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[AngelicMachinery]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The writers never anticipated this level of scrutiny, I guarantee it.

The only fact in this entire thread

No wai!  Everything I say is 4 reelz.

[Beerfish]

I don't care if all the companions are available for either sex as long as they make the player dig a little before getting true romance options. Unlike DA2 where your options upon 1st meeting some characters are.

I hate you!
Who the hell are you?
Hello, pleased to meet you (with a big friggin heart icon next to it.)

[TheMarshal]

I'd love that, @Beerfish. I just don't think that we're likely to see that level of depth in Mass Effect, given that it's a hybrid shooter/rpg instead of a pure rpg.

[Duskeyboy]

my shep is gay and because of that he's 'virgin'

[Homebound]

.....Meanwhile, Ashley’s bigotry and xenophobia toward alien races..

......could be
an outward projection of her difficulty coming to terms with her own
sexuality.....

this pwns so hard.

[JamieCOTC]

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

... But asari don't have vaginas

I sure hope they have some alternative way to actually give birth to their children, then.

What are you talking about?  They just go to the cabbage patch like everybody esle.  

[jlb524]

Awesome article...I agree with it 100%

[knightnblu]

Sexuality is as individual as personality. I have no problem with offering gamers choices, but what I don't like is having alternative choices rammed down my throat. Anders in DAII comes to mind as an example of this. I feel that alternative choices should be at the discretion of the gamer if the NPC is going to get his knickers in a bunch over a polite rejection. Otherwise, these romances seem predatory rather than an alternative choice.

There is a distinct difference between friendship and sexual interest. I am merely asking for the distinction to be drawn in the gaming environment.

[tmp7704]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

... But asari don't have vaginas

I sure hope they have some alternative way to actually give birth to their children, then.

Who said they give birth the way humans do?

No one, but then also no one said they don't. Which makes me curious why you'd choose to present this as fact.

[Rinji the Bearded]

knightnblu wrote...

Sexuality is as individual as personality. I have no problem with offering gamers choices, but what I don't like is having alternative choices rammed down my throat. Anders in DAII comes to mind as an example of this. I feel that alternative choices should be at the discretion of the gamer if the NPC is going to get his knickers in a bunch over a polite rejection. Otherwise, these romances seem predatory rather than an alternative choice.

There is a distinct difference between friendship and sexual interest. I am merely asking for the distinction to be drawn in the gaming environment.

I'd really attribute that to Anders being a very sensitive and emotional person.  The ME squadmates, on the other hand, are a bit more chill.

[Twilight_Princess]

TheMarshal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Just because it works that way on earth, doesn't mean that it works that way on other planets.

What is it about other planets that makes you think that part of their anatomy would be wildly different?  I mean, they're planets that have produced bipedal humanoids which aren't vastly different from humans (nostrils, eyes, mouths, 'ears').  There may be subtle biological differences (dextro-amino, etc.) and not-so-subtle differences (secondary and tertiary organs in krogan), but if all of those things were the same, why would the whole 'Tab-A into Slot-B' form of reproduction somehow be wildly different?

And yes, my first contribution to this thread is a discussion on why alien sex organs are just like ours! 

You saw that turian use a  urinal right    "popping heat sinks", "don't ingest"  "can't wait for you to use that mouth" not to mention that "special" metal plate on garrus's new armour LOL

I love how the possibility that maybe some of alien species have similair bits to humans is so hard to consider especially when you got the asari and quarians standing there with their boobs   And the absolute certinity some people have that garrus or thane or tali wouldn't care what sex shepard was as if they wrote the characters and species themselves!

"no no it's 100% fact that drell/turians/qurians/whatever wouldn't care about shepard's sex because...they just wouldn't ok! They definitely can't tell the difference/definitely are very different to humans/ etc etc"

I can at least accept both possibilities because they are both plausible but some people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a hypothetically straight turian or drell that wouldn't go for a male human because, their voice mannerisms and junk still  translated as male to them.

[mjb203]

Han Shot First wrote...

