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_The_Don wrote...
What scare campaign??? Statement of facts......

What facts? :lol: I'm the one who brought facts - DAO, The Sims, Fable all being hit francises not affected in a bit by gay content. The only thing you bring are your empty claims :lol:

_The_Don wrote...
By definition putting them in a game makes it part of viable content.... read my prior message for any clarification on this part ... and Im not your "bro"

And?

_The_Don wrote...
You know how to reproduce by rubbing two sticks together????

Nope. Asari seems to have it all figured out though ^_^

_The_Don wrote...
 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

So once again minority has to bow out for the majority. We should hide mouses & keyboards created for left-handed people so the right-handed people don't see them on 'their' shelfs with mouses & keyboards and get offended.

_The_Don wrote...
IF they feel the need to have a SS relationship with another character then by all means give them the option but make it a downloadable content..... that way both sides of the fence can play the game the way they want without imposing upon everyone elses personal preferences [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Explain to everyone how in the world does a presence of an option to pursue a s/s romance in the vanilla game imposes pursiuing these romances on anyone? :blink: The presence of Soldier class doesn't imposes this class on me, I always pick Vanguard instead :blink:

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_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair


Yes,  the majority of people aren't gay (Congrats you win the prize for most obvious statement in this thread).  You are of course assuming that the majority of straight gamers care about the inclusion of homosexual content in your game.  Generally there is a big resounding "Meh" in the middle ground,  while there are staight people for it's inclusion (This may be difficult to understand if your opinion is based on bias or religious creed) and than there are also people against it.

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_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair


Most people couldn't survive hand-to-hand combat with a creature like the Shadow Broker, so I guess you could use this fact to bolster your argument since you can only do that if you purchase the DLC. Unless you got the PS3 version, in which case the player should be outraged and their immersion ruined.

I'm not gay, but that doesn't mean that I couldn't have sex with someone of the same sex if we both wanted to. The option is available to anyone who doesn't live under a government that wished to emulate Sharia law or WWII Germany. And I seriously doubt there would be so much outrage over the ability of female Shepard to bag Liara and/or Kelly.

And, because I ONCE AGAIN read people complaining about Anders, I reprint my earlier rant from another thread:

You know, too many complain about Anders' "ninjamance" and worry about how it
will be the template for male gays in ME3. IF the writers take Garrus
down a similar route in ME3, I'll be complaining along side them. But...

In
DA:A, it was never established that he ONLY likes girls, but that
Anders had obviously been successful at hitting on women and
manipulating women into doing his dirty work. Perhaps the men he's met
so far have all been straight, too smart to fall for his schtick, or he
may approach men differently.

Or maybe JUSTICE is bisexual, or
the merging of personalities removed any objections. Or maybe his status
as an abomination makes him DESPERATE for find any warm harbor to take
shelter in.

[Actually, after originally posting this rant, I was notified that DA:A does have dialog where Anders comments on a man named "Karl" being his first love.]

All of the players MOANING CONSTANTLY about romances
needing to be more realistic (and, somehow, not gay) need to think about
THEIR OWN ACTIONS leading up to the infamous "ninjamance." IT CAN ONLY
BE TRIGGERED BY PICKING ALL THE "NICE" OPTIONS.

Think about that
for a minute. You're Hawke, and either you or your sibling is an
apostate. You're hiding from the Templars. Scared of the Templars.
Everything you're doing it to raise enough money to avoid the Templars.

You
need maps, and Anders has them. So you reach a deal to help him help
his buddy to escape and become an apostate. IN THE CHANTRY. Okay...

Needless
to say it all turns to ****. His buddy had a lobotomy, and Anders
suddenly reveals that HE IS AN ABOMINATION! HOLY ****!

Not only
that, but suddenly you're encountering the infamous DA2 wave assaults,
this time made up of... wait for it... TEMPLARS! HOLY CRAP! NO! Now
Hawke is FIGHTING TEMPLARS! KILLING TEMPLARS! IN THE CHANTRY NO LESS!

