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[Patchwork]

Some of Liara's loyalty could be because of the mind melds in ME1. Even if Shepard is less than nice she's still the only other person who sees the Prothean warning. Retrieving Shepard is partly selfish because she wants Shepard to fight off the Reapers.

[Han Shot First]

So assuming they survive, the only two teammates that have been with shepard at every step of the way since the very begining, in every single game, will be Garrus and Tali. Now certainly fan favoritism has played a role in this, but I do think it's interesting that the two most loyal teammates, willing to work with Shepard even while she was working with Cerberus, were these two aliens. ( So alien infact that they even have a different base carbon pattern.

Liara isn't with you in Mass Effect 2, but she's actually the most loyal squad mate to you in the game. Following your death she literally goes to hell and back to recover your corpse, and to prevent the Shadow Broker from obtaining it and turning it over to the Collectors. She turns your corpse over to Cerberus for the Lazarus project.

If not for Liara Shepard is still dead and the Collectors are doing who knows what with your corpse.

[Drone223]

To me Tali and Garrus are proberly the most loyal since they fought with shepard since ME 1 they've been through many battles with Shepard and will fight with him till the bitter end,

Liara however i'm not 100% certain even though she saves shepards body from the shadow broker but having a pecie of his/her old amour in her home if especially you don't have her as your LI is really creepy and a clear sign of hero worship

The VS has a right to be concernd about shepard as seen on horizon given that they both seen what Cerberus has done in the uncharted missions, Cerberus could be using shepard as a tool to achieve their own goals rather than shepards goal since the have a huge trake record of turning against their own people, the VS imo is still loyal to shepard

[Nerevar-as]

Liara falls for Shepard in ME1, or I guess between ME1 and 2 if you leave Therum for last. It can get creepy, but I got the feeling from the run I hadn´t romanced her that she´s getting over it after LotSB, and finally found an emotional balance. Still a loyal friend however. I play LotSB before SM, so she has very good reasons not to join SM (and I think the original plan before LotSB went DLC was to have it like that).

Chakwas and Joker join a terrorist organization to help Shepard. Hard to be more loyal to a person than that. Then Garrus, Tali and Wrex. VS comes across really bad compared to them. I´m not so angry at them because I´m more at whoever wrote the meeting so badly.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Ser Bard wrote...

Some of Liara's loyalty could be because of the mind melds in ME1. Even if Shepard is less than nice she's still the only other person who sees the Prothean warning. Retrieving Shepard is partly selfish because she wants Shepard to fight off the Reapers.

Never thought about the ren selfish approach with her. That could be her Benezia showing! It's odd they don't have her say why shep is important to her sense she'll say that line regardless of weather or not you romanced her.

[Quole]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Oh! And I should mention Joker is the reason you are dead in Me2.

And he doesnt even thank you for saving his life.

[Victia]

Garrus, Tali, Liara (even if its in a creepy way), chakwas and Joker (I like to think joker thanked Shep in the time it took to get from TIM to the SR-2, just that we didnt see it) are 100% loyal IMO.

I really dont like Kaiden or Ashley and after their little tantrum I really hate them both so I cant really be objective on that one but I will still say no they arnt loyal to Shep - just the Alliance,(they come accross as spoilt children who where just as mad that their mentor died and didnt call for 2 years as they where about the fact that s/he is working for Cerberus)

[Kachie]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

I dunno. It's not so creepy with her for me. It's not like she stalks me or anything, or has the need to hang on me all the time (mind you she is my LI).

Despite whether you romance Liara or not she still cares a great deal for Shepard (male or female), and she's willing, and has been willing, to do whatever it takes to help him/her out with the Reaper fight.

It's not so creepy when someone loves another person and wants to do what they can for them, even if the feelings aren't mutual.

[Victia]

Kachie wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

I dunno. It's not so creepy with her for me. It's not like she stalks me or anything, or has the need to hang on me all the time (mind you she is my LI).

Despite whether you romance Liara or not she still cares a great deal for Shepard (male or female), and she's willing, and has been willing, to do whatever it takes to help him/her out with the Reaper fight.

It's not so creepy when someone loves another person and wants to do what they can for them, even if the feelings aren't mutual.

