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[Darth Krytie]

DarkSpiral wrote...

AcidRelic wrote...

That's cool and I understand but I'm not just talking about me, some people don't use the internet and wiki's, not many grant you, and some people don't have the internet. What about those people and the ones who just haven't read the books or comics? They get referance material that they won't understand, UNLESS they give explination IN game. Why should they have to get on the internet to understand what's going on in their game?

Me personally will probably get the books and MAYBE comics before the game comes out but if I don't have the extra money that wouldn't be fair to have to buy them to understand whats going on or be fair to have to look it up instead of having a good explanetion presented to me IN game.

I agree with you in principle, though I don't actually mind having stuff occur outside of the game myself.  However, I would point out that ME2 DOES explain the events that become relevant to Shepard.  Tali and her squad tell you (when asked) what Cerberus did to the Flotilla, and Tali once you recruit her will fill in the details that she's aware of.  Liara tells you about the important bits of her comic series in Lair of the Shadow Broker.  Yes, I know that was paid DLC but it was really damn good paid DLC.

Storytelling has never been the flaw in a Bioware game.  I'm confident they'll weave things in that become important.  And if events in the books never become important enough that they impact Shepard's immediate life, then they aren't important at all.

This. The books and comics expand on these things, give more info to those who want to seek it...but anything relevent to Shepard's story is in the game.

I tend to like EU type stuff because it goes beyond what you should find in the games. It makes the universe richer, fuller, but it doesn't detract from canon, which is already pretty damned awesome.

Now, to go back to impatiently awaiting next March.

[CannotCompute]

Thank you for the link to that great article. As I didn't read any of the comics or novels, there was a lot of new info in it for me.

[Ausstig]

I hope Kai Leng is a squadmate, he is bad****. I also to shoot Sanders cause she is a useless fool.

The author really likes to put in their own views don't they? rather than simply try to reflect the events unbiasedly. Bad reporting that is

[BioWareMaster]

@asstig, I was gonna say that...

[Bryy_Miller]

... Seriously? Why should we be required to read ancillary material in order to understand ME3?

[publius1000]

^completely agree. I seriously hope that this is all BS and that none of these people (Kai Leng, Sanders, etc.) are actually in the game, or if they are, that we get a nice long explanation of who the **** they are. People who have read the novels and comics should get no advantage story-wise over those who haven't. Hell I didn't even know they existed until I read this article.

[CannotCompute]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

... Seriously? Why should we be required to read ancillary material in order to understand ME3?

Agreed. I hope we can learn about the events in that article and characters like Kai Leng, Gillian and Kahlee via conversations. Otherwise, most people will end up confused.

[arne1234]

If I'm not mistaken there will be a other novel release before the release of ME:3. I think that is a pretty big oversight not to include that in the top 10 of things we need to know abouth the novels.

To answer publius ME:3 will be made to appeal for both the existing fan base and new players meaning everybody get some sort of introduction.

The books whill no literature masterpieces help expanding the ME universe and introduce interesting new characters

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

... Seriously? Why should we be required to read ancillary material in order to understand ME3?

Two things:

a) You aren't "required" to read any supplementary material to understand ME3. Chances are it will be explained in ME3 anyway, because you're Shepard and Shepard doesn't know these people to begin with.
That article was written for exactly the type of people that you are: those who aren't keen enough to read the books and/or comics. As someone who's read through the books and comics, I find it to be an excellent recap for everything, and it includes the most important events and characters from them.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[arne1234]

And What do we know abouth the oncomming novel Deception: Gillian Grayson leaves the Quarian Flotilla (she's around 16-17) and joins a group of a radical group who believe their powers make them superior to ordinairy people (Cerberus). Meanwhile kahlee Sanders and david anderson uncovered evidence that the reaper attack is real. But by doing so they have also discovered Cerberus "machinations". Being chased by Cerberus they find Gillian and tell her it's Cerberus that kill her father. Gillian swears revenge but in ME3 both the illusive man and Lai leng are still alive


Sources: wiki http://en.wikipedia...._Effect_(series)#Novels
ME wiki http://masseffect.wi...fect:_Deception

[BiO]

AcidRelic wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

AcidRelic wrote...

elarem wrote...

I skimmed the headlines: the problem is I don't read comics/books that tie-in to a video game which supposedly has no 'canon' story and in which my choices were supposed to matter. Now it appears ME only has a 'no canon Shepard story' - and I'm seriously beginning to doubt even that!

I agree with comrade8472's first point :
1 Anything affecting storyline in a game should be IN Game
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I agree, what about those who don't buy or don't have time to read books or comics?  I am a avid book reader but I like certian styles of writing and certian genres of books so I haven't spent the money on either the comics or books. I like ME3 but to me it is a Game and I should be able to get all the infromation about it IN game and not have to spend money elsewhere to get the whole story.

