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The west and Japan make fine cartoons in the past and in the now I can name a ton of names but I am sure Luc0s will say all the west cartoons suck.:?

And all the new comic book superhero cartoons are great sure they are not Batman:TAS level but they come as close as they can to it.


Nah not ALL the west cartoons these days suck, just pretty much everything I've seen so far. ;-) But as I said a milion times already, I'm willing to give Young Justice a try since I haven't seen that series yet and it actually doesn't look so bad on the first glimp so as I said more than 3 times before now, I'm going to give that series a try.

I was kinda looking forward to the remake of Voltron (Voltron Force 2011). It looked promising, but I've seen the first few episodes now and I'm really disappointed. Another childhood series ruined. But hey, at least I'm not going to cry about it. I just decided that I'm simply not going to watch it.
 
I'm really looking forward to the remake of Thundercats (Thundercats 2011). Hopefully that remake will do better than Voltron Force.

What REALLY would make my day is an animated series about Deadpool. If they would make that, I would be really happy!

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You just choose to ignore the argument and argue that anime is technically better and is therefore the better choice. I disagree.


Please quote me where I said that. I NEVER EVER said anime is a better choice for a Mass Effect cartoon. All I said is that anime isn't necessarily a bad choice, unlike some of you might believe. Some of you think that Mass Effect can never be translated to a cool anime that isn't a complete abomination. I disagree and I present The Animatrix as the evidence that it CAN be done.

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Not that anime is better, hell it may be, but it has a hell of a lot of differences with western animation that run far deeper than mere lines and dots. The aesthetic draws deep from a pool of philosophies of art and belief just as much as say the abstract movement or the beat poet movement had their own philosphies beneath the basic ingrediants.


Sorry but that just isn't true. Not in the case of anime. I will never deny that Japanese anime series do not contain deep roots in the Japanese culture and their beliefs and philosophies, but the anime style and anime as a medium is NOT based on Japanese philosophies or whatsoever. The anime medium and style originated from economical decisions. Japan was in an economical crisis and the film producers did not have the money for life-action films or fully-animated cartoons, so they introduced anime, a new and cheaper way of creating film and animation.

Anime was (and still is) all about creating film as fast and cheap as possible without losing quality. Anime is all about gaining maximum quality with minimal resources. I already said all this and I won't repeat myself again.

You might say that anime has become a milk-cow since dozens of new anime series get pooped out every year and most of them are cheap and crap and I won't deny this, but there are some really beautiful pieces of art out there between the big pile of junk.


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Just because YOU think Anime is better that doesn't mean you can just hammer on that point. It may be better but that doesn't mean its the best form for a Mass Effect story to take.


Again, I did not say that anime is better, all I'm saying that anime and Mass Effect can work together. Anime and Mass Effect can match if it's carefully done by the right people.


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After all, would Top Cat, Bugs Bunny, the Smurfs and Earthworm Jim have jumped up 50 million points if it was anime style instead?


No. In fact, I'm pretty much against the Japanese anime adaptations of cartoons that where originally created in Europe or the USA. For example, I liked the original Powerpuff Girls (no joke) but they made an anime remake in Japan and it's a huge abomination.

But Mass Effect is different. Mass Effect is not an animation and it's not a cartoon. It's a semi-realistic sci-fi game. The fact that the visual style of Mass Effect are "realistic" and pretty much neutral (it's not typically American, or European, or Japanese, or whatever) means that Mass Effect can go in any direction when adapted into an animated film. Mass Effect is not limited to 1 specific style. The style doesn't matter as long as the aesthetics of Mass Effect are kept in tact.

A western Mass Effect animation could work or it could suck, depending on how they deal with the aesthetics of Mass Effect.

A Japanese anime Mass Effect could work or it could suck, depending on how they deal with the aesthetics of Mass Effect.
 