I really like Liara and sheps reunion (as friends) simply because she is the only person who obviously mourned Shep - ok having your armour on display is creepy but it was still nice for someone to openly ingame get emotional about Sheps return, when alot of characters just seem to shrug the whole little death incident off!

[DarkDragon777]

I'd say the truly loyal squadmates are: Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Wrex, Grunt, Legion, Liara, Miranda, and Mordin.

[hawkens982]

In my opinion Liara has to be the most loyal. Through ME1 and recollecting Shepard's body, no one else has done that for Shepard of all the squad members. Finding shepard's body could've been a joint venture of all the squaddies from ME1, but only Liara did it.

PS: What does VS stand for?

[Victia]

hawkens982 wrote...

In my opinion Liara has to be the most loyal. Through ME1 and recollecting Shepard's body, no one else has done that for Shepard of all the squad members. Finding shepard's body could've been a joint venture of all the squaddies from ME1, but only Liara did it.

PS: What does VS stand for?

Virmire Surviror

[Ryzaki]

@Kachie: It's creepy and kind of pathetic when they do all that for someone who tells them their kind is disgusting and is rude to them at every opportunity.

[Kachie]

JukeFrog wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Liara is creepy loyal. Unless you romanced her there's no way she'd go to the lengths she did to get your body.

I'm inclined to agree with this claim. Not to mention she dedicated two years of her life to save someone she knew for a week or two at most.

Liara knows shepard a little longer then that at least. It even says in the game a month AFTER the battle for the Citadel is when Shep dies.

As far as how much time passes during the game I'd of assumed more like maybe a month? A lot happens in the game. Edem Prime, Virmire, Zhu's Hope, Noveria, and yes even Ilos. Chasing a mad man and former Spectre across the galaxy would take more then a couple weeks to do, even with the mass relays, I'm sure travel time is a bit lengthy at times

[Kachie]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Kachie: It's creepy and kind of pathetic when they do all that for someone who tells them their kind is disgusting and is rude to them at every opportunity.

In that case I could understand, but really it's kind of a limit on what Bioware can implement in a game at this time too. Besides the comics clearly say Liara saved Shepard after he/she died. They can't take into consideration the small some who were completely mean to Liara when they have a story to follow through on after a SET based comic story, one we had no control over.

Even then, if the comic hadn't been produced they'd have to come up with a completely different person/reason for bringing Shepard back to life.

Even if they didn't kill of Shepard how else do we explain the change in who Shepard's working with (I don't so for because clearly Shepard doesn't trust Cerberus in most cases)

[Kachie]

Actually I'd also like to say this as an example:

Even if you were completely mean to her, and she knew you were being mean to her, a mind meld would tell her who you were on the inside, and everyone is different on the inside from how to act on the out.

For example: 

My main Shepard, Katelyn. Renegade through and through, she wouldn't hesitate to make a call that's more ruthless or violent, or potentially harm someone who didn't deserver it, but just happened to be there at the right moment (mind you she wouldn't purposely try to harm an innocent).

Liara saw into my Shepard (the way I wrote my stories) and saw the potential for someone who could be better, do good, and change their ways if only to DO better for themselves.

Liara could essentially see something within your Shepard that makes her want to help regardless of how you've treated her.

[Dean_the_Young]

In Exile wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Garrus... Garrus disappointed me by going to Omega. I don't blame him at all for being willing to work with Shepard, but god damn he needs some patience and to stick with a cause past the point it becomes tedius and frustrating.

Garrus being a hothead with more heart than sense is pretty crucial to his character.

It was crucial to his character, but part of ME1's development was that Shepard was helping him mature in one direction or another. Garrus was conflicted between two aspects, and Shepard could help resolve it...

And then Garrus went right back for not much reason besides simplying why he was on Omega. 'Hotheadedness' certainly wasn't necessary at that point.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Your best friends are the ones willing to tell you when you're wrong.

You're wrong.

Best friends are the ones willing to help you hide boides.

[Ryzaki]

Kachie wrote...

In that case I could understand, but really it's kind of a limit on what Bioware can implement in a game at this time too. Besides the comics clearly say Liara saved Shepard after he/she died. They can't take into consideration the small some who were completely mean to Liara when they have a story to follow through on after a SET based comic story, one we had no control over.

Even then, if the comic hadn't been produced they'd have to come up with a completely different person/reason for bringing Shepard back to life.

