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[KawaiiKatie]

Luvinn wrote...

I just want to point out and let my fellow gamers know that not all straight gamers are against this OPTION (again the word option, meaning OPTIONAL, meaning if you don't want it, you won't see it), and in fact, many of us not only support, but are rooting for you!

Thanks, man! There needs to be more rational, supportive people like you!

And to be clear, I never mean to insult gamers who happen to be heterosexual males. When I call out the so-called "Straight Male Gamer," I mean the people who don't want to see any sort of homosexuality in their game (unless it's girl-on-girl!) because they're so insecure that they fear that the smallest hint of gay content will cause them question their sexuality.

So... rock on, good sir. And thanks for the same-sex support!

[Jimmy Fury]

_The_Don wrote...
I stated that it may have an impact on sales...personal opinion..... and once again you are talking for everyone and not your own views.... I cannot speak on behalf of all heterosexuals ... Im not that deluded ... semantics is all you got 

Being that this is a conversation and not say... a pie eating competition, semantics are all I need. If you can't say what you mean then your arguments and statements are of absolutely no value to this exchange.

What you said is wrong. Even your attempt to make it vague is still wrong. There is nothing that suggests "it may have an impact on sales" and I can back that statement up by pointing to the sales of every other game that includes homosexual content right there on the disc.
And your phrasing in the statement, "So why make the other 90% of people deal with what is a extremely personal choice. "
DOES actually say that you speak for all heterosexuals because the words "deal with" means that a full 90% of the population, or all the heterosexuals, see homosexual content as a burden to be dealt with instead of a feature to be enjoyed.
And that is also wrong. And it has been proven.

So thanks to the absolutely magical nature of employing semantics in a conversation... You're still wrong.

Edit because i ironically forgot entire words...

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:15 .

[shepskisaac]

_The_Don wrote...
You quoted 3 games.....  how does this equate to fact? Are you suggesting that because they allowed same sex options it somehow increased sales?

And where did I say that? I only proved gay content doesn't decrease sales. You on the other hand claimed that it is a fact gay content decreases sales by default.

_The_Don wrote...
It could also because those 3 games you mentioned are well executed games in their own format .....

No kidding Sherlock!

_The_Don wrote...
just don't try to force me to accept the same point of view when the majority are not interested in this aspect of the relationship arcs

How am I forcing you to anything if there is an O-P-T-I-O-N to pursue a gay romance in the retail game? To what am I forcing you? Does the presence of an option to kill innocent people in RPGs forces you to accept that POV? No. You only accept stuff & options you pick & choose yourself.

_The_Don wrote...
When I am playing a game.... notice the term game... especially with role playing elements that is set in a closed realm which personal choices affect my game ... It should reflect what you want to play ... so and I riiterate ...  I want to play my fantasy without someone elses view of sexuality imposed upon my game ... and I suspect those of homosexual persuasion feel the same way ... hence the suggestion that you have downloadable content to reflect these personal choices

Yup, and I simply don't pick option to romance with opposite-gender characters. You do the same. So if you do the same and never romance same-gender characters, when exactly are you forced to accept your character being in homosexual romance?

_The_Don wrote...
Hence you made a personal choice for your play style...just like I have for mine .... but player class is a whole different kettle of fish compared to sexuality and its implications for game outcomes

It's not. It's a matter of clicking a button on an option I want to pick. Everyone is capable of doing so.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:14 .

[_The_Don]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

Yes,  the majority of people aren't gay (Congrats you win the prize for most obvious statement in this thread).  You are of course assuming that the majority of straight gamers care about the inclusion of homosexual content in your game.  Generally there is a big resounding "Meh" in the middle ground,  while there are staight people for it's inclusion (This may be difficult to understand if your opinion is based on bias or religious creed) and than there are also people against it.

Well having read through the latest replies to comments its no wonder you get a resounding silence .... I put up a piece of opinion and have been derided throughout this discussion .... and my opinion is my own ..religious and political views don't even enter it ... and yes you are correct that this is all personal opinion ....  but at least I admit to that and don't portray myself as unelected spokeman for the masses:bandit:

[Siven80]

Ah yes, another same sex romance thread.

As a straight male gamer I support the inclusion of same sex romance options in games as an option. I wont use the option myself, but theres no reason to exclude the option at all.

BUT

I just don't want the game to unrealistically portray every romanceable character as bi.

[shepskisaac]

Luvinn wrote...

As a straight male gamer, i fully support the OPTION to have same sex relationships in the game. That's right, its an OPTION. I may never use this option myself, but I am by no means bigoted enough to suggest that because I will never use it, those who would use it shouldn't be able to.

I also find it amusing too. The banner i see floating around says it all. There has be 0 M/M relationships in ME, 1 "F/F" relationship and 9 straight relationships. I really fail to not only understand, but even comprehend people that are against it. I just want to point out and let my fellow gamers know that not all straight gamers are against this OPTION (again the word option, meaning OPTIONAL, meaning if you don't want it, you won't see it), and in fact, many of us not only support, but are rooting for you!

Siven80 wrote...