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Heck, I'm a huge Transformers fan and I completely disagree with everything that Michael Bay does with the Transformers movies. I kinda liked the first Transformers movie from Michael Bay but TF2 and TF3 are completely crap. But that doesn't ruin the Transformers universe for me. Heck, I just think "screw those movies, they aren't canon anyway". Really, I don't let 2 crappy Hollywood movies ruin my day, so why would you let a potentially crappy anime ruin your day?

Transformers and "Canon?" you poor foool


Transformers G1 and Transformers: The Movie is canon and don't you dare say otherwise or you'll get an angry Transformers fan on your back. ;)


Transformers "Canon" is that there is a sprawling Multiverse, and every adaption and reimagining is "Canon"

Just thought you should know^_^

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I think the best proof that Japanese anime and an western setting can work together pretty well is the anime film Tales from Earthsea from studio Ghibli.

That anime is based on a fantasy story from an American writer. Although it's a Japanese anime, it perfectly portrays everything the way we're used to see in western fantasy.

For example, the Japanese idea of what a dragon should look like is completely different from our western idea of what defines a dragon. Although Tales from Earthsea is a Japanese anime, it's based on a western fantasy story and so it portrays the dragon in the western style, not the typical Japanese style. Also all the buildings, tools and weapons in Tales from Earthsea are all portrayed in a typical western fantasy style. I really like this and this is why studio Ghibli is so great.

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Transformers "Canon" is that there is a sprawling Multiverse, and every adaption and reimagining is "Canon"

Just thought you should know^_^


Screw that. :pinched: To me, only Transformers G1 and Transformers: The Movie is canon. The rest is just a reinterpretation of the Transformers canon. Call me an old stubborn hardhead (I know I am). ;)

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^haha im the same i will just never accept the new movies to many childhood memories ruined, in each of the forst 2 films he killed of 2 of my childhood favourates wont even bother with the third

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I swear to God, if the Mass effect franchise ever gets the Halo: Legends treatment... I believe I might just need to kill myself. The movie being made by Legendary Pictures is anime-style, apparently, yet the higher-ups of BioWare are signed on for quality control, and for good reason I have learned to trust their judgement. It's not simply the look of anime that fails - although the eye size, lack of noses and disproportionate everything is somewhat disturbing - but everything else is embarrassing as well - voice acting, the dialog, the storyline and, half the time, even the framerate is reminiscent of the first, budget episodes of Pokemon.

Neither Halo nor Mass Effect deserve to be poorly drawn. Niether are the slightest bit Japanese, either. One of my favourite video games has already been tarnished by idiots who have never played it, or so it would seem. I can only hope the other never suffers the same fate.


im just going to guess u dont watch anime or read manga seeing as you say its the 'look' that fails im guessing you have seen a few of the more comercial anime and assume thats what all anime is.  

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Luc0s wrote...

greed89 wrote...

Transformers "Canon" is that there is a sprawling Multiverse, and every adaption and reimagining is "Canon"

Just thought you should know^_^


Screw that. :pinched: To me, only Transformers G1 and Transformers: The Movie is canon. The rest is just a reinterpretation of the Transformers canon. Call me an old stubborn hardhead (I know I am). ;)


Beast Wars was pretty good, I thought...

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littlezack wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

greed89 wrote...

Transformers "Canon" is that there is a sprawling Multiverse, and every adaption and reimagining is "Canon"

Just thought you should know^_^


Screw that. :pinched: To me, only Transformers G1 and Transformers: The Movie is canon. The rest is just a reinterpretation of the Transformers canon. Call me an old stubborn hardhead (I know I am). ;)


Beast Wars was pretty good, I thought...


Yeah I agree. Beast Wars was pretty awesome for that time. Transformers: Robots in Disguise and Transformers: Armada where also not THAT bad, but both couldn't cope to the original Transformers G1.
However, I totally didn't like Black Convoy (I refuse to call him Scourge) in Transformers RiD and I hated Nemesis Prime from Armada even more.

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Oh no! One person does not like the idea! They need to drop it completaly!
For those of you who agree with the OP - What makes you think you know what's best for ME? Your just a fan.