Two dozen awesome button explosions later you talk to
Anders at the clinic, where, if you choose all "nice" options, you can
trigger the infamous "ninjamance." Oh, my God! My immersion is ruined!
*sob*

Bethany has spoken that daddy Hawke purposely did NOT teach
his children how to communicate with demons so they wouldn't become
abominations (not sure how that is supposed to work, but I'll go with it
for now). And it is obvious that while Hawke him/herself may not be an
Andraste worshiper, s/he was raised to be one. Abominations are bad.
Really, really bad.

So, all these critics of gay ninjamances, who
SCREAM about the need for REALISM in their role playing games, take no
responsibility of their own actions and choosing all "nice" options.

ANDERS:
I'm an abomination. Sorry I didn't tell you sooner. Oh, and I really
feel bad that there's a good chance you could be put to death for
killing Templars in the Chantry.

HYPOCRITICAL AUTHORITY ON
ROLE-PLAYING REALISM AS HAWKE: Hey, no problem, buddy! I'm sure killing a
dozen Templars is no big deal! Chantry carpets are famous for being
stain resistant! And, golly, you have just got to be the nicest
abomination I've ever met!

So, a lonely, isolated, desperate,
apostate abomination has a moment and actually considered that he had
found someone, anyone, who could provide some emotional stability and
perhaps even some snuggle-bunnies. And, in a moment of disappointed, he
becomes upset when he finds out he's wrong.

Honestly, people,
there were quite a few stupid scenes that made no sense in DA2, but that
wasn't one of them. I would dare say it was DAMN realistic.

Now stop whining over 5 rivalry points.

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Control+F "J-a-c-k" ... no results, no care.

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slimgrin wrote...

 "If a same-sex romance option ruins a character’s consistency in Mass Effect 3, you only have your own choices to blame."


^ Bullsh*t.



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Verifiably false?? You know all??? Well Im glad that a concerned individual such as yourself is out there making decisions for everyone else regardless of their personal views...You may have noticed that I extended the options for those who are of a homosexual persuasion to play the game the way they wish too with the content the want..... This same courtesy has not been extended to me .

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_The_Don wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair


And why would you think that the players' sexuality has anything to do with the options they want in the game? Creepy relationship threads aside, most people don't pursue the romances because they're personally attracted to the characters.

 
IF they feel the need to have a SS relationship with another character then by all means give them the option but make it a downloadable content..... that way both sides of the fence can play the game the way they want without imposing upon everyone elses personal preferences :blink:


By that logic, why not make all relationship content DLC? Or why not make the Infiltrator and Adept classes DLC since not everyone wants to play an Infiltrator or Adept?

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Beerfish wrote...

I don't care if all the companions are available for either sex as long as they make the player dig a little before getting true romance options. Unlike DA2 where your options upon 1st meeting some characters are.

I hate you!
Who the hell are you?
Hello, pleased to meet you (with a big friggin heart icon next to it.)


I agree. It can get a little awkward. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the gay romance option. Why not? I can't wait to see Kaiden MaleShep pairs :P but It would be pretty annoying if a character that is your bro suddenly starts hitting on you in the 3rd game cause you talked to him twice. This is what annoyed me about playing Female Shepard. You can't talk to anyone without flirting with them!!! I had to spell out to Jack that I didn't want to screw her! and Jacob.. and Miranda... and Tali. It was kinda annoying. 

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_The_Don wrote...
You may have noticed that I extended the options for those who are of a homosexual persuasion to play the game the way they wish too with the content the want..... This same courtesy has not been extended to me.

Again, how does a presence of an option to pursue an s/s romance in the vanilla game restricts you from playing the game just the way you wanted and have been playing thus far (heterosexual way)? How are you unable anymore to play the game just as you've been doing it thus far?

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_The_Don wrote...

Verifiably false?? You know all??? Well Im glad that a concerned individual such as yourself is out there making decisions for everyone else regardless of their personal views...You may have noticed that I extended the options for those who are of a homosexual persuasion to play the game the way they wish too with the content the want..... This same courtesy has not been extended to me .

Yes. Verifiably false. I can prove that what you said about Gay content hurting sales, homosexual content only appealing to homosexuals, and heterosexuals all being bothered by homosexual content is untrue.
That makes your claim verifiably false.
Therefore you suggestion is not a logical one because it is based entirely on notions that have been proven untrue.