As a straight male gamer I support the inclusion of same sex romance options in games as an option. I wont use the option myself, but theres no reason to exclude the option at all.

Thank you so much for support!

Siven80 wrote...

I just don't want the game to unrealistically portray every romanceable character as bi.

Nothing to worry. It's already confirmed "everyone's bi" won't happen.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:23 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Oh.
He's a victim of oppression now.

... that's fun.

And i made myself want pie <_<

[_The_Don]

LOL .... a victim because I don't agree with a pack of self congratulating sycophants ???

[Zhijn]

Im all for everyone having a romance in a rpg video game.

That said i also think this hole "every non-player character have to bi, because he/her says so" is a cheap way of doing things. Iv always enjoyed learning about a written character and what defines him/her as a person be it in a book, movie lore or a video game, straight or gay. So to take a well written character(s) and do a 180 turn just because a gamer wants to kiss and make-out is to me a fine way of ruining a character, well his/her character.

Now i have no doubt people will reply and use the "its a dialog choice, dont pick it". And i have say its not, once that option present itself the written npc character is a bi-sexual character. Dragon Age 2 is perfect example of this, pretty much everyone you could recruit was a bi-sexual character, and to me thats not how you create good story characters. Infact it make little to no sens.

What BioWare could do instead for future rpg games with romance options is to write characters that actually are bi or gay from a scripts get-go and mix the crew up abit, rather then just go for the easy fix and make every npc bi.

[Kathleen321]

Siven80 wrote...

Ah yes, another same sex romance thread.

As a straight male gamer I support the inclusion of same sex romance options in games as an option. I wont use the option myself, but theres no reason to exclude the option at all.

BUT

I just don't want the game to unrealistically portray every romanceable character as bi.

well put 

[KawaiiKatie]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Oh.
He's a victim of oppression now.

... that's fun.

I know. I'm lolzing so hard over here.

"Homosexuals shouldn't force the rest of us NORMAL to deal with their PERSONAL CHOICES 'cause the rest of us are the STANDARD in any given society and the MAJORITY of the gaming demographic!"

"No, dude. Just no. Big fat Sten no."

"STOP ATTACKING ME! YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH FACTS!"

"You're being a jerk."

"HELP, HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!"

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:30 .

[_The_Don]

That's it guys....Your only proving my point ..lol

[AngelicMachinery]

_The_Don wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

Yes,  the majority of people aren't gay (Congrats you win the prize for most obvious statement in this thread).  You are of course assuming that the majority of straight gamers care about the inclusion of homosexual content in your game.  Generally there is a big resounding "Meh" in the middle ground,  while there are staight people for it's inclusion (This may be difficult to understand if your opinion is based on bias or religious creed) and than there are also people against it.

Well having read through the latest replies to comments its no wonder you get a resounding silence .... I put up a piece of opinion and have been derided throughout this discussion .... and my opinion is my own ..religious and political views don't even enter it ... and yes you are correct that this is all personal opinion ....  but at least I admit to that and don't portray myself as unelected spokeman for the masses:bandit:

Spokes person,  silly troll saying different people think different things doesn't make me a spokes person it means I'm stating the obvious.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:34 .

[_The_Don]

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Spokes person,  silly troll saying different people think different things doesn't make me a spokes person it means I'm stating the obvious.

From your point of view....

[AngelicMachinery]

_The_Don wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Spokes person,  silly troll saying different people think different things doesn't make me a spokes person it means I'm stating the obvious.

From your point of view....

I don't think I'm drunk enough to understand this particular line of reasoning.

[Jimmy Fury]

Dude claims 90% of the population "deals with" homosexual content then claims everyone who disagrees with him is acting like a spokesperson.


On a completely related note. I have to wonder how many people joining the thread now have actually read the article the thread was started to discuss.
Someone earlier mentioned that it wasn't working for them?
It seems to be working now though.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:46 .

[Fidget6]

The article is irrelevant now since they ARE introducing new characters to be LI's, and I would be fine if a character came out in the third act if there was any indication whatsoever that they could have swung that way in the previous two. Otherwise, it just seems inconsistant to me I'm sorry. I would be fine with Garrus, Kasumi, or Jack being s/s LI's since with Garrus the relationship seems to be more him being attracted to Shepard's mind rather than her physical appearance anyway, we don't know as much about Kasumi, and Jack has been with at least one woman in the past. I would maybe be okay with Mordin since he said that if he were to try human he would try Shep (to a human male) but I think that would be rather silly since salarians have such a low sex drive and generally see relationships as impractical. For the most part though, I just want new LI's to be the s/s options.

[KawaiiKatie]

Fidget6 wrote...

I would maybe be okay with Mordin since he said that if he were to try human he would try Shep (to a human male) but I think that would be rather silly since salarians have such a low sex drive and generally see relationships as impractical.

Maybe the high of curing the genophage will give Mordin such a rush that he will want to ravage Shepard in a fit of passion come ME3.

For the most part though, I just want new LI's to be the s/s options.