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Oh no! One person does not like the idea! They need to drop it completaly!
For those of you who agree with the OP - What makes you think you know what's best for ME? Your just a fan.


Hehe, you just did your name justice with this post. Kudo's to you. (no sarcasm)

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Oh no! One person does not like the idea! They need to drop it completaly!
For those of you who agree with the OP - What makes you think you know what's best for ME? Your just a fan.


Hehe, you just did your name justice with this post. Kudo's to you. (no sarcasm)


Really? Even though it's spelt "you're"?
Even though the pro anime ME film crowd have been just as ludicrous at certain points of this thread as the anti-anime ME film crowd?
Even though this is a discussion forum where the WHOLE POINT is voicing our fan opinions?

Oh yeah. soooooooo pwned. <_<

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Luc0s wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Oh no! One person does not like the idea! They need to drop it completaly!
For those of you who agree with the OP - What makes you think you know what's best for ME? Your just a fan.


Hehe, you just did your name justice with this post. Kudo's to you. (no sarcasm)


Really? Even though it's spelt "you're"?
Even though the pro anime ME film crowd have been just as ludicrous at certain points of this thread as the anti-anime ME film crowd?
Even though this is a discussion forum where the WHOLE POINT is voicing our fan opinions?

Oh yeah. soooooooo pwned. <_<


Yeah being a grammar-**** really helps, not. "your" and "you're" is a common mistake among people who do not speak English as their first language.

Haters gonna hate and trolls gonna troll. In the end, it doesn't matter which side wins the argument because we're all losers anyway.

Voicing your opinion is one thing, but voicing your opinion as if it's FACT is something else. Most people on this forum do the latter.

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Wow. Alright, made the mistake of creating a topic immediately before beginning a road trip on which I cannot access a computer to reply. Lesson learned. But for anyone still active in this thread, I'll try to respond to some questions long since buried.

Firstly I'm not a troll, just a fan who is not fond of favourite characters being depicted in absurd ways. If I were to take one of a person's favourite stories, then create vague likenesses of its characters out of actual ****, put on a puppet show with them AND THEN HAVE IT DEEMED OFFICIAL CANON, how do you think that person would feel? Probably quite similar to me.

Second, I am quite aware that there is deep, well executed, excellently made, perfectly respectable legitimate anime out there; I simply have not experienced it yet. 2D Japanese Animation is my definition of "anime", and that is why I'd not mentioned Spirits Within, a movie I at one point watched chronically as a kid. I also enjoyed Afro Samurai, yet I didnt mention that either, as Samuel L. Jackson, African-American Samurais and hip-hop music does not a typical anime make, and thought it would've been incorrect of me to consider it as such. And so, Halo: Legends was the only anime exposure id had in a while, and which was, for multitudes of reasons, appalling.

I will admit that my blanket accusations of an entire genre of animation was unwarranted, yet if seven of the "most celebrated" Japanese artists can all horde together and **** out seven of the most toilet-worthy nuggets of failure a Halo fan can witness, I believe I am at least somewhat justified.

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How...is this....thread still going on?

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I posted, drove to Vancouver, got online again, and was met with a sh'tstorm. So i honestly don't know, haha

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I posted, drove to Vancouver, got online again, and was met with a sh'tstorm. So i honestly don't know, haha


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That is all. =]

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They could not have picked a better man to play God in Bruce/Evan Almighty.

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I can see the points on both sides.

I am a big fan of Anime, been that way for a long time. Been through a golden age, hit a slump (and the moe blob) then the rebound. Whether they be epic space opera's like Heroic age, Legend of the galactic heroes, crest of the stars, gunbuster or to the simple slice of life like Miname ke, i've seen them all, and I know how excellent anime can be.

However anime adaptation of western games, or movies doesn't always work out well, especially when they are attached to typical Japanese cliche's and ideals.

When I watched the Halo anime... I had trouble taking it seriously when a kid with hair that could not possibly fit in his helmet, who was also pegged as the best shot in the galaxy, was put within the gritty and hard halo universe. The amazing action scenes just couldn't redeem it for me.

