Harbinger uses his to weaken while he leads the REAPERS and it looks like he's doing a pretty good job by the looks of the ME3 demo since he's destryong a planet, not a space station.

You are neglecting the overall objective and the considerable folly of Harbinger's plan (read: It would never happen.) Sovereign sought to control the Citadel, wherein doing so would allow him access to open a link to dark space and usher in the reaper invasion. That is a reasonably good plan. Harbinger's... not so much. His banked out the complete incompetency of the Alliance, Council (no problems there >.>), Shepard staying dead, no one having the bright idea of destroying the only ship he had and no one ramming a planet into the Omega-4 Relay, which Arrival proved is possible.

Case in point, Harbinger's plan relied on sheer dumb luck, and this is not accounting for how ridiculously long it would have taken to accomplish. Of course, now we are trending close to a "poor writing" debate. So allow us to agree to disagree, lest we open Pandora's box.

Well let's see you kill something that means it's dead right? how is it Harbingers fault cerberus revived Shepard? that lies with the yagh broker for failing to get Sheps body from Liara. and even so the Allaince is either spread thing from saving the council or the only thing protecting hte citadel if they didn't so there's no way they could protect all those colonies. there's also more than one collector ship we jsut destroyed the base they were building the reaper in. Harbingers plan was also well thought out as well as leading the reapers on a FTL drive to the alpha relay but then, through sheer dumb luck, Shepard rams an asteroid into it to destroy the system. its more dumb luck he was stopped than he succeeded.

[InvaderErl]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

You are neglecting the overall objective and the considerable folly of Harbinger's plan (read: It would never happen.) Sovereign sought to control the Citadel, wherein doing so would allow him access to open a link to dark space and usher in the reaper invasion. That is a reasonably good plan. Harbinger's... not so much. His banked out the complete incompetency of the Alliance, Council (no problems there >.>), Shepard staying dead, no one having the bright idea of destroying the only ship he had and no one ramming a planet into the Omega-4 Relay, which Arrival proved is possible.

Case in point, Harbinger's plan relied on sheer dumb luck, and this is not accounting for how ridiculously long it would have taken to accomplish. Of course, now we are trending close to a "poor writing" debate. So allow us to agree to disagree, lest we open Pandora's box.

I think you're not giving Harbinger enough credit.

He starts off outright killing Shepard and then even tries to collect on the body. He can be hardly blamed for Liara fouling that up.

His human harvesting operation is restricted to lone and isolated colonies in the Terminus systems in order to keep suspicion at a minimum and use the political status quo against the Alliance/Council since he knows that they won't cross over into the Terminus systems.

His only ship seemed to be pretty damned formidable considering it managed to take out three Turian cruisers on its own and Harbinger seems to have been fairly careful in picking his battles.

The only reason he didn't capture/kill Shepard with the Derelict ship and with the Reaper IFF was because of EDI's involvement.

As for ramming an asteroid into the Omega relay prior to Arrival that was not an issue. It seems that nobody had ever done so or had cause to do so.

He's hardly some bumbling fool, he seems to be quite focused on removing any threats to his work and if it hadn't been for Cerberus and EDI, Shepard would be quite dead.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:01 .

[Goneaviking]

darthnick427 wrote...

Yeah Soveriegn just had better lines.

" Organic life is nothing more than genetic mutation. An accedent. Your life is measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal. The pinicle of evolution and existance. Before us you are nothing. We have no beginning. We have no end. WE are infinite. Your threats are as empty as your future. I am the Vanguard of your destruction This exchange is over.."

Honestly, I couldn't take Sovereign seriously after that exchange.

You ask him who made him and he denies having been created, beats his (metaphorical) chest and declares he's not going to talk to you anymore.

What I was thinking afterwards: "Whatever you say astroboy."

[Jimbe2693]

Sov was a bit ill tempered. Understandable I suppose. He had the hard job while the others were taking it easy in dark space.
Harby is pretty cool, I enjoy listening to his attempts to seduce Shep.

[Mister Mida]

Sovereign, it's not even a debate.

[Massadonious1]

People are clearly debating it right now.

[InvaderErl]

Goneaviking wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Yeah Soveriegn just had better lines.

" Organic life is nothing more than genetic mutation. An accedent. Your life is measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal. The pinicle of evolution and existance. Before us you are nothing. We have no beginning. We have no end. WE are infinite. Your threats are as empty as your future. I am the Vanguard of your destruction This exchange is over.."

