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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 06:21
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Surprise surprise, you're a stubborn, ignorant fanboy. Never would have guessed.Luc0s wrote...
Today's standards is crap like Spongebob Squarepants and Totally Spies. That's the kind of crap that's shown in TV these days and that's the kind of crap I hate so much.
Avatar: the Last Airbender is also pretty crap. It's wannabe Japanese anime and it fails miserably at it. Avatar is just an imitation anime, a really bad imitation anime.
Pixar is 3D. I was talking about 2D animation. Though if we also take 3D animation into the discussion, I have to say Pixar is also starting to lose it's shine. Toy Story 3 was okay but Cars 2 is just totally crap.
And no, the modern X-men cartoons, the modern Batman cartoons, the modern Transformers cartoons and what else are all worse than the 80's and 90's versions. The 80's and 90's cartoons where MUCH more mature. It all was far mor serious than today's kiddy crap. It seems as if people today think that cartoons are for children, while back in the early 90's cartoons where not just for children, but also for teenagers and young-adults.
Lucky for me, Japan hasn't forgotten about the (young) adults. At least they still make cartoons for people from my age.
Surprise surprise, you fail to make a valid counter-argument. never would have guessed. You sir, fail.
But that doesn't mean you're not a stubborn ignorant fanboy, lol. And by they way you constructed your "counter-post", even you know it.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 06:23
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Those are all quality western animation, on par easily with most anime. I have no interest in continuing to discuss the merits of western animation with someone with aggresively idiotic viewpoints on something they clearly have no real knowledge about at all. At the very least you could learn to have some perspective, but your fanboy eyes and nostalgia glasses are totally warping your brain. There is absolutely no point in talking to someone like you. You're just going to continue saying silly things.Luc0s wrote...
Surprise surprise, you fail to make a valid counter-argument. never would have guessed. You sir, fail.
Yeah maybe nostalgia does play a role here, but don't tell me I know nothing about animation. I actually followed an animation education not so long ago, but I didn't finish it. I switched to game-design after a year. Games are more my thing than animation.
So okay, listen, if you stop being a douche-bag and call me a fanboy (which I'm really not, but of course in the eyes of an average BSN nerd like you, having a passion for anime is equal to fanboyism), then I'll admit that I might be influenced by my nostalgia. I'll give the Justice series a try (since I haven't seen much of it I can't really judge it).
So let's just agree to disagree and move on with the actual subject of the topic, shall we? Let's continue about Mass Effect being turned into a cartoon/anime film. I like the idea, if done right. The Animatrix was awesome, but Halo Legends was not that good. I hope the Mass Effect anime film will be like the Animatrix, a bunch of short-films explaining and showing us some parts of the Mass Effect history, such as the First Contact War.
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How was Chihiro spoiled at the end of Spirited Away? The point is that the film follows the Hero's Journey...
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How was Chihiro spoiled at the end of Spirited Away? The point is that the film follows the Hero's Journey...
She was spoiled at the BEGINNING of Spirited Away but she became more mature during the progress of the story. That's what I said, unless I made a typo. But anyway, that's what I meant to say.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 06:29
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She was spoiled at the BEGINNING of Spirited Away but she became more mature during the progress of the story. That's what I said, unless I made a typo. But anyway, that's what I meant to say.
Right. Your point made sense. That was actually directed at Parion, who claimed that she's still 'spoiled and annoying' at the end...somehow.
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She was spoiled at the BEGINNING of Spirited Away but she became more mature during the progress of the story. That's what I said, unless I made a typo. But anyway, that's what I meant to say.
Right. Your point made sense. That was actually directed at Parion, who claimed that she's still 'spoiled and annoying' at the end...somehow.
Oh sorry, I completely missed that. I didn't see Parion's post until now. Sorry, my bad.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 06:31
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Here is a simple problem to avoid being angry just don't watch the movie solves the problem right there
May I quote myself?
Also, for everyone, watch this episode of the Escapist's Extra Credit: http://www.escapistm...s-vs-AestheticsDexi wrote...
I have nothing against a ME Anime, as long as they approach it in a responsible manner and they don't turn it in Naruto or Bleach or w/e. It would unarguably ruin the ME series ( don't pull the "do not watch if do not want" card on me, analogy: if I close my eyes and I pretend humanity isn't stupid and go blind on the stupid things everyone does that doesn't mean human nature is suddenly perfect)
and then maybe you'd understand that even though it's your ultimate fanboy dream, a ME anime isn't going to work well.
The Mass Effect Universe is made on aesthetics totally opposite of what you'd expect from an anime...