I know, I know, Garrus already can hook up with female Shepard and Ashley seems to fancy male Shepard. But when playing as a male Shepard, I can’t recall a single time when Garrus or Kaiden made any reference to their sexual orientation. Likewise with Ashley when playing as a female Shepard. As far as relationship options go, these characters are blank slates.

I disagree with the author here.

From his point of view, any character that hasn't outright told you that he or she is straight is a blank slate that can be defined by Bioware as bisexual in the next game. The proplem with that is that people don't usually go around telling people that they are heterosexual unless they've got insecurity issues or it is relevant to a conversation, but how many times does that come up in conversation? I can think of only one time in my life where I've straight up told someone I was heterosexual, and that was in a Marine recruiting office before 'Don't ask don't tell' was implemented, and it was one of the screening questings asked along with, "Have you ever been arrested" and "Have you done drugs."

If you think of people in your life that you'd define as heterosexual, what gives you that impression? Is it because they've told you they are heterosexual or is it because they've only dated and/or married people of the opposite sex? I suspect that with the majority of people it is the latter.
 
So why shouldn't the characters in Mass Effect be similarily defined? If a character has only shown interest in Shepards of the opposite sex and their known dating history only involves people of the opposite sex, then they should return in ME3 as heterosexual romance options only. This might rule out characters like Garrus, Ashley or Kaidan for same sex romance options, but Bioware kind of dug themselves in that hole by defining them as heterosexual for two games. Jack however could be made a same sex romance option for women since she has been with a least one woman in the past.

The other issue I have with making every character that hasn't told you they are straight a blank slate, is that by default it removes heterosexual characters from the game. Now everyone is either defined as gay or bi, and those that aren't defined as gay or bi, are ambiguous rather than heterosexual. This isn't an accurate reflection of reality where there is no ambiguity about heterosexual people being the majority.

The only blank slate characters should be characters that are being introduced in Mass Effect 3, or characters from previous games who have not discussed past relationships.

I agree with you here Han Shot First.  Just because the characters haven't come out and stated plainly "I'm straight" doesn't mean they should automatically be considered ambiguous.  Granted, Bioware has many talented writers, however this stance leaves itself open to poor character development and writing. 

I know people hate the old Anders example, but he never made any indication that he swings both ways in Awakening.  In a setting where that behavior isn't frowned upon, he shouldn't have been afraid to make that fact known.  He knew the Warden Commander for, what, 6 months I believe the timeline of Awakening was, and never said anything, but he knows maleHawke five minutes and starts flirting with him if the player chooses the diplomatic option.  Doesn't make much sense to me.

So far, the only ME characters I could consider bi would be Jack and Tali (from her SB dosier and the fluster she gets no matter if you play as femShep or maleShep).  As others have pointed out Mr. Hudson tweeted that all romances will be player initiated only.  If Bioware goes ahead and makes all LIs swing both ways, I would prefer to have them not come off as one way or another, but give an obvious line that the choice will lead to romance dialog, for example, the "I want you" line to start Thane's romance.  I wasn't a big fan of how femShep always came across while talking to Jacob.

[Jimmy Fury]

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

... But asari don't have vaginas

I sure hope they have some alternative way to actually give birth to their children, then.

Who said they give birth the way humans do?

No one, but then also no one said they don't. Which makes me curious why you'd choose to present this as fact.

Two reasons:
1. Because the original statement that they do was also presented as a fact. Fire with fire and all that.

2. I could have sworn someone was asked about how both male and female Shep could have sex with a monosexed species and they explained that the Asari have a spongy amoprhic pelvic region that can adapt to their partner...
But for the life of me I can't find that now. I was hunting for it when I posted that and finally decided to just edit if I found it.
But It could very well have just been some random forum speculation that stuck in my head as the most logical explanation.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 08 juillet 2011 - 10:03 .