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It does warm my little heart to see so many demands for heterosexual sex to continue procreation. It's almost as if they fear that gay sex is so much more pleasurable than straight sex that billions will suddenly be adopting the gay lifestyle based solely on ME3 romantic cut scenes. Bioware may be responsible for GENOCIDE! *sob*

Actually, my happy little home has had straight sex without procreating for almost a decade now. I guess that makes us traitors to our persuasions.

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Kathleen321 wrote...
I agree. It can get a little awkward. Don't get me wrong I'm all for the gay romance option. Why not? I can't wait to see Kaiden MaleShep pairs :P but It would be pretty annoying if a character that is your bro suddenly starts hitting on you in the 3rd game cause you talked to him twice.

You have nothing to worry about. it won't happen since Kaidan thinks Shep is straight. It's already part of the story. He admits to FemShep that he didn't realize she wasn't straight (triangle scene with FemShep/Kaidan/Liara) and he also makes it clear he wouldn't bother flirting/pursuing FemShep in the first place had he knew. He assumes the same thing about ManShep. But with the obvious gender difference, it's only FemShep that he thinks he has a chance with since a straight woman likes men, so he doesn't hold back from flirting with her. Straight ManShep (in his assumption) doesn't like men, so no flirting/hitting on. It'll be Shepard that will have to make the first move and let Kaidan know he ain't straight.

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DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
By that logic, why not make all relationship content DLC? Or why not make the Infiltrator and Adept classes DLC since not everyone wants to play an Infiltrator or Adept?

huh? :huh:

There are people who don't want to be a biotic god?:blink:

YOU SPEAK LIES SIR.
LIES I SAY. :pinched:

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
By that logic, why not make all relationship content DLC? Or why not make the Infiltrator and Adept classes DLC since not everyone wants to play an Infiltrator or Adept?

huh? :huh:

There are people who don't want to be a biotic god?:blink:

YOU SPEAK LIES SIR.
LIES I SAY. :pinched:


There is only ONE Biotic God! Born unto us from a virgin Volus!

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IsaacShep wrote...

Again, how does a presence of an option to pursue an s/s romance in the vanilla game restricts you from playing the game just the way you wanted and have been playing thus far (heterosexual way)? How are you unable anymore to play the game just as you've been doing it thus far?


What? The option to be homosexual? How dare you question the Straight Male Gamer's sexuality! Just the option offends him, because it implies that he might want to use it! He likes women, you hear? Women! Just watch, he'll make out with Ashley right now! And Miranda! Hells yeah, Miranda and Ashley catfight, that's what should be in the game! That's what turns him on, not your homoerotic personal choice!

Oh yeah but he has nothing against homosexuals he just thinks that they should keep their homosexuality off him and his bros.

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Beerfish wrote...

I don't care if all the companions are available for either sex as long as they make the player dig a little before getting true romance options. Unlike DA2 where your options upon 1st meeting some characters are.

I hate you!
Who the hell are you?
Hello, pleased to meet you (with a big friggin heart icon next to it.)


I agree. I'm just now playing DA2, and the first time I went to talk to Anders after his recruitment quest, he immediately started flirting with me, and the only way to turn him down was to be an **** about ("Don't think about me that way.") :pinched:

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IsaacShep wrote...

_The_Don wrote...
What scare campaign??? Statement of facts......

What facts? :lol: I'm the one who brought facts - DAO, The Sims, Fable all being hit francises not affected in a bit by gay content. The only thing you bring are your empty claims :lol:

You quoted 3 games.....  how does this equate to fact? Are you suggesting that because they allowed same sex options it somehow increased sales? It could also because those 3 games you mentioned are well executed games in their own format ..... and the rough estimation of homsexuality within society is only a roughly documented fact .. could be more could be less... however my main point is if that is your preference then by all means download the option and have a mardi gras .... just don't try to force me to accept the same point of view when the majority are not interested in this aspect of the relationship arcs

_The_Don wrote...
By definition putting them in a game makes it part of viable content.... read my prior message for any clarification on this part ... and Im not your "bro"

And?

Read the statment.....

_The_Don wrote...
You know how to reproduce by rubbing two sticks together????

Nope. Asari seems to have it all figured out though ^_^

_The_Don wrote...
 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

So once again minority has to bow out for the majority. We should hide mouses & keyboards created for left-handed people so the right-handed people don't see them on 'their' shelfs with mouses & keyboards and get offended.

