marshalleck wrote...
Hardly. I've never even heard of those animes Luc0s was talking about.Seboist wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Luc0s wrote...
Go watch at least one of those 3 and after seeing it with an open mind, come back here and tell me what you thought about it.
Open minds on the BSN? Haha, yeah right. Around here, anything Japanese is considered crap.
You're a weaboo!!!
I actually liked Dragon Ball Zmarshalleck wrote...
Open minds on the BSN? Haha, yeah right. Around here, anything Japanese is considered crap. All Japanese animations look like Dragon Ball Z, all Japanese games look and play like Final Fantasy VII, etc. etc.
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Yeah, I figured and made an edit.Seboist wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Hardly. I've never even heard of those animes Luc0s was talking about.Seboist wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Luc0s wrote...
Go watch at least one of those 3 and after seeing it with an open mind, come back here and tell me what you thought about it.
Open minds on the BSN? Haha, yeah right. Around here, anything Japanese is considered crap.
You're a weaboo!!!
I wasn't being serious. :happy:
Is that actually being made? I thought the early images were test frames for the cinematic team working on the game.Alistairlover94 wrote...
I know this is a bit off-topic, but where's that Dragon Age Anime?
Modifié par marshalleck, 09 juillet 2011 - 03:45 .
I really don't even know where to start. Most of the "good western animation" that you listed is kind of terrible by today's standards. When I say today's standards I mean the precedent set by modern western series. I have no interest in arguing that western art is better than anime, because there's no objective worth on either side of that argument. But to say that there is no good western art anymore, or even few, is just totally ignorant.Luc0s wrote...
Dangerfoot wrote...
You obviously have either a very limited knowledge of western art and animation, or you acknowledge very few things as being western art and animation. Either way, you're wrong.
Oh really? Give ONE example of a modern western cartoon or animation series that isn't completely hideous and extremely boring. The ONLY modern western cartoon that I look forward to is the remake of Thundercats.
Seriously, give me some names of series or stfu.
Modifié par Dangerfoot, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:04 .
ErectionsCanada wrote...
I swear to God, if the Mass effect franchise ever gets the Halo: Legends treatment... I believe I might just need to kill myself. The movie being made by Legendary Pictures is anime-style, apparently, yet the higher-ups of BioWare are signed on for quality control, and for good reason I have learned to trust their judgement. It's not simply the look of anime that fails - although the eye size, lack of noses and disproportionate everything is somewhat disturbing - but everything else is embarrassing as well - voice acting, the dialog, the storyline and, half the time, even the framerate is reminiscent of the first, budget episodes of Pokemon.
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Dangerfoot wrote...
I really don't even know where to start. Most of the "good western animation" that you listed is kind of terrible by today's standards. When I say today's standards I mean the precedent set by modern western series. I have no interest in arguing that western art is better than anime, because that would be a silly argument with no objective worth. But to say that there is no good western art anymore, or even few, is just totally ignorant.Luc0s wrote...
Dangerfoot wrote...
You obviously have either a very limited knowledge of western art and animation, or you acknowledge very few things as being western art and animation. Either way, you're wrong.
Oh really? Give ONE example of a modern western cartoon or animation series that isn't completely hideous and extremely boring. The ONLY modern western cartoon that I look forward to is the remake of Thundercats.
Seriously, give me some names of series or stfu.
Since you like anime so much though, how about Avatar: the Last Airbender? You probably don't consider Pixar animation, but it is, and it blows a lot of anime out of the water in terms of detail, beauty and personality. And your assessment of "all" modern cartoons is just ridiculous. Wolverine & the X-Men and Young Justice were both miles better than the '90s X-Men cartoon. I really don't know where you're getting this nonsense from, it's no different than people who say all anime is valueless, low-quality crap. It's just wrong. You're wrong.
Modifié par Luc0s, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:07 .
Surprise surprise, you're a stubborn, ignorant fanboy. Never would have guessed.Luc0s wrote...