[tmp7704]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

2. I could have sworn someone was asked about how both male and female Shep could have sex with a monosexed species and they explained that the Asari have a spongy amoprhic pelvic region that can adapt to their partner...
But for the life of me I can't find that now. I was hunting for it when I posted that and finally decided to just edit if I found it.
But It could very well have just been some random forum speculation that stuck in my head as the most logical explanation.

I think that's some random speculation thing indeed, can't remember ever reading that or such thing being mentioned in the game   ME2 describes the mating process more like merging of the nervous systems through the skin and getting access to other person's thoughts, memories etc which is then used by the asari to configure the offspring. That may well imply that there isn't any "tab A into slot B" thing going on at all during the actual act, and so no physical adaptation would be needed at all.

[AngelicMachinery]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Just because it works that way on earth, doesn't mean that it works that way on other planets.

What is it about other planets that makes you think that part of their anatomy would be wildly different?  I mean, they're planets that have produced bipedal humanoids which aren't vastly different from humans (nostrils, eyes, mouths, 'ears').  There may be subtle biological differences (dextro-amino, etc.) and not-so-subtle differences (secondary and tertiary organs in krogan), but if all of those things were the same, why would the whole 'Tab-A into Slot-B' form of reproduction somehow be wildly different?

And yes, my first contribution to this thread is a discussion on why alien sex organs are just like ours! 

You saw that turian use a  urinal right    "popping heat sinks", "don't ingest"  "can't wait for you to use that mouth" not to mention that "special" metal plate on garrus's new armour LOL

I love how the possibility that maybe some of alien species have similair bits to humans is so hard to consider especially when you got the asari and quarians standing there with their boobs   And the absolute certinity some people have that garrus or thane or tali wouldn't care what sex shepard was as if they wrote the characters and species themselves!

"no no it's 100% fact that drell/turians/qurians/whatever wouldn't care about shepard's sex because...they just wouldn't ok! They definitely can't tell the difference/definitely are very different to humans/ etc etc"

I can at least accept both possibilities because they are both plausible but some people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a hypothetically straight turian or drell that wouldn't go for a male human because, their voice mannerisms and junk still  translated as male to them.

Most of my theories are for the most part rambling,  I KNOW, that every race has connecting parts that defines them as one sex or the other.  I do often like to ask what if,  as alien body types and the like offer interesting ways to look at gender,  sexuality,  and all that fun stuff.  Admittedly,  I know that this isn’t going to be what it’s like in a mainstream sci-fi game that explores romances that cross species boundaries.

I do admit I do kind of have a hard time wrapping my head around some of the interspecies relationships simply because of how utterly alien the partners are to one another.  Though, it seems to be only superficial because no matter what when you get down to it they do all end up being humans with slightly different “Paint jobs.”  The quarian’s and turians particularly press this button for me,  sure, the quarian’s are essentially humanoid but the biological difference is just so extreme that skin to skin contact can cause rashes and severe allergic reactions in each other. 

It just seems that the sex of the person wouldn’t be as big of a factor if it was your own species considering the fact that there is nothing outside of personality that your typical turian is going to look at on a human and say “Dayum that’s hawt.”  The secondary sexual characteristics (Which seem to be key to sexual attraction) are all off (Point in fact I would argue that males have “More supportive waists” )

I do think you are jumping a bit to conclusions with the idea of Mannerisms and voice sounding male,  particularly amongst the Krogan, Turians, and Salarians.    I suspect that the gender divide would be much less obvious to a human thanks to the fact that they don’t seem to draw any inspiration from humans outside of the vague humanoid shape.

I’m actually surprised that Salarians have sex, as most amphibians seem to simply deposited sperm on already laid eggs.

I do admit that there is a possibility that people choose their partners based solely on sex,  yet,  I see nothing set in stone that would suggest that this is entirely true.  You can laugh at the reasoning,  but,  point in fact it is not entirely unreasonable particularly as the species become more and more different from each other.

Take it as you will,  but,  for the most part all of us who are pro same sex don’t have much to go on.  We look for potential perhaps a bit to rabidly,  but,  really what else are we going to talk about?  It’s not like the hetero character where as long as the plumbing matches up everyone is up for a tumble no matter how itchy or psychadellic it is.