Honestly, I couldn't take Sovereign seriously after that exchange.

You ask him who made him and he denies having been created, beats his (metaphorical) chest and declares he's not going to talk to you anymore.

What I was thinking afterwards: "Whatever you say astroboy."

My issue is he explains his entire plan for no discernable reason.

Sovereign's kind of like the Boba Fett of the ME universe. He's undeniably cool, but its hard to say why except for how he looks and sounds.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:02 .

[Crackseed]

Hands down Sovereign. No hate for Harbinger but with how much you heard him taunting and the VO effects they used, he was so much less intimidating then Sov was. I mean for a 5 min convo, Sov just had me going O.O the whole way through the game after that point because it was literally "Holy crap the Reapers are scary!" xD

@ Earl/others who had an issue with his speech - I get that point but I honestly think that made him more menacing. He basically considers you a worthless insect and mocks your efforts, lets you know that to them you're doomed anyway and just decides to sever the convo. If he sat around debating, etc it would have made him alot less menacing IMO.

Modifié par crackseed, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[InvaderErl]

Sure, the boasting I get - I'm cool with meglomaniacal boasting, I just don't get why he would tell you the Reapers built the Citadel and the Relays. I mean he's on the eve of his most important mission and he begins to blurb critical details.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:12 .

[ME-ParaShep]

darthnick427 wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Harbinger seemed just as threatening as Sovereign... he just tended to talk too much so his wow factor dropped fast.

If Sovereign talked as much as Harbinger did, I'd say Harbinger would win out on cool factor.

Well, thing is...Sovereign did talk more than Harbinger, and happened to be much more threatening. We never saw Harbinger, and aside from his "I'll get you yet" speech, he just has cheesy one liners when Shepard's in battle with Collectors. 

"We are legion. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the sky of every world. You cannot escape your doom"

"I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS"

<_<

Yeah Soveriegn just had better lines.

" Organic life is nothing more than genetic mutation. An accedent. Your life is measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal. The pinicle of evolution and existance. Before us you are nothing. We have no beginning. We have no end. WE are infinite. Your threats are as empty as your future. I am the Vanguard of your destruction This exchange is over.."

"THIS HURTS YOU!"

Yeah.. about Harby.. it's almost as if he  was out to have sex with Shepard. Especially with his one liners. Man.. keep him away from my Shepard

[Crackseed]

InvaderErl wrote...

Sure, the boasting I get, I just don't get why he would tell you the Reapers built the Citadel and the Relays. I mean he's on the eve of his most important mission and he begins to blurb critical details/

To me that just spoke of how arrogant and sure the Reapers are. I mean no one has stopped their cycle for hundreds of thousands of years. Why would he worry telling you that? Considering Saren had been giving us the slip prior to that as well, it just seemed like "I'll tell you how you'll die because you can't stop it worm" kind of mockery on his part.

[InvaderErl]

crackseed wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Sure, the boasting I get, I just don't get why he would tell you the Reapers built the Citadel and the Relays. I mean he's on the eve of his most important mission and he begins to blurb critical details/

To me that just spoke of how arrogant and sure the Reapers are. I mean no one has stopped their cycle for hundreds of thousands of years. Why would he worry telling you that? Considering Saren had been giving us the slip prior to that as well, it just seemed like "I'll tell you how you'll die because you can't stop it worm" kind of mockery on his part.

It seems a terrible risk to take. He doesn't know that the Council doesn't believe us. What if they had and posted an army to garrison the Citadel, then he would have been completely screwed. There's a point where arrogance begins to border on idiocy.

[Repearized Miranda]

Jimbe2693 wrote...

Sov was a bit ill tempered. Understandable I suppose. He had the hard job while the others were taking it easy in dark space.
Harby is pretty cool, I enjoy listening to his attempts to seduce Shep.

You did not watch - er, listen to - that video, did you? :alien:

[Crackseed]

InvaderErl wrote...

crackseed wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Sure, the boasting I get, I just don't get why he would tell you the Reapers built the Citadel and the Relays. I mean he's on the eve of his most important mission and he begins to blurb critical details/

To me that just spoke of how arrogant and sure the Reapers are. I mean no one has stopped their cycle for hundreds of thousands of years. Why would he worry telling you that? Considering Saren had been giving us the slip prior to that as well, it just seemed like "I'll tell you how you'll die because you can't stop it worm" kind of mockery on his part.

