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[Kreidian]

This is just a thought that I've wanted to share. I'm kinda surprised no one has really discussed this yet - or at least at my in ability to find such a thread; I fully admit I may utterly suck at the intarwebs this early in the morning.

So assuming they survive, the only two teammates that have been with shepard at every step of the way since the very begining, in every single game, will be Garrus and Tali. Now certainly fan favoritism has played a role in this, but I do think it's interesting that the two most loyal teammates, willing to work with Shepard even while she was working with Cerberus, were these two aliens. ( So alien infact that they even have a different base carbon pattern. )

At the very least it would be nice to see some serious acknowledgement of this in the game.

Granted, technically speaking they weren't there from the very begining, and certainly not at every step of the way, after all, you don't even meet them until well after Eden Prime. As far as the whole crew goes, that honor belongs to Joker and Dr. Chakwas. Even though they pretty much just stay on the ship the whole time there is no doubt they've been the most loyal out of all of Shepard's crew. Hell they jumped on board Shepard's crew in the second game before Shepard even knew she had a crew to work with. In fact out of everyone in the entire franchise, Joker has the unique quality of being the only person gaurenteed to live through all three games. Not even Shepard herself can really lay that claim.

Now that's something I'd really love to see mentioned in ME3.

[littlezack]

Wrex and Liara were willing to work with Shepard, too, they just had other crap to deal with. And they both help you, in their own ways.

[Dariustwinblade]

Liara risks her life and goes through hell to get your body back so you can get resurrected. After your dead that far more loyalty than Garrus and Tali who you have to save to get them on your team.

[Dariustwinblade]

Oh! And I should mention Joker is the reason you are dead in Me2.

[Urazz]

Yeah, Wrex and Liara are pretty much just as loyal as Garrus and Tali. The only difference was that Wrex and Liara were in positions that prevented them from joining Shepard. Tali and Garrus were not actually doing anything that would prevent them from joining Shepard. Even if Garrus didn't lose his team, I think he would've left for Shepard and let his team work by themselves (or hell even bring his team with him). Tali herself pretty much was just more of an elite soldier/marine for the quarians and thus didn't have any responsibilities to attend to once she finished her mission when you recruited her.

[GodWood]

I ratted out Tali's war-criminal dad.
She's not loyal

[Candidate 88766]

Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Chakwas and Anderson are all very loyal to Shepard despite everything. Liara is arguably the most loyal, risking everything to save your body from the Collectors.

[The Elder King]

I think that in the eventuality that in ME3 we'll have to choose between Geth and Quarians, Tali will not be that loyal if we'll choose the former.

[Eurhetemec]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Chakwas and Anderson are all very loyal to Shepard despite everything. Liara is arguably the most loyal, risking everything to save your body from the Collectors.

Exactly. I think Tali is actually the least-loyal in many ways, given that she initially refuses to join your for a mission that she doesn't even seem to fully understand and that she thinks is important but isn't really able to explain how.

Still, pretty loyal. Moreso than VS, that's for sure.

[The Elder King]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Chakwas and Anderson are all very loyal to Shepard despite everything. Liara is arguably the most loyal, risking everything to save your body from the Collectors.

It depends on people's choice. Wrex could be dead, because he didn't trust you enough. Garrus and Tali could not be loyal at the end of ME2.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Yes they should have something. I consider them friends and confidants for shep weather he's their LI (tali's case) or not (Garrus's case) I would like more dialogue for them sense I para them maybe make it dependant on that I know the rens don't necessarily like them. But maybe in game the get recognized by npc's too and they can perhapse get things shep can't (you know beyound discounts) for instance say shep is undercover speaking to a badguy and it's not going well Garrus shows up and starts talking like his old cop self and the badguy recognizes him and gives up the info shep was trying to pry out of him stealthily or something.

[Smeelia]

Eurhetemec wrote...

Exactly. I think Tali is actually the least-loyal in many ways, given that she initially refuses to join your for a mission that she doesn't even seem to fully understand and that she thinks is important but isn't really able to explain how.

Still, pretty loyal. Moreso than VS, that's for sure.

Loyalty doesn't always mean doing what you say, sometimes there are better ways to help than simply hanging around with someone or doing what they want (even doing something they don't like can sometimes be more loyal).

I kind of wonder if Ashley/Kaidan might have more going on than we know about in ME2, it's quite possible they had their own mission that was also important (and it's not like you needed them to get the job done).  Having the courage to say no to Shepard might well have been the most loyal thing they could do at the time.  That's pure speculation of course but I'd be surprised if we don't find they've been doing some useful work.

Closer to the main topic, I like Garrus and Tali and I'll have at least one Shepard who uses them as much as possible.  It'll be a real shame if they're only available for a limited time in ME3.  I wont feel any need to make a "big deal" out of having had them along in every game though, just having them there speaks for itself really.

