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[CroGamer002]

^What about Arrival Harbinger?

[littlezack]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Parion wrote...

I find both equally awesome, Sovereign wins simply for the sexy voice.

Harbinger's actions make perfect sense to me.
The thing is, he wants Shepard, preferably alive. The Collector operation, the whole deal with the Reapinator, it was all secondary to dealing with Shepard, and he was more than willing to sacrifice the entire Collector species to that end.
Now, this isn't so much "OMG Supa-Shepad must be defeated", as it is placing a complete lack of value in the collectors and the newborn, and Shepard being mildly interesting.
He's a Collecter's (Heh) Item, with Authentic Battle Damage.


What killed me about Harbinger's canned lines was that they were too loud. They should have been subtle, a bare whisper trickling slowly into your soul.
Indoctrinaaatioooon.....

Then why did Harbinger kill him at the start of the game? Why did the Collectors attempt to kill Shepard everywhere else they were encountered? Why did they make no attempt at confining Shepard in Arrival when he was knocked out?

Why didn't the Collector's simply board the SR-1 and stun everyone with Seeker Swarms instead of blowing it up?

I'd imagine Harbinger wants Shepard alive because he's interested in just how the hell Shepard came back to life.

[Parion]

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Then why did Harbinger kill him at the start of the game? .... Why didn't the Collector's simply board the SR-1 and stun everyone with Seeker Swarms instead of blowing it up?

Because that would have been incredibly Difficult. It was much easier to kill him and recover his corpse.

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Why did the Collectors attempt to kill Shepard everywhere else they were encountered?

Because dead was acceptable, if not ideal. They also persistantly used simple small arms fire which would cause damage that, whilst "fatal", is easily repairable. He can be "killed" and resuscitated/Lazarused afterwards.
Or his brain extracted and slushied.
Or frozen in carbonite and mounted on the wall.
Or replace his brain with a thrall computer and use him as a meat puppet.

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Why did they make no attempt at confining Shepard in Arrival when he was knocked out?

... Because he was knocked out.
If they didn't want him why didn't they just put a gun to his head and squeeze?


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littlezack wrote...
I'd imagine Harbinger wants Shepard alive because he's interested in just how the hell Shepard came back to life.

Also extremely plausable.

Modifié par Parion, 08 juillet 2011 - 02:27 .

[DarkDragon777]

I like Sovereign better.

[Zaalbar]

I like Sovereign better, Harbinger talks to much.

[Asari Commando]

zaalbar76 wrote...

I like Sovereign better, Harbinger talks to much.

^^this

it gets kind of annoying when a virtual character is constantly talking ****.

[Veex]

After just replaying ME1 and working through an ME2 playthrough now, I find them both comparable. Sovereign doesn't have any of the in combat taunts which can get tiresome, but their actual speeches when not given through a vessel are pretty similar.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Parion wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Then why did Harbinger kill him at the start of the game? .... Why didn't the Collector's simply board the SR-1 and stun everyone with Seeker Swarms instead of blowing it up?

Because that would have been incredibly Difficult. It was much easier to kill him and recover his corpse.

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Why did the Collectors attempt to kill Shepard everywhere else they were encountered?

Because dead was acceptable, if not ideal. They also persistantly used simple small arms fire which would cause damage that, whilst "fatal", is easily repairable. He can be "killed" and resuscitated/Lazarused afterwards.
Or his brain extracted and slushied.
Or frozen in carbonite and mounted on the wall.
Or replace his brain with a thrall computer and use him as a meat puppet.

Notlikeyoucare wrote... Why did they make no attempt at confining Shepard in Arrival when he was knocked out?

... Because he was knocked out.
If they didn't want him why didn't they just put a gun to his head and squeeze?


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littlezack wrote...
I'd imagine Harbinger wants Shepard alive because he's interested in just how the hell Shepard came back to life.

Also extremely plausable.

1. Difficult? The Collector ship swat the SR-1 like a fly. Lets not forget that after the badass crew of soliders were sent away from the SR-2 because the plot damanded it , the Collector's boarded the Normandy and collected everyone save Joker. Though oddly enough they didn't use seeker swarms for some unexplained reason. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have just done it the first time since the crew didn't have Seeker Swarm repellent.

2. Fair enough, though what makes you think that the Reapers have the Lazarus tech? Sure, they're the most technologicly advanced things in the galaxy, but Lazarus was new and unprecedented technology at the time. The Reapers could have something beyond that, but we're never told.

3. So... because Shepard was knocked out, it didn't occur to them that he may recover conciousness and just might try to escape? And that taking the extra time to restrain him might prevent that very thing from happening?