It seems a terrible risk to take. He doesn't know that the Council doesn't believe us. What if they had and posted an army to garrison the Citadel, then he would have been completely screwed. There's a point where arrogance begins to border on idiocy.

Absolutely a fair point, but again - as "powerful" as the Reapers are, I really also think they see themselves as unstoppable, which I would argue is a personality flaw - one which proved fatal in Sov's case. He was so sure of the plan he had enacted he just rubbed it in our face.

Even if the Council had listened, our 5th fleet jumped in combined with the Citadel fleet and still took massive losses. I mean if you consider that Sov was out of the fight for most of the battle instead of one-shotting ships with his weapons like he did near the end, it might have been even more disastrous for our side if he'd stayed in the fight.

I think his whole speech really sold the Reaper's attitude and outlook. It showed what I would call a major flaw in the form of complete arrogance but to them, when they've had no true resistance or reason to fear any organic civilization, it was just another chance to belittle one man trying to stop them. Pity for Sov and Harby that it was Commander Shepard and they just weren't prepared for his awesome *sagenod*

[Goneaviking]

crackseed wrote...

@ Earl/others who had an issue with his speech - I get that point but I honestly think that made him more menacing. He basically considers you a worthless insect and mocks your efforts, lets you know that to them you're doomed anyway and just decides to sever the convo. If he sat around debating, etc it would have made him alot less menacing IMO.

More than anything what gave me pause about its rant was that it blatantly lied. About something you could easily tell was nonsense.

You ask the synthetic machine creature who created it and it pulls the "We have no beginning" schtick?

Whoever it's trying to convince of its godhood, it probably wasn't Shepherd. To me, Sovereign overplayed its hand and gave me the idea that it wasn't able to deal with its own mythology honestly and then it seemed vulnerable.

As much as I was able to turn back Harbinger's goonsquad and avatars regularly, it never revealed anything that cast its conviction into to doubt. Harbinger is a villain who doesn't just believe in the plan, but in the worldview and mythology behind it.

[InvaderErl]

crackseed wrote...

Even if the Council had listened, our 5th fleet jumped in combined with the Citadel fleet and still took massive losses. I mean if you consider that Sov was out of the fight for most of the battle instead of one-shotting ships with his weapons like he did near the end, it might have been even more disastrous for our side if he'd stayed in the fight.

A lot of the damage that the Council fleet suffered and the success that Sovereign enjoyed during the battle was because the station defenders both inside and out were unprepared for the threat not having taken it as seriously as they needed to.

Alerting them about your existence and importance when stealth and secrecy has been your greatest tool just seems so utterly dangerous to me. I mean what would Sovereign had done had the station arms been closed when he got there and there was a considerably larger fleet waiting for him, what would he have done if the Council had properly garrisoned the Citadel interior and Saren couldn't get to the Council chambers?

I get what you're saying - I honestly do but Sovereign must have had some concept that he wasn't invulnerable, hence all the slinking around for so many years prior. I suppose its just too much arrogance for me to accept on my end to the point that if the Council hadn't been so stubbornly refusing everything Shepard was saying he would have talked himself right out of any chance of winning.  In that I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:35 .

[nirodhafy]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

Sov was a bit ill tempered. Understandable I suppose. He had the hard job while the others were taking it easy in dark space.
Harby is pretty cool, I enjoy listening to his attempts to seduce Shep.

You did not watch - er, listen to - that video, did you? :alien:

Hahaha, just out of curiousity, did said video include a panda?

[Repearized Miranda]

nirodhafy wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Jimbe2693 wrote...

Sov was a bit ill tempered. Understandable I suppose. He had the hard job while the others were taking it easy in dark space.
Harby is pretty cool, I enjoy listening to his attempts to seduce Shep.

You did not watch - er, listen to - that video, did you? :alien:

Hahaha, just out of curiousity, did said video include a panda?

Does panda eat bamboo? :innocent:

I'm sorry, but that **** was indescribable!

[Bourne Endeavor]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well let's see you kill something that means it's dead right? how is it Harbingers fault cerberus revived Shepard? that lies with the yagh broker for failing to get Sheps body from Liara. and even so the Allaince is either spread thing from saving the council or the only thing protecting hte citadel if they didn't so there's no way they could protect all those colonies. there's also more than one collector ship we jsut destroyed the base they were building the reaper in. Harbingers plan was also well thought out as well as leading the reapers on a FTL drive to the alpha relay but then, through sheer dumb luck, Shepard rams an asteroid into it to destroy the system. its more dumb luck he was stopped than he succeeded.