Even if they didn't kill of Shepard how else do we explain the change in who Shepard's working with (I don't so for because clearly Shepard doesn't trust Cerberus in most cases)

 

Small? There's no way of knowing how many players weren't nice to Liara. 

And frankly I don't care about the comics. Her doing it doesn't make the action any less creepy and pathetic. 

Uh no they wouldn't have. They could've avoided the stupidity that killing Shepard off entailed from the jum. 

Put him in a coma. Have the Allianace abandon him to never waking up and have Cerberus collect him and wake him up. Maybe Wilson would've been trying to poison Shepard to keep him asleep while Miranda was unaware. Shepard dying is unnecessary to the ME2 plot. 

[Ryzaki]

Blah I had a response all typed out and it's gone now. Goddamnit.

[Kachie]

All in all, I'd have to say they are ALL loyal to Shepard in one form or another. Many people who have been in combat situations will tell you, battling along side someone will grant a bond to the other person(s) better then any other test known to man.

Loyalty is an interesting thing. Loyalty is not freely given, it is earned by actions taken on both party's ends.

So for comments like "Tali is only loyal to you if you keep your mouth shut about her dad" is unfair at best.

Everyone does have a selfish streak, nobody is perfect, but if you have someone's back, even if it isn't always the best choice to make on certain circumstances, then they will more then likely have yours when you need it most.

[Kachie]

Ryzaki wrote...

Kachie wrote...

In that case I could understand, but really it's kind of a limit on what Bioware can implement in a game at this time too. Besides the comics clearly say Liara saved Shepard after he/she died. They can't take into consideration the small some who were completely mean to Liara when they have a story to follow through on after a SET based comic story, one we had no control over.

Even then, if the comic hadn't been produced they'd have to come up with a completely different person/reason for bringing Shepard back to life.

Even if they didn't kill of Shepard how else do we explain the change in who Shepard's working with (I don't so for because clearly Shepard doesn't trust Cerberus in most cases)

 

Small? There's no way of knowing how many players weren't nice to Liara. 

And frankly I don't care about the comics. Her doing it doesn't make the action any less creepy and pathetic. 

Uh no they wouldn't have. They could've avoided the stupidity that killing Shepard off entailed from the jum. 

Put him in a coma. Have the Allianace abandon him to never waking up and have Cerberus collect him and wake him up. Maybe Wilson would've been trying to poison Shepard to keep him asleep while Miranda was unaware. Shepard dying is unnecessary to the ME2 plot. 

Honestly most people I come across that play Mass Effect either adore Liara or likes her enough to play nice and be friends, but not many do I know have called her and or her race disgusting let alone be rude to her every chance they get.

Actually if you look it up on Youtube there are many videos dealing with a Liara friendship or romance, not much on hating her.

So yes, I assume small numbers strongly hate on Liara

[Ryzaki]

Probably because everyone doesn't record their playthroughs. I know plenty who fidlikrJack. Doesn't mean there's dozens of Jack dislike videos.

But eh /shrugs My renegade found her race disgusting and weird. For some reason he got retconned into thinking they were bestest buddies. I'd prefer if that didn't happen.

[DarkDragon777]

Ash/Kaidan- Intensely loyal
Grunt- Intensely Loyal
Wrex- Intensely Loyal
Liara- Intensely Loyal
Garrus- Loyal
Mordin- Loyal
Miranda- Loyal
Legion- Loyal
Jack- Somewhat Loyal
Thane- Somewhat Loyal
Tali- Somewhat Loyal
Jacob- Not Really Loyal
Kasumi- Not Really Loyal
Zaeed- Not Really Loyal
Samara- Not Really Loyal

[Kachie]

Ryzaki wrote...

Probably because everyone doesn't record their playthroughs. I know plenty who fidlikrJack. Doesn't mean there's dozens of Jack dislike videos.

But eh /shrugs My renegade found her race disgusting and weird. For some reason he got retconned into thinking they were bestest buddies. I'd prefer if that didn't happen.

I'm just going by what I know, and have experienced.

I don't mind if people hate Liara, or the Asari in general. I DO know one person who despises the race and finds them all a bunch of ****s.

Do I agree? Not really, but can I respect it? You bet I can, because that's who I am. I respect what people feel or think