[_The_Don]

With all the crap being stirred up by these same sex relationship arcs i wonder why bioware would even bother going down this path . The negative aspects to game sales would have to outpace the positives as roughly 10% of the population is gay or bisexual . So why make the other 90% of people deal with what is a extremely personal choice.
If having same sex options is THAT important to the game then why is it only coming out in the third installment? Same for DA2 ...... If certain people want those options then make it a downloadable content option .... but don't make all of us accept your personal point of view in regards to sexuality as it is a private and personal choice .
And for those who will say I'm a homophobe well you are entitled to your opinion but you cannot argue that heterosexual is the standard form in any society .... otherwise it makes it a bit hard to continue on the species 

Modifié par _The_Don, 08 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[Twilight_Princess]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Just because it works that way on earth, doesn't mean that it works that way on other planets.

What is it about other planets that makes you think that part of their anatomy would be wildly different?  I mean, they're planets that have produced bipedal humanoids which aren't vastly different from humans (nostrils, eyes, mouths, 'ears').  There may be subtle biological differences (dextro-amino, etc.) and not-so-subtle differences (secondary and tertiary organs in krogan), but if all of those things were the same, why would the whole 'Tab-A into Slot-B' form of reproduction somehow be wildly different?

And yes, my first contribution to this thread is a discussion on why alien sex organs are just like ours! 

You saw that turian use a  urinal right    "popping heat sinks", "don't ingest"  "can't wait for you to use that mouth" not to mention that "special" metal plate on garrus's new armour LOL

I love how the possibility that maybe some of alien species have similair bits to humans is so hard to consider especially when you got the asari and quarians standing there with their boobs   And the absolute certinity some people have that garrus or thane or tali wouldn't care what sex shepard was as if they wrote the characters and species themselves!

"no no it's 100% fact that drell/turians/qurians/whatever wouldn't care about shepard's sex because...they just wouldn't ok! They definitely can't tell the difference/definitely are very different to humans/ etc etc"

I can at least accept both possibilities because they are both plausible but some people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a hypothetically straight turian or drell that wouldn't go for a male human because, their voice mannerisms and junk still  translated as male to them.

Most of my theories are for the most part rambling,  I KNOW, that every race has connecting parts that defines them as one sex or the other.  I do often like to ask what if,  as alien body types and the like offer interesting ways to look at gender,  sexuality,  and all that fun stuff.  Admittedly,  I know that this isn’t going to be what it’s like in a mainstream sci-fi game that explores romances that cross species boundaries.

I do admit I do kind of have a hard time wrapping my head around some of the interspecies relationships simply because of how utterly alien the partners are to one another.  Though, it seems to be only superficial because no matter what when you get down to it they do all end up being humans with slightly different “Paint jobs.”  The quarian’s and turians particularly press this button for me,  sure, the quarian’s are essentially humanoid but the biological difference is just so extreme that skin to skin contact can cause rashes and severe allergic reactions in each other. 

It just seems that the sex of the person wouldn’t be as big of a factor if it was your own species considering the fact that there is nothing outside of personality that your typical turian is going to look at on a human and say “Dayum that’s hawt.”  The secondary sexual characteristics (Which seem to be key to sexual attraction) are all off (Point in fact I would argue that males have “More supportive waists” )

I do think you are jumping a bit to conclusions with the idea of Mannerisms and voice sounding male,  particularly amongst the Krogan, Turians, and Salarians.    I suspect that the gender divide would be much less obvious to a human thanks to the fact that they don’t seem to draw any inspiration from humans outside of the vague humanoid shape.

I’m actually surprised that Salarians have sex, as most amphibians seem to simply deposited sperm on already laid eggs.

I do admit that there is a possibility that people choose their partners based solely on sex,  yet,  I see nothing set in stone that would suggest that this is entirely true.  You can laugh at the reasoning,  but,  point in fact it is not entirely unreasonable particularly as the species become more and more different from each other.