Definitely wouldn't say no to some James Vega lovin'. But Kaidan comes first on my priority list, if only because my gayShep has carried a flame for Kaidan since ME1.

[_The_Don]

[quote]Jimmy Fury wrote...

Dude claims 90% of the population "deals with" homosexual content then claims everyone who disagrees with him is acting like a spokesperson.

 It is not a claim...it's a fact ... and not everyone who disagrees with me is wrong .. it is simply their view ... but I once again state that this is my personal opinion..... and unlike some do not assume all think like me 

[tobynator89]

www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/8768-Extra-Punctuation-Roleplaying-Homosexual-in-Dragon-Age-2

This pretty much sums up all my feelings on the subject. A highly enjoyable read.

[rapscallioness]

Ah, Don, it'll be alright. From all appearances ME3 looks to be an awesome game.

You know there are some players that chose not to have a romance at all. It's about choices. Options..but not DLC. Personally, I'm too cheap to keep buying DLC. Although I did have to get LotSB...and Arrival..but that's it.

But I mean, heck, if some VI video game s/s hits on you, what can you expect? Shepard is just that damn compelling! Everybody wants to bang Shep! He's the most interesting man in the world, and he damn well knows it. Shep.'s not worried, don't you be.

[Jimmy Fury]

Fidget6 wrote...

The article is irrelevant now since they ARE introducing new characters to be LI's, and I would be fine if a character came out in the third act if there was any indication whatsoever that they could have swung that way in the previous two. Otherwise, it just seems inconsistant to me I'm sorry. I would be fine with Garrus, Kasumi, or Jack being s/s LI's since with Garrus the relationship seems to be more him being attracted to Shepard's mind rather than her physical appearance anyway, we don't know as much about Kasumi, and Jack has been with at least one woman in the past. I would maybe be okay with Mordin since he said that if he were to try human he would try Shep (to a human male) but I think that would be rather silly since salarians have such a low sex drive and generally see relationships as impractical. For the most part though, I just want new LI's to be the s/s options.

For the record, before I say anything else, I too want new characters to be the s/s LI's. Or maybe previously unromancable characters (Joker maybe... juuuust out the blue with absolutely no bias or personal infatuation with seth green no none at all... )

But I'll pose a question since we're back on the subject of consistency and previous indications whatsoever that they could swing that way.
Was there ever any indication that there could be non-hostile Geth?

It's been a while since I played ME1 and I am totally open to the possibility that I missed something.

If not, a follow up question.
Would you consider Legion an inconsistency or a new piece of information?

[alperez]

There are 2 very easy solutions to those people that don't want S/S romances, don't play me3 at all and stay in your perfect little bubble where everything is exactly how you wish it to be.

Or do play and just ignore the S?S romance considering you don't wish to explore that part of the game anyway.

Seriously some of the excuses why there shouldn't be S/S romances are beginning to sound stupid.

Characters weren't previous gay or bi so over the course of a number of years (game time) all of these characters should just stay straight because thats how it was supposed to be, or making a character suddenly reveal themselves as gay or bi is retconning that character completely because so far they've never suggested their sexuality may include this facet.

People change, some take time to admit to themselves what their orientation is, sometimes it takes meeting a particular person for that side of their personality to come across.

Tali shows absolutely no sign of interest in Shepard romantically throughout me1 but when it comes to me2 its revealed that she had a crush on Shepard all along, is this retconning the character because she never admitted it in me1 or is the character growing?

If you can't see the similarities between a character showing no romantic interest in a hetrosexual romance in one game before revealing that all along they were interested in romance in another and a character showing no interest in a S/S romance who showed no interest in this in one game before showing that they are indeed interested in another then your blindness astounds me.

Characters can be good in one game and totally evil in another, they can find that what they believed in completely was totally wrong and completely change their beliefs, we see this throughout Mass effect and other games.

So if a character can be completely evil only to later on realise the folly of their actions and redeem themselves, basically changing their whole character in the process then why is it so difficult to accept a characters sexuality can also change over time?

Its not a character consistency issue, its a i don't like characters i always thought of as straight revealing that i was wrong about them and that they actually had gay/bi feelings also, which i'm sorry says more about you than it does about any retcon or character inconsitency.

We find things out about different characters the more we see/use them over time our opinions of them may change because of this, some we may learn to like more and some we may like less but if their sexuality is the be all and end all for how you feel about them, then some people have issues.

Bioware including S/S romances this time round, we all hope they handle this well, some of these S/S romances will more than likely feature characters that up to this point have not shown that side of themselves. If it bothers people that much then tough, this is what will happen so learn to live with it or don't, if its that much of an issue with you, just don't buy the game.

[_The_Don]

I know that it will have no impact on the playabilty of the game and I accept that.... what I don't want to is to have to fend off advances from SS characters while enjoying my game ... a personal choice....mine...none elses ..... and you do have a point regards the downloadable content ....perhaps an option to toggle on/off ....
And I love how you all seem to think Im scared of it...a typical misconception ... I just enjoy the escapist aspect of the game and for myself it just detracts from the experience

[Minty-Fresh]

Good Points