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[therussianviking]

 OP, I think you need to give different styles of anime a try. Your argument is like saying "All Russians are evil, vodka drinking commies just because of the cold war." Each artist has their different styles of drawing. so you can't judge a genre based on (in your opinion) past sins. Get out there, explore.

[GunMoth]

First off, I'd like to say that the reason why anime's settings have changed / are focused more on highshoolers is partly because a lot of the social issues Japan is going through right now. Especially with their work/academic force. (People are dying from being over worked. Because of the population decline, and the pressures that are apparent in their society a LOT of highschoolers are dropping out or going through a rough time in their lives)

A lot of "good" anime movies / shows - like things Satoshi did, Evangelion etc. the writers were in a really dark place emotionally. That's where a lot of that personal conflict comes from.

[GodWood]

GunMoth wrote...

Jedi31293 wrote...
The only good anime was the 90's anime. Or maybe that's just nostalgia talking...either way, I'm not a big fan of giving Mass Effect the anime treatment. However, I'll keep an open mind about it and hope it doesn't turn out to be another Halo: Legends failure.

Sigh. Okay. For you and Hellhound's sake. I'm going to make a list of good anime that has come out in the past few years.

- Paranoia Agent (2004)
- Paprika (2006)
- Anohana (2011) (Not as action-y as most, but its really emotionally intense and has amazing character development)
- Tekkonkinkreet (2006)
- Gosick (2011) (A murder mystery type show. Very different)

And then you have outrageous stuff like Toradora which is set in a stereotypical highschool setting - but the animators are amazing. 

I'd put more but I've lost motivation. :0 

- Death Note (2006)
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (2005)
- Samurai Champloo (2004)
- Animatrix (2003)

etc

[DCarter]

therussianviking wrote...

 OP, I think you need to give different styles of anime a try. Your argument is like saying "All Russians are evil, vodka drinking commies just because of the cold war." Each artist has their different styles of drawing. so you can't judge a genre based on (in your opinion) past sins. Get out there, explore.

Good anime/ bad anime is irrelevant. We must assum it will be done well because if it isn't it will suck regardless of the style. The question that mattersis will the anime style suit the mass effect universe?

[PARAGON87]

The ME anime is going to happen.

With Mass Effect, EA sees the hype surrounding it and can feel the money flowing, so of course they're going to jump on this opportunity.

[kregano]

GunMoth wrote...

kregano wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Jedi31293 wrote...

The only good anime was the 90's anime. Or maybe that's just nostalgia talking...either way, I'm not a big fan of giving Mass Effect the anime treatment. However, I'll keep an open mind about it and hope it doesn't turn out to be another Halo: Legends failure.

Sigh. Okay. For you and Hellhound's sake. I'm going to make a list of good anime that has come out in the past few years.

- Paranoia Agent (2004)
- Paprika (2006)
- Anohana (2011) (Not as action-y as most, but its really emotionally intense and has amazing character development)
- Tekkonkinkreet (2006)
- Gosick (2011) (A murder mystery type show. Very different)


I'd put more but I've lost motivation. :0 

gosick does NOT deserve to be on the same list as paranoia agent. "BIIKUUTTOOORREEKKAAAAA!!"

maybe it is the nostalgia talking, but it seems like japanese writers see cliches as a GOOD thing instead of limitations to be overcome.

It's not the writers, but the studios. There have been some pretty well written shows in the past few seasons, such as Tiger and Bunny and Steins;Gate, both fairly low budget and little studio interference.

I'll agree with you on Steins;Gate - but I have no respect for Tiger and Bunny at ALL. At first I assumed it was a jab at product placement in the industry, but its definitely walking that line a little bit too close in favor of product placement.

They incorporate the whole corporate sponsorship thing into the plot and it was necessary to get the show made since it was handed off to a studio full of newbies that didn't get the funding that Sacred Seven and Horizon are getting.

Plus it's a well written show with good characters and humor, so I don't really see the problem with the product placement since it's not like they changed episode plots to fit the needs of individual sponsors.