If the book and comic don't affect the storyline in any way thats great I'm all for it. Take movies for example, If I watched the first 2 movies of something and them there were books about it and then the 3rd movie refrenced the books but I didn't read them I would feel confused and ripped off. PLEASE if you put infromation from the books or comics in game please at least explain whats going on somehow, not leave people confused because they didn't give you more money.

You know, you can read all that stuff from the wiki. I personally find books more exciting if they progress the main story of the source material, not when they do little side stories that won't have any impact on future source material media.

I would agree with you if not for the wiki and the interwebs. You could also post a question on the forums, there's bound to be someone who has read all the books and comics and gives you the simple rundown.

That's cool and I understand but I'm not just talking about me, some people don't use the internet and wiki's, not many grant you, and some people don't have the internet. What about those people and the ones who just haven't read the books or comics? They get referance material that they won't understand, UNLESS they give explination IN game. Why should they have to get on the internet to understand what's going on in their game?

Me personally will probably get the books and MAYBE comics before the game comes out but if I don't have the extra money that wouldn't be fair to have to buy them to understand whats going on or be fair to have to look it up instead of having a good explanetion presented to me IN game.

Actually, there is an explenation in-game, you can buy the two books Ascension and Revelation from one of the Citadel stores and read the run-down in the codex page.

The third and fourth book will probably have such a run-down in ME3 as well.

[Inspectre]

arne1234 wrote...
The books whill no literature masterpieces...

Yeah.  So very, very far from it.

arne1234 wrote...
...help expanding the ME universe and introduce interesting new characters

Minus the 'interesting' part, a fair sum up.

BiO_MaN wrote...

Actually, there is an explenation
in-game, you can buy the two books Ascension and Revelation from one of
the Citadel stores and read the run-down in the codex page.

I remember loling at that, and I was like 'not going to pay for anything with drew karpyshyn on the box'.  And I'm a pretty obsessed completionist, kept the fish fed and never romanced kelly.

[Abispa]

One of the things I despise about the Star Wars movies is how much they depend on the novels to make sense. I remember almost ripping the Episode III DVD out of my player when Obi Wan mentions how he and Anakin became great friends during a mission we never saw. Two LONG ASS movies and they still need a novel to do what Episode IV did in the first hour: develop a friendship between two main characters.

If I play ME3 and discover that there is stuff I HAVE to read novels or comic to understand, I try to hold back the urge to throw my game DVDs. But as long as the fights are cool and my Shepard can play snuggle-bunnies with Ashley, I'll forgive Bioware. Maybe.

[Namevah]

Dragon XIX wrote...

arne1234 wrote...
The books whill no literature masterpieces...

Yeah.  So very, very far from it.

Just like almost every book released in the last five decades (if not longer). I enjoyed the books. No, they're not amazing, but I don't limit the books I read to the best of the best of the best, either.

I wouldn't mind if some of the novel's characters made their way into ME3, although I'm not expecting it. Assuming the fourth Mass Effect novel takes place before ME3, I fully expect that Kahlee is going to meet an unfortunate accident that keeps her away from Shepard.

Modifié par Dry County, 13 juillet 2011 - 12:19 .

[Charge-Headshot]

I agree with the point that we shouldn't have to have read all this comic etc related stuff in order to understand events in me3, although i do want Kai Leng.

[Subferro]

Shinian2 wrote...

Interesting. If it turns out that TIM was indoctrinated the whole time, I'd like to find out why he was trying to stop the Collectors/Reapers in ME2. I assume that will be dealt with in ME3

I was actually wrestling with that too, until I read the list and actually thought about his actions in ME2...

He never makes an effort to stop Reaper plans, he just tries to wipe out the Collectors. He sees them as a threat to humans, and, more importantly, as the left arm of the Reapers. My thinking is that his form of indoctrination isn't the normal "Durr, This looks like a good idea [when really the Reapers put that thought there]", and more of a twisted, "I'm obsessed with the Reapers, I must know more about them, I must become closer to them". Thus he's trying to wipe the Collectors out as a means to leave a gap the Reapers need filled, and one he wants to fill with humanity.

I could probably flesh this out if I put a little more thought into it... maybe later.

Just my .02.  Take what you want, leave the rest.

Also this probably wasn't the thread to introduce a theory in, it just happened to be the one that sparked the idea. If it needs to be deleted then moderate away.

Modifié par Subferro, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:00 .

[Inspectre]

fibchopkin wrote...