Take it as you will,  but,  for the most part all of us who are pro same sex don’t have much to go on.  We look for potential perhaps a bit to rabidly,  but,  really what else are we going to talk about?  It’s not like the hetero character where as long as the plumbing matches up everyone is up for a tumble no matter how itchy or psychadellic it is.

When I say male mannerisms and voice I'm strictly going on how the male turians , male drell, male/ female quarians etc act and sound like now in comparison to the humans in the mass effect universe now, and at the moment they do sound and act the same to their human counterparts.

and I don't think any of the li's chose shepard solely because they were a man/woman. I only said that it is  possibly important in order to help them transfer to another species , so what I mean is that it plays a role not that they suddenly think "dayam she's hot!" or that it is the only reason they are with shepard. What I'm objecting to is the insistence that it doesn't matter at all which isn't based in fact. I'm just saying it's possible that it could matter not that it's all they care about.

Kind of like a guy who wouldn't ever date someone big/thin/whatever because  it is an absolute turn off for them , to a point where they'd say "never in a millions years". but  then they meet someone with a great personality that wins them over . They still don't find them "hawt" in a physical sense and while it was the personality won them over that doesn't mean they wouldn't care that if they if that person was actually a big/thin/whatever man, like there was no difference anymore just because they weren't physically attractive.

I too don't insist what I say is 100% true but only that it's  plausible and that's all I'm saying.

[Jimmy Fury]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
I love how the possibility that maybe some of alien species have similair bits to humans is so hard to consider

Apologies if I missed something but I haven't seen anyone who finds that possiblity so hard to consider... at all.

I myself think similar (not exactly the same) bits are quite likely for the sexually dimorphic species. As someone pointed out. Tab A into Slot B is a pretty efficient system for sexual procreation so evolution would probably repeat it elsewhere. Indeed, in order for Shep him/herself to express a physical attraction to one of the aliens I would think their bits would have to at least be.... aesthetically pleasing and thus similar in some way.
I'd actually argue against anyone who would suggest that the parts are completely irrelivant to either party. Sexual arousal is very much tied to visual stimuli and it takes a certain... special type of person to be turned on by ladybits that look like Cthulhu.
It would be the same argument I used for why Fem!Shep/Liara requires Fem!Shep to be either lesbian or bi. She would have to be attracted to the human female form to also be attracted to Liara since Liara shares all of the external sexual indicators of a human female.


Now I'll argue the Asari until my fingers fall off but that isn't because I find the possibilities hard to accept but because I'm still bitter at Bioware for caving and claiming the Asari aren't actually female to try to escape the terribly scandelous inclusion of a same-sex hookup <_<

[shepskisaac]

_The_Don wrote...
With all the crap being stirred up by these same sex relationship arcs i wonder why bioware would even bother going down this path . The negative aspects to game sales would have to outpace the positives as roughly 10% of the population is gay or bisexual . So why make the other 90% of people deal with what is a extremely personal choice.

The sales of DAO, Fable or The Sims (best selling video game franchise ever BTW) prove your little tactic aimed to scare off devs from implementing gay content ain't working

_The_Don wrote...
but don't make all of us accept your personal point of view in regards to sexuality as it is a private and personal choice.

Ain't nobody's forcing you to play these gay romances so what's your problem bro?

_The_Don wrote...
And for those who will say I'm a homophobe well you are entitled to your opinion but you cannot argue that heterosexual is the standard form in any society .... otherwise it makes it a bit hard to continue on the species 

Asari disagree

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 juillet 2011 - 11:02 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Just because it works that way on earth, doesn't mean that it works that way on other planets.

What is it about other planets that makes you think that part of their anatomy would be wildly different?  I mean, they're planets that have produced bipedal humanoids which aren't vastly different from humans (nostrils, eyes, mouths, 'ears').  There may be subtle biological differences (dextro-amino, etc.) and not-so-subtle differences (secondary and tertiary organs in krogan), but if all of those things were the same, why would the whole 'Tab-A into Slot-B' form of reproduction somehow be wildly different?