[Praetor Knight]

DCarter wrote...

Good anime/ bad anime is irrelevant. We must assum it will be done well because if it isn't it will suck regardless of the style. The question that mattersis will the anime style suit the mass effect universe?

I think the more realistic anime style would fit with Arcian's idea of Vigil and the Protheans (it was at the bottom of the first page, link).

The First Contact War and the Morning War, for example, feel more like they would need a different medium / art style to tell what happened in those conflicts.

[GunMoth]

DCarter wrote...

CGI films are not what i would class as anime. Unless your defining anime as any kind of Japanese animation in which case this is a pretty stupid discussion since we're talking in far too broad terms. I personally don't like the anime style and can't see it fitting with the mass effect universe.

Mass effect has a distinctly western feel to me, i don't know how well it could be conveyed in a Japanese style. I'd much rather see a decent cgi than an overstylised anime fan service for the hordes of weaboos who infest the internet.

So you don't consider Final Fantasy anime? 

Its cgi animation. It has concepts in it that are directly related to a specific culture/artistic movement. The Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie has a LOT of stylistic elements that are similar to Japanese anime from the 90ies and 80ies. 

Just because mainstream industry has changed (and square) to focus on a more stylistic approach (colorful hair, larger eyes etc.) does NOT mean that the requirements are any different. There are a lot of examples of different stylistic approaches to anime. 

Also, a lot of Mass Effects themes are Western. I will agree with you there. It is about an underdog that is overthrowing a larger power in order to gain their freedom. 

Japanese animation often focuses on more environmental issues/issues in a work force. 

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

DCarter wrote...

Good anime/ bad anime is irrelevant. We must assum it will be done well because if it isn't it will suck regardless of the style. The question that mattersis will the anime style suit the mass effect universe?

I think the more realistic anime style would fit with Arcian's idea of Vigil and the Protheans (it was at the bottom of the first page, link).

The First Contact War and the Morning War, for example, feel more like they would need a different medium / art style to tell what happened in those conflicts.

Why? Ghost in the Shell showed us that anime's pretty good at depicting futuristic warfare.

[GunMoth]

GodWood wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Jedi31293 wrote...
The only good anime was the 90's anime. Or maybe that's just nostalgia talking...either way, I'm not a big fan of giving Mass Effect the anime treatment. However, I'll keep an open mind about it and hope it doesn't turn out to be another Halo: Legends failure.

Sigh. Okay. For you and Hellhound's sake. I'm going to make a list of good anime that has come out in the past few years.

- Paranoia Agent (2004)
- Paprika (2006)
- Anohana (2011) (Not as action-y as most, but its really emotionally intense and has amazing character development)
- Tekkonkinkreet (2006)
- Gosick (2011) (A murder mystery type show. Very different)

And then you have outrageous stuff like Toradora which is set in a stereotypical highschool setting - but the animators are amazing. 

I'd put more but I've lost motivation. :0 

- Death Note (2006)
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (2005)
- Samurai Champloo (2004)
- Animatrix (2003)

etc

I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

[Homebound]

ANYWAYS....

i hope they dont let Japan write the script.

[GodWood]

GunMoth wrote...
I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

Really? Why?

[Quole]

Wait... the movie`s NOT live action?

Modifié par Quole, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:43 .

[GodWood]

Quole wrote...
Wait... the movie`s NOT live action?

There's a live action movie AND an anime.

[GunMoth]

GodWood wrote...

GunMoth wrote...
I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

Really? Why?

Artistic style.
The audience it was made for.
I couldn't empathize with any of the characters.
And I didn't find the storyline really compelling. 

:x Its just personal taste though. 

[Homebound]

GunMoth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Jedi31293 wrote...
The only good anime was the 90's anime. Or maybe that's just nostalgia talking...either way, I'm not a big fan of giving Mass Effect the anime treatment. However, I'll keep an open mind about it and hope it doesn't turn out to be another Halo: Legends failure.