Bringing ME into the anime world would twist it too much.
(Extra Credit is a great show.)
Of course, that's the general, most logical and most likely thing. But that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work... It may work if done right.
But there are tenths of thousands of anime, good and bad. And from all that, you can only pick a couple that are really good in what Sci-Fi means.
Good Sci-Fi animes aren't impossible, but given how rare and how hard they are to make, it's more likely ME anime will be a failure.
And that's the basic thought foundation of everyone that disagrees with the idea of a ME anime ( me included). I think...
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:01
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Anime kinda sucks anyway. Well, most of it.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:04
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Also, for everyone, watch this episode of the Escapist's Extra Credit: http://www.escapistm...s-vs-Aesthetics
and then maybe you'd understand that even though it's your ultimate fanboy dream, a ME anime isn't going to work well.
The Mass Effect Universe is made on aesthetics totally opposite of what you'd expect from an anime...
Bringing ME into the anime world would twist it too much.
(Extra Credit is a great show.)
Of course, that's the general, most logical and most likely thing. But that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work... It may work if done right.
But there are tenths of thousands of anime, good and bad. And from all that, you can only pick a couple that are really good in what Sci-Fi means.
Good Sci-Fi animes aren't impossible, but given how rare and how hard they are to make, it's more likely ME anime will be a failure.
And that's the basic thought foundation of everyone that disagrees with the idea of a ME anime ( me included). I think...
Oh sweet, a new The Escapist: Extra Credits video that I haven't seen yet! I just watched it and as always The Escapist hits the nail right on its head.
However, I disagree with your conclusion. Anime is not a genre, it's not even 1 defined set of graphics, anime is a medium, like games are. What makes anime different from western cartoons is where they lay their focus with their animations. For example, anime is more over-the-top with their focus-points on their characters. Every character needs at least a few focus points to be interesting and often the fewer the better. The best characters only have 1 or 2 focus points. Those focus points can be created in different ways. Both western cartoons and Japanese anime have their own ways of creating focus points on characters.
In western animation, they often use high contrasts and over-the-top proportions to create these focus points. For example, this.
Japanese animation takes a different route and often goes for interesting costume design that pulls the attention of the viewers, often with interesting patterns and color contrasts that are easily recognizable. Next to that, Japanese animation also tries to puth much focus on the eyes, that tells what kind of character we're dealing with and how this character feels. the most obvious example I could give now is Final Fantasy, but since FF is cliché and overdone, I'll use this as an example.
There are also differences in animation techniques between western animation and Japanese animation. Western animation is more focused on actually showing a specific movement of a character fully animated frame by frame, while Japanese animation is less focused on actual animation and more focused on camera movement. Western animation puts more drama in the character movement, while Japanese animation puts more drama in the camera movement.
That said, I think a Mass Effect anime can succeed when the BioWare writes who are going to write the script for the anime, understand the strengths (and weaknesses) of Japanese anime. At the same time, the Japanese animators need to understand what makes western sci-fi so good. If the teamwork between BioWare and the animation studio is close and good, this Mass Effect anime might actually work.
An example of good teamwork would be The Animatrix. The Animatrix is a perfect example of a good sci-fi anime collection where the teamwork between the script-writers, the directors, the animators and the producers was perfect. I do realize that The Animatrix had a false start since the original The Matrix already mixed western sci-fi with a Japanese martial-arts vipe to it.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:29
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A lot of bull**** you said, a lot of which is purely your opinion. You gave Robin from TeenTitans as a western example, which is a bad example ( for it is a bad cartoon), plus that cartoon has undeniable japanese influences, and you gave Trigun as example for the anime, where Trigun is the highlight of anime... it's one of it's best.
"That said, I think a Mass Effect anime can succeed when the BioWare writes who are going to write the script for the anime, understand the strengths (and weaknesses) of Japanese anime."
That's what we don't want. We don't want the writers to understand the strengths and weaknesses of anime because we don't want ME to be turned into your classical anime. We don't want Mass Effect Bleach Version.
If an anime is to be made, it must'n be the conventional crap. It must be extraordinary, for it must please both the traditional sci-fi fans and the anime fans.
And that is not easy. It's almost impossible. And that's why we don't want it. Some of you would want it anyway because your anime fanboys, admit it ( it's pretty obvious anyway).
The Animatrix is a good example that it can be done, but you can give me example of 1 anime that nailed it, I can give a hundred examples of anime that failed.
I have nothing against the idea that ME will have an anime branch, I think nobody has, but we have something against the idea that the anime might ruin the ME Universe. And that's a huge possibility, a possibility that you, again, give no crap about because you like anime.