Today's standards is crap like Spongebob Squarepants and Totally Spies. That's the kind of crap that's shown in TV these days and that's the kind of crap I hate so much.
Avatar: the Last Airbender is also pretty crap. It's wannabe Japanese anime and it fails miserably at it. Avatar is just an imitation anime, a really bad imitation anime.
Pixar is 3D. I was talking about 2D animation. Though if we also take 3D animation into the discussion, I have to say Pixar is also starting to lose it's shine. Toy Story 3 was okay but Cars 2 is just totally crap.
And no, the modern X-men cartoons, the modern Batman cartoons, the modern Transformers cartoons and what else are all worse than the 80's and 90's versions. The 80's and 90's cartoons where MUCH more mature. It all was far mor serious than today's kiddy crap. It seems as if people today think that cartoons are for children, while back in the early 90's cartoons where not just for children, but also for teenagers and young-adults.
Lucky for me, Japan hasn't forgotten about the (young) adults. At least they still make cartoons for people from my age.
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Dangerfoot wrote...
Surprise surprise, you're a stubborn, ignorant fanboy. Never would have guessed.Luc0s wrote...
Today's standards is crap like Spongebob Squarepants and Totally Spies. That's the kind of crap that's shown in TV these days and that's the kind of crap I hate so much.
Avatar: the Last Airbender is also pretty crap. It's wannabe Japanese anime and it fails miserably at it. Avatar is just an imitation anime, a really bad imitation anime.
Pixar is 3D. I was talking about 2D animation. Though if we also take 3D animation into the discussion, I have to say Pixar is also starting to lose it's shine. Toy Story 3 was okay but Cars 2 is just totally crap.
And no, the modern X-men cartoons, the modern Batman cartoons, the modern Transformers cartoons and what else are all worse than the 80's and 90's versions. The 80's and 90's cartoons where MUCH more mature. It all was far mor serious than today's kiddy crap. It seems as if people today think that cartoons are for children, while back in the early 90's cartoons where not just for children, but also for teenagers and young-adults.
Lucky for me, Japan hasn't forgotten about the (young) adults. At least they still make cartoons for people from my age.
Luc0s wrote...
Dangerfoot wrote...
I really don't even know where to start. Most of the "good western animation" that you listed is kind of terrible by today's standards. When I say today's standards I mean the precedent set by modern western series. I have no interest in arguing that western art is better than anime, because that would be a silly argument with no objective worth. But to say that there is no good western art anymore, or even few, is just totally ignorant.Luc0s wrote...
Dangerfoot wrote...
You obviously have either a very limited knowledge of western art and animation, or you acknowledge very few things as being western art and animation. Either way, you're wrong.
Oh really? Give ONE example of a modern western cartoon or animation series that isn't completely hideous and extremely boring. The ONLY modern western cartoon that I look forward to is the remake of Thundercats.
Seriously, give me some names of series or stfu.
Since you like anime so much though, how about Avatar: the Last Airbender? You probably don't consider Pixar animation, but it is, and it blows a lot of anime out of the water in terms of detail, beauty and personality. And your assessment of "all" modern cartoons is just ridiculous. Wolverine & the X-Men and Young Justice were both miles better than the '90s X-Men cartoon. I really don't know where you're getting this nonsense from, it's no different than people who say all anime is valueless, low-quality crap. It's just wrong. You're wrong.
And no, the modern X-men cartoons, the modern Batman cartoons, the modern Transformers cartoons and what else are all worse than the 80's and 90's versions. The 80's and 90's cartoons where MUCH more mature. It all was far mor serious than today's kiddy crap. It seems as if people today think that cartoons are for children, while back in the early 90's cartoons where not just for children, but also for teenagers and young-adults.
Modifié par littlezack, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:09 .
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littlezack wrote...