Sigh. Okay. For you and Hellhound's sake. I'm going to make a list of good anime that has come out in the past few years.

- Paranoia Agent (2004)
- Paprika (2006)
- Anohana (2011) (Not as action-y as most, but its really emotionally intense and has amazing character development)
- Tekkonkinkreet (2006)
- Gosick (2011) (A murder mystery type show. Very different)

And then you have outrageous stuff like Toradora which is set in a stereotypical highschool setting - but the animators are amazing. 

I'd put more but I've lost motivation. :0 

- Death Note (2006)
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (2005)
- Samurai Champloo (2004)
- Animatrix (2003)

etc

I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

my god, its been 7 years since animatrix already? i remember watching that on tv.

[Homebound]

GunMoth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

GunMoth wrote...
I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

Really? Why?

Artistic style.
The audience it was made for.
I couldn't empathize with any of the characters.
And I didn't find the storyline really compelling. 

:x Its just personal taste though. 

no its not, thats a critique. now u need to express yourself and convey why you've judged it in such a way.

[Aesieru]

I liked the Halo Legends anime.

[GunMoth]

jollyorigins wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i just hope mass effect's story doesnt get animefied if it does get turned into an anime. Meet John Shepard, 17, all he wanted was to have a normal highschool life until a childhood friend bumps into him blahblahblah.

It's anime, so it would be more like "Meet John Shepard, 29, he survived the massacre on Akuze because he jumped 40 feet over a Thresher Maw whilst firing his assault rifle with his buttcheeks at 90 mph. He's moved on but the memories are so fresh they will haunt him forever, alas, woe, woe is John." Blah Blah Blah, dribble dribble, enter Ashley, Liara and Tali with double D boobs, drama, drama, yap yap dribble dribble overdone space battle with sovereign and Shepard vs Saren the end. 

Wow, that's a very narrow view you've got there. It's like saying the only way Mass Effect can work in America is by giving Shepard a spunky talking dog sidekick, having him sing musical numbers and dance, and shoehorning in a moral message at the last moment.

what im trying to say is, anime storylines are crap. the vast majority of them are crap. name 1 good anime show thats come out this year. thats right, you cant, because anime storylines are generally crap.

Lets take another great example of a game that had some anime crammed down it's throat; Halo (oh no, boo! hiss!). Yes Halo: Legends was one of the biggest atrocities to a game series I enjoyed very much. I can't believe I actually watched that crap, example 1; why did Cortana, a hologram, suddenly have the ability to move off a platform she could only move around on and was restricted to suddenly have the ability to move freely around the ship, grow to human size and wipe away the condensation from MC's cryo tank? And surprise surprise they completely over-sexualised her. 

You're only referring to Halo. 
And you're ignoring that plenty of western directors have completely obliterated anime / japanese videogames by making them live action movies. There will always be issues like that. Also, you said "another great example". That example was already used by the OP. I have not heard any new ones since. 

[Someone With Mass]

Where's the harm in expanding to more people?

[DCarter]

GunMoth wrote...

DCarter wrote...

CGI films are not what i would class as anime. Unless your defining anime as any kind of Japanese animation in which case this is a pretty stupid discussion since we're talking in far too broad terms. I personally don't like the anime style and can't see it fitting with the mass effect universe.

Mass effect has a distinctly western feel to me, i don't know how well it could be conveyed in a Japanese style. I'd much rather see a decent cgi than an overstylised anime fan service for the hordes of weaboos who infest the internet.

So you don't consider Final Fantasy anime? 

Its cgi animation. It has concepts in it that are directly related to a specific culture/artistic movement. The Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie has a LOT of stylistic elements that are similar to Japanese anime from the 90ies and 80ies. 

Just because mainstream industry has changed (and square) to focus on a more stylistic approach (colorful hair, larger eyes etc.) does NOT mean that the requirements are any different. There are a lot of examples of different stylistic approaches to anime. 