And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
"That said, I think a Mass Effect anime can succeed when the BioWare writes who are going to write the script for the anime, understand the strengths (and weaknesses) of Japanese anime."
That's what we don't want. We don't want the writers to understand the strengths and weaknesses of anime because we don't want ME to be turned into your classical anime. We don't want Mass Effect Bleach Version.
If an anime is to be made, it must'n be the conventional crap. It must be extraordinary, for it must please both the traditional sci-fi fans and the anime fans.
And that is not easy. It's almost impossible. And that's why we don't want it. Some of you would want it anyway because your anime fanboys, admit it ( it's pretty obvious anyway).
The Animatrix is a good example that it can be done, but you can give me example of 1 anime that nailed it, I can give a hundred examples of anime that failed.
I have nothing against the idea that ME will have an anime branch, I think nobody has, but we have something against the idea that the anime might ruin the ME Universe. And that's a huge possibility, a possibility that you, again, give no crap about because you like anime.
And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:34
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Dexi wrote...
And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
But you chose to watch something you don't like. No one forced you to do so. What relevance could that possibly have to a Hitler example?
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:50
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A lot of bull**** you said, a lot of which is purely your opinion. You gave Robin from TeenTitans as a western example, which is a bad example ( for it is a bad cartoon), plus that cartoon has undeniable japanese influences, and you gave Trigun as example for the anime, where Trigun is the highlight of anime... it's one of it's best.
Ow come on, you can rip on the examples that I gave you, but what I essentially said was correct. Western animation and anime are not different because of culture, but because of techniques used and I carefully explained the different techniques of western animation v.s Japanese animation.
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"That said, I think a Mass Effect anime can succeed when the BioWare writes who are going to write the script for the anime, understand the strengths (and weaknesses) of Japanese anime."
That's what we don't want. We don't want the writers to understand the strengths and weaknesses of anime because we don't want ME to be turned into your classical anime. We don't want Mass Effect Bleach Version.
Again, you're thinking in stereotypes. When you think of a ME anime, you think of Mass Effect with a huge drop of Japanese culture poured into it. But a ME anime doesn't need to be that way. Heck, I fully understand that you don't want a "Mass Effect Bleach Version" and I fully agree, I don't want a "Mass Effect Bleach Version" either.
But like I said, if the writers understand the strength and weaknesses of anime, they can translate Mass Effect to an anime succesfully without falling into clichés and without turning Mass Effect into "Mass Effect Bleach Version".
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If an anime is to be made, it must'n be the conventional crap. It must be extraordinary, for it must please both the traditional sci-fi fans and the anime fans.
No, it only needs to please the general Mass Effect fan. Or more accuratly, it needs to please enough people that BioWare can make money out of it. Cold harsh truth.
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And that is not easy. It's almost impossible. And that's why we don't want it. Some of you would want it anyway because your anime fanboys, admit it ( it's pretty obvious anyway).
The Animatrix is a good example that it can be done, but you can give me example of 1 anime that nailed it, I can give a hundred examples of anime that failed.
Saying it's not easy doesn't mean its impossible. You're scared that BioWare will fail in finding a good Japanese animation studio to turn Mass Effect into a succesful anime that isn't "Mass Effect Bleach Version" and I fully understand your fear, but that doesn't mean BioWare shouldn't give it a shot. Heck, you use the same reasoning as those typical ME fanboys who shout "don't show Tali's face because our imagination is better and we like teh mysteriezzzz". That's just lame and not a valid reason for BioWare NOT to do it. Have a little more trust in your favorite game compagny will you? BioWare SHOULD show Tali's face if they want to and BioWare SHOULD make a Mass Effect anime if they want to.
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I have nothing against the idea that ME will have an anime branch, I think nobody has, but we have something against the idea that the anime might ruin the ME Universe. And that's a huge possibility, a possibility that you, again, give no crap about because you like anime.
Of course I give a crap, I just think you're highly exaggerating.
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And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
That's a pretty lame analogy there mate. I think we both know that the holocaust is a tiny little bit more serious and important than a potential Mass Effect anime that might potentially ruin the ME universe for you. In fact, holocaust-denial is strictly illegal in Europe and openly denying it's existence can land you a nice place in jail. It might sound extreme, but that's really the case here in Europe.
But come on, saying that an anime might ruin the entire ME universe for you is just dumb. You're too emotional and you're exaggerating. The games will stay the same and they won't become worse because of an anime. It's not that ME1 and ME2 are all of the sudden completely crap just because the anime is crap. So get a grip will ya.