And yes, my first contribution to this thread is a discussion on why alien sex organs are just like ours! 

You saw that turian use a  urinal right    "popping heat sinks", "don't ingest"  "can't wait for you to use that mouth" not to mention that "special" metal plate on garrus's new armour LOL

I love how the possibility that maybe some of alien species have similair bits to humans is so hard to consider especially when you got the asari and quarians standing there with their boobs   And the absolute certinity some people have that garrus or thane or tali wouldn't care what sex shepard was as if they wrote the characters and species themselves!

"no no it's 100% fact that drell/turians/qurians/whatever wouldn't care about shepard's sex because...they just wouldn't ok! They definitely can't tell the difference/definitely are very different to humans/ etc etc"

I can at least accept both possibilities because they are both plausible but some people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a hypothetically straight turian or drell that wouldn't go for a male human because, their voice mannerisms and junk still  translated as male to them.

Most of my theories are for the most part rambling,  I KNOW, that every race has connecting parts that defines them as one sex or the other.  I do often like to ask what if,  as alien body types and the like offer interesting ways to look at gender,  sexuality,  and all that fun stuff.  Admittedly,  I know that this isn’t going to be what it’s like in a mainstream sci-fi game that explores romances that cross species boundaries.

I do admit I do kind of have a hard time wrapping my head around some of the interspecies relationships simply because of how utterly alien the partners are to one another.  Though, it seems to be only superficial because no matter what when you get down to it they do all end up being humans with slightly different “Paint jobs.”  The quarian’s and turians particularly press this button for me,  sure, the quarian’s are essentially humanoid but the biological difference is just so extreme that skin to skin contact can cause rashes and severe allergic reactions in each other. 

It just seems that the sex of the person wouldn’t be as big of a factor if it was your own species considering the fact that there is nothing outside of personality that your typical turian is going to look at on a human and say “Dayum that’s hawt.”  The secondary sexual characteristics (Which seem to be key to sexual attraction) are all off (Point in fact I would argue that males have “More supportive waists” )

I do think you are jumping a bit to conclusions with the idea of Mannerisms and voice sounding male,  particularly amongst the Krogan, Turians, and Salarians.    I suspect that the gender divide would be much less obvious to a human thanks to the fact that they don’t seem to draw any inspiration from humans outside of the vague humanoid shape.

I’m actually surprised that Salarians have sex, as most amphibians seem to simply deposited sperm on already laid eggs.

I do admit that there is a possibility that people choose their partners based solely on sex,  yet,  I see nothing set in stone that would suggest that this is entirely true.  You can laugh at the reasoning,  but,  point in fact it is not entirely unreasonable particularly as the species become more and more different from each other.

Take it as you will,  but,  for the most part all of us who are pro same sex don’t have much to go on.  We look for potential perhaps a bit to rabidly,  but,  really what else are we going to talk about?  It’s not like the hetero character where as long as the plumbing matches up everyone is up for a tumble no matter how itchy or psychadellic it is.

When I say male mannerisms and voice I'm strictly going on how the male turians , male drell, male/ female quarians etc act and sound like now in comparison to the humans in the mass effect universe now, and at the moment they do sound and act the same to their human counterparts.

and I don't think any of the li's chose shepard solely because they were a man/woman. I only said that it is  possibly important in order to help them transfer to another species , so what I mean is that it plays a role not that they suddenly think "dayam she's hot!" or that it is the only reason they are with shepard. What I'm objecting to is the insistence that it doesn't matter at all which isn't based in fact. I'm just saying it's possible that it could matter not that it's all they care about.

Kind of like a guy who wouldn't ever date someone big/thin/whatever because  it is an absolute turn off for them , to a point where they'd say "never in a millions years". but  then they meet someone with a great personality that wins them over . They still don't find them "hawt" in a physical sense and while it was the personality won them over that doesn't mean they wouldn't care that if they if that person was actually a big/thin/whatever man, like there was no difference anymore just because they weren't physically attractive.