Bullcrap, at least in some instances. Spectacular Spider-Man is so superior to the 90s Spider-Man cartoon that it's almost embarrassing. Young Justice is pretty good from what I've seen, and don't forget about Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
Those are all quality western animation, on par easily with most anime. I have no interest in continuing to discuss the merits of western animation with someone with aggresively idiotic viewpoints on something they clearly have no real knowledge about at all. At the very least you could learn to have some perspective, but your fanboy eyes and nostalgia glasses are totally warping your brain. There is absolutely no point in talking to someone like you. You're just going to continue saying silly things.Luc0s wrote...
Surprise surprise, you fail to make a valid counter-argument. never would have guessed. You sir, fail.
Modifié par Dangerfoot, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .
Agreed all the way. Those two were classics, but Spider-Man and X-Men have only improved. And while I loved TMNT as a kid, holding it above modern animation... ugh. I'm facepalming hard.littlezack wrote...
And while we're on the subject, 80s and 90s cartoons were not 'much more mature'. Hell, the Spider-Man cartoon never even let him punch people. Cartoons like Batman: TAS, were the exception, not the rule. Gargoyles, too. Aside from that, cartoons were very tame. In fact, they've gotten more mature over time, as a whole.
Luc0s wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Bullcrap, at least in some instances. Spectacular Spider-Man is so superior to the 90s Spider-Man cartoon that it's almost embarrassing. Young Justice is pretty good from what I've seen, and don't forget about Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
Well I haven't seen enough from the Justice series to make a valid judgement on it. From what I've seen, the animation itself looked pretty good. But I can't say much about the plot since I haven't seen more than 2 episodes. I guess I need to download the series and give it a try. If it's actually good I might even buy the actual DVD's.
As for Spectacular Spiderman, in my opinion Spidey's character has become rather obnoxious in that series. Spidey has always been a funny man with a silly sense of humor. Spidey often jokes around, but in Spectacular Spiderman he's trying a bit TOO hard at being funny, which makes him rather obnoxious instead of funny. He's also a lot less mature in Spectacular than in the old animated series. As for the visual style, it really isn't my cup of tea, but that's just personal taste.
Guest_Luc0s_*
littlezack wrote...
Anyway, I could go on all day about the quality of cartoons over the decades, but the point is, a Mass Effect cartoon can be done right.
Whereas the rest of the world learned from thier mistakes.Luc0s wrote...
Ghibli is one of the few anime studios that still draws their backgrounds the traditional way, with real paint on real canvas..
Oh look, a small part of the Unseen University from the 1995 Discworld Adventure game. With legs.Luc0s wrote...
Does this look unimaginative and passionless?.
Oh look, it's generic-floating-cityistan, except they couldn't be bothered to make it in any way interesting so they just made it round instead.Luc0s wrote...
And you dare to say this is unimaginative and passionless?.
Oh, look, Asia. Possibly India.Luc0s wrote...
And this?.
Yes, I missed that completely. From my point of view she didn't change in the slightest. She started off spoiled and annoying, she ended spoiled and annoying.Luc0s wrote...
Spirited Away was about growing up and valuing the things you have. You see Chihiro grow from a spoiled little child to a mature and smart little girl. The character development in Spirited Away is simply amazing.
Because she is.Luc0s wrote...
Howl's Moving Castle follows a similar structure as Spirited Away, but in this case it's about a young woman who doesn't appreciate herself for who she is. She thinks she's ugly and boring.
... No she doesn't. Her entire self worth at the end is built around her boyfriends opinion of her. Okay, this is a difference, but it's hardly what I'd call growth.Luc0s wrote...
She has an incredibly low self-esteem. Nobody cares about her, or so she thinks. When Sophie gets cursed by the witch and becomes an old women, only then she starts to appreciate who she is/was. Sophie has a great personality and a kind heart and the young wizard Howl sees this. Howl sees Sophie for who she really is and loves her for who she is.
Luc0s wrote...
Go watch at least one of those 3 and after seeing it with an open mind, come back here and tell me what you thought about it.
Modifié par Parion, 09 juillet 2011 - 06:17 .
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