Heck, I'm a huge Transformers fan and I completely disagree with everything that Michael Bay does with the Transformers movies. I kinda liked the first Transformers movie from Michael Bay but TF2 and TF3 are completely crap. But that doesn't ruin the Transformers universe for me. Heck, I just think "screw those movies, they aren't canon anyway". Really, I don't let 2 crappy Hollywood movies ruin my day, so why would you let a potentially crappy anime ruin your day?
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:53
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You know you can just...not watch it.ErectionsCanada wrote...
I swear to God, if the Mass effect franchise ever gets the Halo: Legends treatment... I believe I might just need to kill myself. The movie being made by Legendary Pictures is anime-style, apparently, yet the higher-ups of BioWare are signed on for quality control, and for good reason I have learned to trust their judgement. It's not simply the look of anime that fails - although the eye size, lack of noses and disproportionate everything is somewhat disturbing - but everything else is embarrassing as well - voice acting, the dialog, the storyline and, half the time, even the framerate is reminiscent of the first, budget episodes of Pokemon.
Neither Halo nor Mass Effect deserve to be poorly drawn. Niether are the slightest bit Japanese, either. One of my favourite video games has already been tarnished by idiots who have never played it, or so it would seem. I can only hope the other never suffers the same fate.
And you're biased.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 07:56
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Il Divo wrote...
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And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
But you chose to watch something you don't like. No one forced you to do so. What relevance could that possibly have to a Hitler example?
All the relevance. Because even if I don't watch it that doesn't mean it's not horrible and doesn't spoil the ME franchise.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 08:00
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All the relevance. Because even if I don't watch it that doesn't mean it's not horrible and doesn't spoil the ME franchise.
That's absolutely ridiculous. It's like complaining that a Star Wars fan who has never seen the prequel trilogy should somehow stop enjoying Star Wars. Even after watching the prequels, I was still able to enjoy the originals. Don't like it, don't watch it. I don't see how that will affect your enjoyment of the Mass Effect universe, simply because 'it exists'.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 08:00
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Dexi wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
Dexi wrote...
And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
But you chose to watch something you don't like. No one forced you to do so. What relevance could that possibly have to a Hitler example?
All the relevance. Because even if I don't watch it that doesn't mean it's not horrible and doesn't spoil the ME franchise.
Bullsh*t and you know it. I didn't let those horrible movies from Michael Bay ruin the Transformers franchise for me, so why whould you let a potentially horrible ME anime ruin the ME franchise for yourself?
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 08:05
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Luc0s, I say we agree to disagree and leave it there as to this point it's still civil... but since you base your argument around this:
"Western animation and anime are not different because of culture, but because of techniques used and I carefully explained the different techniques of western animation v.s Japanese animation."
I give you this:
http://www.escapistm...Myth-of-the-Gun
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It's good for you. For me, I can't relate Transformers to anything else but Megan's Fox ass right now.
"Western animation and anime are not different because of culture, but because of techniques used and I carefully explained the different techniques of western animation v.s Japanese animation."
I give you this:
http://www.escapistm...Myth-of-the-Gun
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Dexi wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
Dexi wrote...
And don't say "don't like don't watch" because pretending Hitler didn't happened doesn't mean 6.000.000 innocents didn't die in between '39 and '45 ( I know, rough example but it was the first to came in my mind).
But you chose to watch something you don't like. No one forced you to do so. What relevance could that possibly have to a Hitler example?
All the relevance. Because even if I don't watch it that doesn't mean it's not horrible and doesn't spoil the ME franchise.
Bullsh*t and you know it. I didn't let those horrible movies from Michael Bay ruin the Transformers franchise for me, so why whould you let a potentially horrible ME anime ruin the ME franchise for yourself?
It's good for you. For me, I can't relate Transformers to anything else but Megan's Fox ass right now.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 08:17
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Luc0s, I say we agree to disagree and leave it there as to this point it's still civil... but since you base your argument around this:
"Western animation and anime are not different because of culture, but because of techniques used and I carefully explained the different techniques of western animation v.s Japanese animation."
I give you this:
http://www.escapistm...Myth-of-the-Gun
I don't see what relevance the origins of FPS has in this discussion. It doesn't counter my argument, that the real differences between western animation and Japanese animation are merely technical differences. You know, what I already explained, the whole "character movement v.s camera movement" deal. They resulted in artistic differences, but they evolved from fundamental technical differences.
I could explain to you the evolution of western animation and Japanese animation. I could explain to you why they are different, but it doesn't change the fact that from a iconographic point of view, the differences are not cultural related, but technique related.