I too don't insist what I say is 100% true but only that it's  plausible and that's all I'm saying.

You see though,  particularly with the Turians, drell, salarians, and krogan we only get to view their species males.  While I have no problem with their voices and personality being viewed as “Male human.” The thing is it is entirely possible that the female of the species could very well be strike the very same cord with you.  You could be right but there is nothing to say that the roles and traits that human’s identify as feminine are going to be present in an alien species (well outside of what's between their legs).    Unfortunatly,  we’ll never know because bioware seems to have decided that unless a female has a basic human body structure they aren’t going to be shown.

Indeed,  it may be an easier transitioning point from one to another.  I’m not entirely sure how having an innie or an outie would assist one in jumping the species divide myself,  but,  I’m sure people may find comfort in it.  I am not discounting this,  but,  I don’t find it to be necessary when the relationship falls so far outside of species norms. 

I personally haven’t seen anyone say “Garrus doesn’t care about gender because he’s hit on a human”  I’ve seen “Garrus may not care about Gender because he’s hit on a human.”  Which really is no different than what you yourself is saying.  So I’m not sure why you think that people are saying that “This is definitely how it works” when they themselves are only forming their own hypothesis.

Also, the argument for pro S/s tali has nothing to do with the alien nature of the two (Quarians and Humans posses many of the same secondary sexual traits)  it comes down to the fact that some people (Me included) felt that the girl was a tad "Flustered" when she brought up linking suits.

[_The_Don]

IsaacShep wrote...

_The_Don wrote...
With all the crap being stirred up by these same sex relationship arcs i wonder why bioware would even bother going down this path . The negative aspects to game sales would have to outpace the positives as roughly 10% of the population is gay or bisexual . So why make the other 90% of people deal with what is a extremely personal choice.

The sales of DAO, Fable or The Sims (best selling video game franchise ever BTW) prove your little tactic aimed to scare off devs from implementing gay content ain't working

What scare campaign??? Statement of facts...... 

_The_Don wrote...
but don't make all of us accept your personal point of view in regards to sexuality as it is a private and personal choice.

Ain't nobody's forcing you to play these gay romances so what's your problem bro?

By definition putting them in a game makes it part of viable content.... read my prior message for any clarification on this part ...and Im not your "bro"

_The_Don wrote...
And for those who will say I'm a homophobe well you are entitled to your opinion but you cannot argue that heterosexual is the standard form in any society .... otherwise it makes it a bit hard to continue on the species 

Asari disagree

You know how to reproduce by rubbing two sticks together???? 

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

And why would you think that the players' sexuality has anything to do with the options they want in the game? Creepy relationship threads aside, most people don't pursue the romances because they're personally attracted to the characters.

[Jimmy Fury]

_The_Don wrote...
Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

Hows this for a non-attacking intelligent comeback:
Your argument rests on the verifiably incorrect assumption that only homosexual players want homosexual content AND that homosexual content in some way removes heterosexual content from the game.

Both are verifiably false. There are plenty of heterosexual female gamers who enjoy playing as gay/bisexual males characters and even more heterosexual male players who enjoy playing as lesbians.
(because you see cutting all homosexual content means lesbian content must also be cut)
And the inclusion of s/s romance options in no way forces the removal of heterosexual romance options which are the only things in the game that can be classified "heterosexual content".

[Cypher0020]

article errors out for me any other way I can read it?

[_The_Don]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

_The_Don wrote...

 Typical to go straight on the attack  ...if you have no intelligent comebacks go straight for the throat ...  I explained why I thought it should be a downloadable content as THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL...so once again the majority have to bow out for the minority.....that's fair

And why would you think that the players' sexuality has anything to do with the options they want in the game? Creepy relationship threads aside, most people don't pursue the romances because they're personally attracted to the characters.

 
IF they feel the need to have a SS relationship with another character then by all means give them the option but make it a downloadable content..... that way both sides of the fence can play the game the way they want without imposing upon everyone elses personal preferences