Ah, you opened it...

Actually, that is the only reasonable excuse we can afford Harbinger. Shepard's revival was likely unforeseen, however Harby had numerous opportunity to rectify this and fails miserably. For instance, on the Collector Ship, instead of sending a bunch goons or going himself to challenge Shepard head on, why not just send that mobile platform hurling into a wall or downward? There is then Arrival, where Shepard is captured and... not even tied down. What, some handcuffs were not in the budget?

Yes, exception this contradicts Mass Effect, where Udina berates the Council and demands they send their fleets in because a single colony was destroyed. Likewise, Anderson outright states if humanity had a seat on the Council, they could avoid this mess with Saren by attacking him. So when they finally accomplish the aforementioned goal, they continue to do nothing. The excuse itself is asinine by the reality is hundreds of thousands of humans are disappearing. People would be up in arms demanding action, while many fled the Terminus in droves, which would hurt Harbinger's plan. Of course... the plot pretends this would not happen.

There is more than on Collector Ship? Where, because evidently the rest of us missed them. Not only does the game explicitly state the ship which destroyed the Normandy is the same as the on abducting the colonies. When we pass through the Omega Relay, we see that ship docked in the only spot available. Regardless, allow us to assume there were more. What was Habinger waiting for, an invitation? There is nothing else here excluding the Normandy, bombard it into oblivion. Kill Shepard and his/her crew of badasses in space, where they are all completely useless. You stop them and you win, it was that simple. See, this is where the whole Suicide Mission itself is painfully inept and the writing is terrible. If your theory had been correct, Harbinger is even more of a moron.

How about the amount of time required to finish the Reaper? Once again allows use to assume by some miracle it was produced in under a decade and the Alliance is that mind numbingly incompetent. What was he going to do with it, launch the thing toward the Citadel ala Sovereign v2.0? By then, not only would their defenses have been significantly bolstered, they have long developed additional armaments like the Thanix Canon, which can be mounted on frigates, the smallest ship in either fleet's armada. This would bode a severe conundrum to Harby's endeavors, if not a fatal flaw.

With rewards to Arrival, why not do that to begin with? By not abducting the colonists you remain inconspicuous, meaning Cerberus has little reason to revive Shepard. So in reality, Harbinger undermined himself. Yep, certainly sounds well thought out. You have to plan for this degree of stupidity.

[littlezack]

  The excuse itself is asinine by the reality is hundreds of thousands of humans are disappearing. People would be up in arms demanding action, while many fled the Terminus in droves, which would hurt Harbinger's plan. Of course... the plot pretends this would not happen.
The Collectors targeted colonies that separated from the Alliance and went independent, and they attacked the colonies in such a way that nothing was left to suggest an attack. It was a big mystery, but people wouldn't even know what to demand action about. They have no idea what's going on. And that's even assuming the Alliance let the news about the disappearing colonies reach back to Earth. And fleeing the Terminus? It's that easy to just pick up an entire colony and vanish because of some rumors?

[Ghost Warrior]

Sovereign was actually scary with his lines and voice,unlike that pervert Harbringer,though I actually liked some of his endgame and Arrival lines.

[InvaderErl]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Ah, you opened it...

Actually, that is the only reasonable excuse we can afford Harbinger. Shepard's revival was likely unforeseen, however Harby had numerous opportunity to rectify this and fails miserably. For instance, on the Collector Ship, instead of sending a bunch goons or going himself to challenge Shepard head on, why not just send that mobile platform hurling into a wall or downward? There is then Arrival, where Shepard is captured and... not even tied down. What, some handcuffs were not in the budget?

To be fair both games do a lot of that. I mean what the heck was Saren holding Shepard over the side of the building for, he had a huge opportunity to just let him go and he doesn't and instead actually holds onto him! Not to mention Sovereign is supposedly closing in on them quick but Shepard/Saren have enough time to engage in a lengthy conversation with one another.

Or Sovereign/the Geth refusing to just float a ship over Zhu's Hope and obliterate it. Or nobody bothering to post a guard outside the Illos relay. The baddies of both games get real accomadating when the plot demands it.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Yes, exception this contradicts Mass Effect, where Udina berates the Council and demands they send their fleets in because a single colony was destroyed. Likewise, Anderson outright states if humanity had a seat on the Council, they could avoid this mess with Saren by attacking him. So when they finally accomplish the aforementioned goal, they continue to do nothing. The excuse itself is asinine by the reality is hundreds of thousands of humans are disappearing.