For example, the reason why Japanese animation uses more camera movement to create animation, in contrast to western animation that uses full-animated characters (and hardly any camera movement at all), is because camera movement is easier to create and cheaper to produce. Panning, zooming and rotating a specific shot is less time-consuming to create than a fully frame-by-frame animated character. The reason for this difference is because when anime originated, Japan was in an economical crisis. Japan didn't have the money for real movies or "real animation" in contrast to the USA and Europe, so they had to come up with a new, cheaper way to produce animation. This is how anime was born.
Really, your Escapist video has no relevance to this subject about Japanese animation v.s western animation.
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It's good for you. For me, I can't relate Transformers to anything else but Megan's Fox ass right now.
You're too emotional about all this man. Straighten up and put some pedal to the metal man. Don't let Megan Fox's ass ruin Transformers for you. Seriously.
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Luc0s wrote...
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Luc0s, I say we agree to disagree and leave it there as to this point it's still civil... but since you base your argument around this:
"Western animation and anime are not different because of culture, but because of techniques used and I carefully explained the different techniques of western animation v.s Japanese animation."
I give you this:
http://www.escapistm...Myth-of-the-Gun
I don't see what relevance the origins of FPS has in this discussion. It doesn't counter my argument, that the real differences between western animation and Japanese animation are merely technical differences. You know, what I already explained, the whole "character movement v.s camera movement" deal. They resulted in artistic differences, but they evolved from fundamental technical differences.
Urrrrm I posted that same link earlier in the thread because I disagree with you on that point too luc. The differences in the creation of media between the two cultures are HUGE in several people's opinions. The video was supposed to highlight that. Yes it was about games but games are an extension of existing genres and with japanese games, the link to anime is blatant. You just choose to ignore the argument and argue that anime is technically better and is therefore the better choice. I disagree. Not that anime is better, hell it may be, but it has a hell of a lot of differences with western animation that run far deeper than mere lines and dots. The aesthetic draws deep from a pool of philosophies of art and belief just as much as say the abstract movement or the beat poet movement had their own philosphies beneath the basic ingrediants. Just because YOU think Anime is better that doesn't mean you can just hammer on that point. It may be better but that doesn't mean its the best form for a Mass Effect story to take.
After all, would Top Cat, Bugs Bunny, the Smurfs and Earthworm Jim have jumped up 50 million points if it was anime style instead?
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After all, would Top Cat, Bugs Bunny, the Smurfs and Earthworm Jim have jumped up 50 million points if it was anime style instead?
And now I remember Loonatics Unleashed. Great.
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Transformers and "Canon?" you poor fooolLuc0s wrote...
Heck, I'm a huge Transformers fan and I completely disagree with everything that Michael Bay does with the Transformers movies. I kinda liked the first Transformers movie from Michael Bay but TF2 and TF3 are completely crap. But that doesn't ruin the Transformers universe for me. Heck, I just think "screw those movies, they aren't canon anyway". Really, I don't let 2 crappy Hollywood movies ruin my day, so why would you let a potentially crappy anime ruin your day?
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 09:21
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The west and Japan make fine cartoons in the past and in the now I can name a ton of names but I am sure Luc0s will say all the west cartoons suck.
And all the new comic book superhero cartoons are great sure they are not Batman:TAS level but they come as close as they can to it.
And all the new comic book superhero cartoons are great sure they are not Batman:TAS level but they come as close as they can to it.
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Posté 09 juillet 2011 - 10:43
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Seriously, if they do it like Titan A.E. was I will be way more than content.
^ this +1
On another note, if ME went GiTs route, I would watch it. And if the story is as compelling as the stories from the series, it would win me over. Seriously, the Individual Eleven and Laughing Man? Brilliant stuff.
ME with the same animation as AE would be amazing. I've watched movies like those since I was a kid back in the 80s. I think I know what is awesome.
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Transformers and "Canon?" you poor fooolLuc0s wrote...
Heck, I'm a huge Transformers fan and I completely disagree with everything that Michael Bay does with the Transformers movies. I kinda liked the first Transformers movie from Michael Bay but TF2 and TF3 are completely crap. But that doesn't ruin the Transformers universe for me. Heck, I just think "screw those movies, they aren't canon anyway". Really, I don't let 2 crappy Hollywood movies ruin my day, so why would you let a potentially crappy anime ruin your day?
Transformers G1 and Transformers: The Movie is canon and don't you dare say otherwise or you'll get an angry Transformers fan on your back.