4. Exactly my point. Harbingers actions are inconsistent and make him look silly rather than some sort of viable threat.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Double Post.

Modifié par Notlikeyoucare, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:30 .

[littlezack]

1. Difficult? The Collector ship swat the SR-1 like a fly. Lets not forget that after the badass crew of soliders were sent away from the SR-2 because the plot damanded it , the Collector's boarded the Normandy and collected everyone save Joker. Though oddly enough they didn't use seeker swarms for some unexplained reason. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have just done it the first time since the crew didn't have Seeker Swarm repellent.


Part of the reason the Collector ship took out the first Normandy so easily was the element of suprise; they  came out of nowhere with only a moment's warning and shot the ship from behind. In a straight up fight, the Normandy probably would done better.

Also, notice the difference in attacks - when they tracked the SR2 with the IFF, the Collector vessel was able to transport right on top of them, instead of sneaking up behind. They never had that opportunity with the first Normandy.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I prefer Harbinger.

He's more intellegent. He doesn't go around invading well known human colonys himself and he doesn't allign himself with the then boogy men of the galaxy alerting people to his existance and exposing his only secret agent..

Harbinger works in secret using pawns that most people think are myths and invades colonies quickly and efficiently. Plus he's still alive so that tells you who has the better plans.

Edit: Also he managed to kill Shepard... so right there we can see who's a more effective enemy.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:55 .

[1upD]

 Somehow I got the feeling that Harbinger was trolling me the whole time.  Just thinking about how his possessed Collectors would spout dramatic lines about the fate of humanity at us constantly on a loop makes me laugh out loud.  Having the Arrival trailer narrated by Harbinger was pretty cool though.

[Someone With Mass]

Sovereign. He didn't ruin the Reapers for me by constantly trying to trash talk me in battle. Unlike Harbinger. And he didn't hide behind his puppets.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

^What about Arrival Harbinger?

This one's better by miles.

[littlezack]

I dunno, I think Sovereign did a fair bit of hiding behind his puppets. It's not like he ever attacks you directly or anything.

[Someone With Mass]

littlezack wrote...

I dunno, I think Sovereign did a fair bit of hiding behind his puppets. It's not like he ever attacks you directly or anything.

At least he showed himself.

When Harbinger says: "Kill one, and one hundred will take its place", it just feels like I'm screwing around with his bug buddies instead of actually getting closer to kill him.

[littlezack]

He didn't really show himself, you stumbled on him by accident. He actually seemed surprised to see you. His first words to you are 'You are not Saren.'

"Yeah, no ****."

Modifié par littlezack, 08 juillet 2011 - 05:13 .

[Abraham_uk]

Never played ME1 but I played ME2. Harbinger has a few lines and repeats them. They're great the first time you hear them, but after a while, I just kept thinking, "stop assuming control of collectors and appear in person." "I am the harbinger of your broken record" more like.

[littlezack]

That is something that bugs me, especially since, if you open his file, he has a TON of lines that he never even uses.

[Someone With Mass]

littlezack wrote...

That is something that bugs me, especially since, if you open his file, he has a TON of lines that he never even uses.

Use flashbangs on him. Then he'll never shut up about how you're delaying the inevitable.

And honestly, I don't think that different lines would change anything.

[Arppis]

Sovereign didn't do anything for me really, atleast Harbinger was silly: "This hurts you Shepard!".

[Warkupo]

I prefer Harbinger. I fully expect that, when he gets here with the rest of the Reapers, he will be sporting a monocle, twisty mustache, and top hat.

[InvaderErl]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...


Then why did Harbinger kill him at the start of the game? Why did the Collectors attempt to kill Shepard everywhere else they were encountered? Why did they make no attempt at confining Shepard in Arrival when he was knocked out?

Why didn't the Collector's simply board the SR-1 and stun everyone with Seeker Swarms instead of blowing it up?

Harbingers plan made little to no sense at all. It makes the Reapers only impact look like idiots, yet Sovereign with a little speech and almost successful attack on the Citidal in ME 1 made the Reapers feel like a genuine threat.

Stopping Shepard's interference was the primary objective, capturing him for study was a secondary one. The Normandy ambush presented him with an opportunity to complete his primary objective which he took after which he was free at his leisure to pursue the secondary one (to which he apparently doesn't necessarily require Shepard alive though it seems a fresh sample would be preferable judging by his banter).

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2011 - 05:41 .

[morrie23]

I much prefer Sovereign, less chatty and his voice is far more chilling. Comparing the two, it sounds to me like BioWare changed the processing on the VO between Sovereign and Harbinger, Sovereign sounds much calmer, more mechanical, and alien. Harbinger just sounds like an normal voice knocked down an octave or two.