Except we do know that they are looking into it, that's the whole point of Ash showing up in Horizon. How much they can actually do however is severely limited by the fact the fact that entering the Terminus systems is considered a hostile act.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
People would be up in arms demanding action, while many fled the Terminus in droves, which would hurt Harbinger's plan. Of course... the plot pretends this would not happen.

From Delann it seems that most people that chose to live out in the Terminus think the stories are made up to get them to return to Alliance space which seems reasonable from a group of people willing to head out into territories wherein they are essentially open to every manner of pirate/slaver just to get away from the Alliance.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
There is more than on Collector Ship? Where, because evidently the rest of us missed them. Not only does the game explicitly state the ship which destroyed the Normandy is the same as the on abducting the colonies. When we pass through the Omega Relay, we see that ship docked in the only spot available. Regardless, allow us to assume there were more. What was Habinger waiting for, an invitation? There is nothing else here excluding the Normandy, bombard it into oblivion. Kill Shepard and his/her crew of badasses in space, where they are all completely useless. You stop them and you win, it was that simple.

I agree that they only had one ship and Harbinger did try to capture/destroy the Normandy, that he failed was only due to EDI's involvement. Otherwise he would have outright won both times. The only other time that Harbinger manages to engage the Normandy in a straight on fight Joker manages to get the ship close enough to open fire at point blank range.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
How about the amount of time required to finish the Reaper? Once again allows use to assume by some miracle it was produced in under a decade and the Alliance is that mind numbingly incompetent. What was he going to do with it, launch the thing toward the Citadel ala Sovereign v2.0? By then, not only would their defenses have been significantly bolstered, they have long developed additional armaments like the Thanix Canon, which can be mounted on frigates, the smallest ship in either fleet's armada. This would bode a severe conundrum to Harby's endeavors, if not a fatal flaw.

Without knowing what they do and especially without 3 being out yet you can't really complain about what his plan was without knowing what he was going to do with it.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
With rewards to Arrival, why not do that to begin with? By not abducting the colonists you remain inconspicuous, meaning Cerberus has little reason to revive Shepard. So in reality, Harbinger undermined himself. Yep, certainly sounds well thought out. You have to plan for this degree of stupidity.

I personally have a theory that the Reapers are going to be in somewhat vulnerable position having burned up their power in getting here. I remember there being some blurb early on that we would find out early in the game things were not completely hopeless - in any case we should wait to 3 before we make too many pronouncements.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 09:21 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

InvaderErl wrote...

He starts off outright killing Shepard and then even tries to collect on the body. He can be hardly blamed for Liara fouling that up.

Indeed, this I agree was on of the few examples of Harbinger being on the wrong side of fortune. He could have in no way anticipated Shepard's resurrection or Liara's involvement.

His human harvesting operation is restricted to lone and isolated colonies in the Terminus systems in order to keep suspicion at a minimum and use the political status quo against the Alliance/Council since he knows that they won't cross over into the Terminus systems.

His only ship seemed to be pretty damned formidable considering it managed to take out three Turian cruisers on its own and Harbinger seems to have been fairly careful in picking his battles.

For a formidable ship, it ends up being decimated with considerable ease by even an non-upgraded Normandy. If faced against a Dreadnaught, it would be incinerated since the Normandy is inferior and had no problems.

The only reason he didn't capture/kill Shepard with the Derelict ship and with the Reaper IFF was because of EDI's involvement.

Except there is reason to believe EDI only had access to very limited portions of the ship, otherwise why not interrupt the platforms to help Shepard? In fact, she actually instructs Shepard to reconnect her once you defeat Harby and his goons, thereby insinuating she did not have any control of the platforms. Nevertheless, the Collector Ship was staged to be a trap. One would think Harbinger would be capable of laying out which could stop three soldiers. EDI had no involvement with the derelict Reaper, although neither did Harbinger.

As for ramming an asteroid into the Omega relay prior to Arrival that was not an issue. It seems that nobody had ever done so or had cause to do so.

Aye, however his plan relied on someone not attempting it. Evidently if Kennson thought of doing so, someone else may well have. I would hardly fault him in this regard because Harby makes far more ridiculously decisions later on anyway.

He's hardly some bumbling fool, he seems to be quite focused on removing any threats to his work and if it hadn't been for Cerberus and EDI, Shepard would be quite dead.

Oh no, he most certainly is. My reply to AD describes just how much of one he is.