Well... I wouldn't go that far. 
I'm much more of a bookworm than I am a gamer- probably why I like
Bioware so much more than most other developers-

There are many more intelligent developers out there.  Kojima, Naughty Dog, Bethesda, CCP, and hell, even Halo had better writing, and much better books.  Why restrict yourself to Bioware?

fibchopkin wrote...


...and I'd certainly never call anyone I don't know personally "cheap". 

I meant that his writing was cheap.

fibchopkin wrote...
but neither did I feel the need to run from the room, screaming and bleeding from the eyeballs after reading them.

I did have to scream because of the stupidity some times, no eyeball blood though.
Thanks for the forewarrning about those other guys.  If I read them, I'd probably die.

Dry County wrote...

Just like almost every book released in the last five decades (if not longer). I enjoyed the books. No, they're not amazing, but I don't limit the books I read to the best of the best of the best, either.

My point was that he's one of the worst;  his 'style' of writing is atrocious.

Dry County wrote...
I fully expect that Kahlee is going to meet an unfortunate accident that keeps her away from Shepard.

If god loves us, that will be the case.

[dreman9999]

Mims wrote...

I have to cover my mouth reading Kahlee as the [second] most important person in the galaxy. Uggggh.

My horror aside, great read for anyone not keeping up.

Think about it this way...If she did do what she did in Revilation......Everyone would of been Reaper juice by now....way before Sheperd was relevent.

[dreman9999]

Dragon XIX wrote...

fibchopkin wrote...


Well... I wouldn't go that far. 
I'm much more of a bookworm than I am a gamer- probably why I like
Bioware so much more than most other developers-

There are many more intelligent developers out there.  Kojima, Naughty Dog, Bethesda, CCP, and hell, even Halo had better writing, and much better books.  Why restrict yourself to Bioware?

No way in this earth is Kojima, Halo, ND, or Betthesda have better writing in their games. Halos books compeared to ME books do edge out.

[Faerlyte]

I read the first book and my brother has read the first three, which I intended to do as well, but he wasn't too impressed with the writing. So, I never read them. I love me a good book, but a bad, or just plain boring book, is hard for me to slog through. Especially when there's so much potential in the ME Universe for great story telling. It's kind of a let down for me so I haven't been overly excited or motivated to finish the series thus far.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the writing per say. It's just lacking in that something that separates average writing from the great.

As for TIM and whether or not he's indoctrinated. I suspect that whatever he is, it is neither indoctrinated nor strictly 'normal' anymore. He will be something no one has encountered before, unique. But that's just my theory.

[kaiki01]

I would have been much happier if the tie-ins had never happened.

Question. Why give us a choice about who becomes the Counciler if Bioware was going to choose for us? I guess DA2 got people thinking that lack of player agency is the way to go in choice-centric games =(

[Inspectre]

kaiki01 wrote...

Question. Why give us a choice about who
becomes the Counciler if Bioware was going to choose for us? I guess DA2
got people thinking that lack of player agency is the way to go in
choice-centric games =(

Bioware: We are make the decisions now!

dreman9999 wrote...

No way in this earth is Kojima, Halo, ND, or Betthesda have better writing in their games.

I might give you Bethesda because of Oblivion and Fallout 3,  but I think you are biased.

Also, Mech Warrior.  Awesome games, awesome books.

dreman9999 wrote...

Halos books compeared to ME books do edge out.

You're not giving them enough credit...
I didn't care about Anderson until I had read the books, and now I hate him.  The ONLY good part about the ME books was Saren.  And he's dead.  Thanks a lot, DK.

(Donkey Kong)

fibchopkin wrote...
Uhhh...  Don't think I've ever played a Naughty Dog game, but as for Kojima, Bethesda and CCP- meh- not terribly
impressed.  I didn't like most of their plot lines for the same reason I
dislike anime...

To each their own, then.

fibchopkin wrote...
As to Halo- I must confess that the "dude" factor has kept me away more
effectively than if Bungie had issued a restraining order.  Maybe one
day I'll get over my admittedly unattractive predjudice and try it out.

"Dude" factor?

fibchopkin wrote...

Anyway- to veer back on topic.  I'm hoping that the author of this
article did not have some intel that made it imperative to publish, but
Mr. Priestly's providing a link to it has me worried.  The fact that I
may have to deal with characters from the books that evoked responses in
me ranging from mild interest to active aversion has me making a sad
panda face. 

For whatever reason, I never thought about that.  Damn.

fibchopkin wrote...
...I'm crossing my fingers and biting my lip in hopes that if Bioware does decide to
incorporate some of the lackluster (imo) characters and plotlines from
the novels, they will bring a life and vitality to them that were not
apparant to me in the books.

This is likely, as DK is not on the ME team anymore.  Still, they're tainted.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:42 .

[suckface123]

while reading those 10 statements put this as background music