We also have to factor that the Japanese view on aliens is a bit different from the west. Elves, anthropomorphic insects and animals, humans with funky colored hair... those are considered aliens in Japan if they are not giant space monsters.

While my point might not be coherent... what I am trying to say is that as amazing, and deep Anime can be within its own media, the soul of ME might be lost in translation if adapted to Anime. It would take a miraculous combination of a great director (who can keep a clear vision of what makes the ME universe what it is... ) good communication from the writers of the ME universe, and an art team that can translate their particular style to the various alien without distorting the original art direction.

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There's so many types of anime out there that it ultimately depends on what you're looking for.

Like I personally thought that Afro Samurai (while well-made).. was pretty shallow story-wise.

For some of your best mixes (story worth paying attention to + appeal)... try Ghost in the Shell (movie), Akira (it does get a little wierd at the end though), Samurai X Trust/Betrayal, Ninja Scroll, Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone​, Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance, and Grave of the Fireflies.

All-ages anime: Anything by Hayao Miyazaki, he's the anime standard for Disney-audience anime. Spirited Away, Nausica, and Princess Mononoke are my favorites.

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OMG the first mass effect anime screenshot taken from comic con mexico!!111!!3!

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Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

There's so many types of anime out there that it ultimately depends on what you're looking for.

Like I personally thought that Afro Samurai (while well-made).. was pretty shallow story-wise.

For some of your best mixes (story worth paying attention to + appeal)... try Ghost in the Shell (movie), Akira (it does get a little wierd at the end though), Samurai X Trust/Betrayal, Ninja Scroll, Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone​, Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance, and Grave of the Fireflies.

All-ages anime: Anything by Hayao Miyazaki, he's the anime standard for Disney-audience anime. Spirited Away, Nausica, and Princess Mononoke are my favorites.


See the problem is many of the directors who made the anime you mention, may not fit in a ME universe. While GitS is a deep and thought provoking anime, it deals more with the metaphysical, the limits of what makes one human and the relation between man and machine. Hell GitS does not wait for the viewer to "get" its themes or the philosophy of the episode. 

The director could be perfect for ME, but it depends on what the movie would focus on, and even then GitS may be too heavy for many viewers, especially those not used to anime.

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Nashiktal wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

There's so many types of anime out there that it ultimately depends on what you're looking for.

Like I personally thought that Afro Samurai (while well-made).. was pretty shallow story-wise.

For some of your best mixes (story worth paying attention to + appeal)... try Ghost in the Shell (movie), Akira (it does get a little wierd at the end though), Samurai X Trust/Betrayal, Ninja Scroll, Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone​, Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance, and Grave of the Fireflies.

All-ages anime: Anything by Hayao Miyazaki, he's the anime standard for Disney-audience anime. Spirited Away, Nausica, and Princess Mononoke are my favorites.


See the problem is many of the directors who made the anime you mention, may not fit in a ME universe. While GitS is a deep and thought provoking anime, it deals more with the metaphysical, the limits of what makes one human and the relation between man and machine. Hell GitS does not wait for the viewer to "get" its themes or the philosophy of the episode. 

The director could be perfect for ME, but it depends on what the movie would focus on, and even then GitS may be too heavy for many viewers, especially those not used to anime.


Honestly, I'd have DC Animation do a Mass Effect 'anime.'

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We also have to factor that the Japanese view on aliens is a bit different from the west. Elves, anthropomorphic insects and animals, humans with funky colored hair... those are considered aliens in Japan if they are not giant space monsters.


The aliens in Mass Effect are not that different from what you claim to be typical Japanese aliens. 99% of all the alien species in Mass Effect are anthropomorphic creatures that walk upright on 2 legs, use 2 hands and have symetrical faces. Every single alien in ME is a humanoid, except for the elcor and rachni.

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ummm don't watch it then....

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I definitely am looking forward to this. I love anime, animation in general is groovy, and Mass Effect will go nicely in that medium.