Also, a lot of Mass Effects themes are Western. I will agree with you there. It is about an underdog that is overthrowing a larger power in order to gain their freedom. 

Japanese animation often focuses on more environmental issues/issues in a work force. 

The film was intened to be largely photorealistic. Photorealism isn't a characteristic i would ascoicate with anime. Maybe the plot nuances and characters were in keeping with anime. I assumed the storyline concept and character sculpting of the mass effect film would be similar to other mass effect media. However i guess outside of sheppards story a different approach could work. I guess i will just have to judge the film when it comes out. 

Modifié par DCarter, 08 juillet 2011 - 08:58 .

[GunMoth]

Hellbound555 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

GunMoth wrote...
I disliked deathnote. :x But Samurai Champloo was really good. So was Animatrix. 

Really? Why?

Artistic style.
The audience it was made for.
I couldn't empathize with any of the characters.
And I didn't find the storyline really compelling. 

:x Its just personal taste though. 

no its not, thats a critique. now u need to express yourself and convey why you've judged it in such a way.

That makes no sense. Art (and its interpretations) are completely subjective. There are elements, principals and format that can make a piece of art objectively "good". However, my complaints about Death Note are entirely subjective.

I do not relate to the characters, while many people who love the anime probably do.
I do not like the animation style. 

That all comes down to personal taste and experience. 

 

[GunMoth]

DCarter wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

DCarter wrote...

CGI films are not what i would class as anime. Unless your defining anime as any kind of Japanese animation in which case this is a pretty stupid discussion since we're talking in far too broad terms. I personally don't like the anime style and can't see it fitting with the mass effect universe.

Mass effect has a distinctly western feel to me, i don't know how well it could be conveyed in a Japanese style. I'd much rather see a decent cgi than an overstylised anime fan service for the hordes of weaboos who infest the internet.

So you don't consider Final Fantasy anime? 

Its cgi animation. It has concepts in it that are directly related to a specific culture/artistic movement. The Final Fantasy: Spirits Within movie has a LOT of stylistic elements that are similar to Japanese anime from the 90ies and 80ies. 

Just because mainstream industry has changed (and square) to focus on a more stylistic approach (colorful hair, larger eyes etc.) does NOT mean that the requirements are any different. There are a lot of examples of different stylistic approaches to anime. 

Also, a lot of Mass Effects themes are Western. I will agree with you there. It is about an underdog that is overthrowing a larger power in order to gain their freedom. 

Japanese animation often focuses on more environmental issues/issues in a work force. 

The film was intened to be largely photorealistic. Photorealism isn't a characteristic i would ascoicate with anime. Maybe the plot nuances and characters were in keeping with anime but i assumed the storyline concept and character sculpting would be similar to other mass effect media. However i guess outside of sheppards story a different approach could work. I guess i will just have to judge the film when it comes out. 

The storyline has nothing to do with Mass Effect. They mainly based the atmosphere and artistic style off of it. And while you may not see it, I do. Primarily the colors, the ships, the suits of armor, and most of the atmosphere. Before Spirits Within, there were no games in western society that even came close to that level of presentation in a FPS, RPG or any of the sort. That artistic style is / was EXTREMELY Japanese. Times have changed with all the Halos and the Killzones and the Mass Effects.  


http://wallpapersgal...Within-84-3.jpg

http://www.dvdactive...2005/11/ff1.jpg

http://www.dvdactive...2005/11/ff2.jpg


Edit: I apologize not all of these are hyperlinked. I'll work on that. I hate this forum's format.


EDIT EDIT: And by presentation I meant stylistic 

Modifié par GunMoth, 08 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[DCarter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where's the harm in expanding to more people?

Depends on how far it strays from the origional materials. Most comic books and star wars franchise are classic examples of the quality and coherence getting worse adn worse as the materical expands. One of the things i love about mass effects is it's believabilitiy (in general). I'd hate to see that immersiveness ruined because bioware simply didn't know when to stop.