[TheObsoleteModel]

I would have to go with Liara on this. Really, it depends on your choices and in my game Liara was truely loyal. I understood her side of things and I do believe she would have gone with me during ME2 if she could. She felt she had a responibility and I owed her a lot. In the end I didn't feel she abandoned me because I did LotSB post game and after all else was completed so in my game she really didn't need to join my team after the final mission because there were no other missions besides the Arrival.

Liara was the first character I went to find in ME1, she remained in my group throughout and I hope she will be there during the final battles of ME3. It just seems fitting.

[GodWood]

I'd say Liara is definitely the most loyal.
However, I'd also say she is definitely the most crazy and I would not at all be suprised to find out she has a shrine in her closet that is in the shape of Shepard.

[Welsh Inferno]

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

[Candidate 88766]

hhh89 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Liara, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Chakwas and Anderson are all very loyal to Shepard despite everything. Liara is arguably the most loyal, risking everything to save your body from the Collectors.

It depends on people's choice. Wrex could be dead, because he didn't trust you enough. Garrus and Tali could not be loyal at the end of ME2.

Fair point, but I mean assuming they are alive/loyal. 

[AngelicMachinery]

GodWood wrote...

I'd say Liara is definitely the most loyal.
However, I'd also say she is definitely the most crazy and I would not at all be suprised to find out she has a shrine in her closet that is in the shape of Shepard.

Made of hair plz.

I  her,  but,  damn the girl is a bit nutters.

As for making a big deal out of Garrus and Tali being in all the games,  isn't it enough, that you know they've been in all the games?

[Praetor Knight]

Maybe Anderson is at the top.

Seeing as how he is not following Shepard, like the crew and companions are. I mean Anderson is, after all, willing to take a bullet or knock out a certain someone to get you to continue your pursuit of Saren. Then Anderson is ready and willing to vouch for you when you reemerge two years later with a certain "evil empire" on your back.

I mean that's a lot of faith to put into one individual, so that might be "true" loyalty.
(And Keith David rocks )



Then with Liara, maybe she has some deep rooted sense of needing to return the favor of being saved.

So even if she is not the LI, she still feels obliged to try and save Shepard as Shepard saved her on Therum, when she learns of what happened and works with Feron.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 08 juillet 2011 - 04:40 .

[JukeFrog]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

I'm inclined to agree with this claim. Not to mention she dedicated two years of her life to save someone she knew for a week or two at most.

[TobyHasEyes]

I prefer them to have loyalty to the cause over loyalty to me.. so with the VS not joining my team in ME2 I don't see it as a huge issue

Does sometimes seem odd to me that Liara doesn't want to join Shepard's team, when she knows how important his mission is. But it seems come ME3 she comes back to the fold so again.. all are welcome

[Rulid]

Liara has been my LI for 90% of my plays but let's face it: she spent two years of angst going after your charred corpse. Is she a necrophiliac too?

[Ryzaki]

Garrus and Tali are my Sheps BFs Garrus is a BFF though.

[FlyinElk212]

Technically you could argue that Liara is also among the most loyal of Shepard's crew. Sure, she doesn't actually join you in ME2, but she IS the reason why you came back to life in the first place. Can't really get much more loyal than that.

Any which way, I do want those 3 to get some form of acknowledgment by Brick Shepard.

[Praetor Knight]

JukeFrog wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

I'm inclined to agree with this claim. Not to mention she dedicated two years of her life to save someone she knew for a week or two at most.

*Note: I might be a tad too spoilerific*

But I might want to try and understand this from an Asari's perspective. And I think she felt that she owed Shepard, so she tracked Shepard down as we learn in that comic, knowing how important Shepard is to defeating the Reapers. Then she loses Feron in the process and gives Shepard to Cerberus.

So with her drive, Liara knew that if she found Feron, she would then be able to find the SB and defeat it or the organization. I mean she did seem surprised to see that Feron was still alive.

So in other words, maybe Liara is just a very good strategist who has lost people close to her (like her mom) and that she wants to do what she can to help or save them.

At any rate, I'm glad she's on Shepard's side, especially with her new toys...

Rulid wrote...

Liara has been my LI for 90% of my plays but let's face it: she spent two years of angst going after your charred corpse. Is she a necrophiliac too?

IMHO, I think it took less than two years to rebuild Shepard, not recover the body.

IIRC, the comic seems to begin one month after the Normandy is destroyed and might span at least a months time, but I'm not sure.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 08 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .

[Terastar]

Loyalty is a two way street. Where is your loyalty toward your friends or LI ? Did they hurt your feelings and make you mad so that you went and found another LI or will refuse to be friends with them? Most of the time if you are honest with yourself your reaction is because they hurt your feelings and you refuse to see anything from their point of view.