When I am playing a game.... notice the term game... especially with role playing elements that is set in a closed realm which personal choices affect my game ... It should reflect what you want to play ... so and I riiterate ...  I want to play my fantasy without someone elses view of sexuality imposed upon my game ... and I suspect those of homosexual persuasion feel the same way ... hence the suggestion that you have downloadable content to reflect these personal choices

_The_Don wrote...
IF they feel the need to have a SS relationship with another character then by all means give them the option but make it a downloadable content..... that way both sides of the fence can play the game the way they want without imposing upon everyone elses personal preferences [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Explain to everyone how in the world does a presence of an option to pursue a s/s romance in the vanilla game imposes pursiuing these romances on anyone? :blink: The presence of Soldier class doesn't imposes this class on me, I always pick Vanguard instead :blink:


Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes

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As a straight male gamer, i fully support the OPTION to have same sex relationships in the game. That's right, its an OPTION. I may never use this option myself, but I am by no means bigoted enough to suggest that because I will never use it, those who would use it shouldn't be able to.

I also find it amusing too. The banner i see floating around says it all. There has be 0 M/M relationships in ME, 1 "F/F" relationship and 9 straight relationships. I really fail to not only understand, but even comprehend people that are against it. I just want to point out and let my fellow gamers know that not all straight gamers are against this OPTION (again the word option, meaning OPTIONAL, meaning if you don't want it, you won't see it), and in fact, many of us not only support, but are rooting for you!

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

Verifiably false?? You know all??? Well Im glad that a concerned individual such as yourself is out there making decisions for everyone else regardless of their personal views...You may have noticed that I extended the options for those who are of a homosexual persuasion to play the game the way they wish too with the content the want..... This same courtesy has not been extended to me .

Yes. Verifiably false. I can prove that what you said about Gay content hurting sales, homosexual content only appealing to homosexuals, and heterosexuals all being bothered by homosexual content is untrue.
That makes your claim verifiably false.
Therefore you suggestion is not a logical one because it is based entirely on notions that have been proven untrue.


I stated that it may have an impact on sales...personal opinion..... and once again you are talking for everyone and not your own views.... I cannot speak on behalf of all heterosexuals ... Im not that deluded ... semantics is all you got -_-

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_The_Don wrote...

Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes


Sexuality having an influence on game outcomes? This is Mass Effect, dude. Sexuality has an influence on like one dialogue tree, one cutscene, and one post-cutscene line of dialogue.

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"No Gays Allowed" isn't a play style. :lol:
"I'll spam the mother humper out of singularity and let Samara and Garrus shoot everyone" is a play style. And an effective one. :D

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DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes


Sexuality having an influence on game outcomes? This is Mass Effect, dude. Sexuality has an influence on like one dialogue tree, one cutscene, and one post-cutscene line of dialogue.


No dood,  didn't you hear? The only way to beat Harbinger is to seduce him and show him the beauty of two men in love.  In his sorrow for snuffing out so many lovely queer couples he self destructs after you consumate the relationship.

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_The_Don wrote...

Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes


So YOUR ability to make a choice is hindered by someone else making one?

And how the hell does it change the game's outcomes? Other than the fact that you won't see the snuggle-bunny scenes someone else will? Do you think that the revelation that, I don't know, let's say Wrex is gay will somehow effect his ability to help you blow up god-like living machines bent on destroying all sapient life in the galaxy? Is your particular Shepard that mentally fragile?

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DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes


Sexuality having an influence on game outcomes? This is Mass Effect, dude. Sexuality has an influence on like one dialogue tree, one cutscene, and one post-cutscene line of dialogue.


I understand your point but It is a element that I PERSONALLY ....notice I refer only to myself here .... would rather not have to deal with those aspects of relationship arcs ...... 

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wait so people actually think gays are the only ones asking for or pursuing gay romance in ME3? I had my female Shepard hook up with Liara in one playthrough and I'm completely straight so we can throw that one out the window lol.
Now that you all are talking about it I think it sounds kinda romantic.. at least I hope it pans out that way... like Kaiden always had feelings for MaleShep but didn't realize or admit it. awww :)