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[Mike3207]

So I just went through the Flemeth fight at level 16. Dog and Wynne lived, but the PC and Sten died. The thing of it is, I don't see any reason to do that fight. The only loot she carries is a key, and she offers to give that to you before the fight. No XP for the fight that I can see, and Morrigan doesn't seem to know if you killed her or picked up the key from Flemeth. So does it have any storyline affect to do that fight(especially since I know you see her in DA2)?

[Jedimaster88]

From what I´ve seen, no, it doesnt have that much of a storyline affect. You do gain a big amount of approval from morrigan if you do the deed. I think its more about how much your PC trusts/values/ cares for morrigan that he/she is willing to risk his/her life for her. We know its a task that comes with no real big reward and Morrigan realizes this too. If I would have to quess, I would say it may change her view about many things and so on. Whether or not this will have any effect for morrigans behavior in any future appearances, is a mystery at the moment.

Well the one thing about her that does change is that if her approval gets to max, she really starts to care for the warden. The warden becomes propably the only person she cares about. She will find a friend in the warden or a loved one, depending on the wardens gender and other relationship status´.

[gandanlin]

I have mixed feelings about the Flemeth fight. She did save the Wardens from the darkspawn in the tower at Ostagar, so there is a sort of debt there that is poorly repaid by coming back and killing her.

Of course Morrigan says that Flemeth lives by taking over the bodies of her "daughters," and that may be a good enough reason to do battle with Flemeth. Maybe. I have tried bargaining with Flemeth but that causes a loss of approval with Wynne, so I reloaded and opted for the fight. But Wynne does not like Morrigan much, either.

All I can say is that by killing Flemeth it seems to open up the possibility of receiving Morrigan's ring and having her teach her shapeshifting talents. I've always killed Flemeth, so I am not certain these cannot be obtained in other ways.

In any case, killing Flemeth apparently does not really kill her (according to what Morrigan says afterward).

[Nerdage]

Roleplaying? The warden doesn't know she comes back in DA2.

[Arthur Cousland]

Flemeth only saved the wardens so one could impregnate Morrigan for the ogb. While it was nice of her to save the warden's life, she didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart.

While you can lie about Flemeth's fate to Morrigan, I kill her as supposedly it is supposed to help keep Morrigan from being possessed, or at least gives her time until Flemeth finds another body elsewhere.

I also kill Flemeth because dragon fights are fun.

In DA2, you meet Flemeth during the destruction of Lothering. This would be long before the warden had a chance to kill her.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Braggin rights? How many people in Thedas can say they slew a physical form of what seems to be a supernatural being?

[Arthur Cousland]

How many people in Theadas can say they slew Flemeth, the high dragon, the archdemon and Queen of the Blackmarsh? Keep the dragons coming!

As Oghren said, "Nothing gets the blood flowing like a dragon battle!"

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:36 .

[gandanlin]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Flemeth only saved the wardens so one could impregnate Morrigan for the ogb. While it was nice of her to save the warden's life, she didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart.

While you can lie about Flemeth's fate to Morrigan, I kill her as supposedly it is supposed to help keep Morrigan from being possessed, or at least gives her time until Flemeth finds another body elsewhere.

I also kill Flemeth because dragon fights are fun.

In DA2, you meet Flemeth during the destruction of Lothering. This would be long before the warden had a chance to kill her.

I agree, the dragon fights are fun.  Also a good way to practice and develop tactics for the final fight with the archdemon.

I haven't yet played DA2, so I don't know anything about that game.  Sounds interesting, though.

I have always sort of wondered if Morrigan and Wynne are two faces of the Triple Goddess, if you know that myth.   The Triple Goddess usually goes something like Maiden, Mother, Old Crone.  So Morrigan would be the maiden figure who is impregnated to become the Mother figure.  Flemeth would be the Old Crone.  But they are related aspects of the same goddess figure.

But then again, maybe not.  I am probably  just putting theories on things where they don't belong.

[WhiteKnyght]

Well you're defending Morrigan.

Flemeth wanted you to keep Morrigan safe when she entrusted her to you right? So by that logic you are being true to your word by protecting Morrigan from her.

[TBastian]

RP-wise besides the reason from post above, your Warden could also be smart enough to realize that you can never really kill Flemmeth anyway. Bonus points if your Warden is insightful enough to realize that if she wouldn't want you dead either - if she wanted you dead, you'd be fried already instead of wordplaying with her pre-Dragon fight. She even let you come near her in the first place, when the fact that Morrigan isn't with you and the fact that you're in the swamps instead of working on the Darkspawn problem pretty much gives away your intent - and she'd have known of your presence the moment you entered her domain.
So if your Warden knows that, at best, although he/she can provoke Flemmeth into fighting, he/she can never truly defeat the true Witch of the Wilds, and that if Flemmeth wanted him/her dead then she would have killed him/her already, then he/she knows that there's no harm in testing each other's mettle. He/she already know the entire affair is going to be a fiasco, so why not play along and learn a bit about each other's strengths?
The logic comes full circle as the battle progresses and Flemmeth actually gives you the advantage by not taking to the air - you KNOW she's just playing with you.

Modifié par TBastian, 10 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .

[Tremere]

At first (with only the benefit of pre-conception), I questioned whether there was a "real" reason for me to kill Flemeth... all things considered. Once I was in the situation, I felt like destroying her was somehow... necessary. Probably for some of the reasons mentioned above, but ultimately because it felt... "necessary". *shrugs*

[Quething]

As others have said:

a) Because your Warden cares about Morrigan and wants to help protect her.

Because killing dragons is fun.

[Last Darkness]

Not really, Flemeth has never actualy given you any reason to do her harm.
Shes using you of course but not to a degree death is the only possible solution too.


Im extermly curios if the dialog in DA2 changes to affect you negotiating with Flemeth and just taking the Grimore. I like her character and see no real reason to fight her, then again I made deals with most demons and blood mages in the game as well so I may be a bit "moraly" off as it were. (Id let Sophia in Wardens Keep go if it didnt benefit me and the Wardens more to side with Avernus)

[gingergen]

My Warden didn't kill her - he's not entirely pro-Morrigan and had a healthy respect for what the Witch of the Wilds might be able to do. When he got back to camp, Morrigan was happy to have the book and didn't even really ask how he got it. So I think it's pretty much up to how you want to roleplay it.

[Last Darkness]

gingergen wrote...

My Warden didn't kill her - he's not entirely pro-Morrigan and had a healthy respect for what the Witch of the Wilds might be able to do. When he got back to camp, Morrigan was happy to have the book and didn't even really ask how he got it. So I think it's pretty much up to how you want to roleplay it.

Im curious specificaly how events turn out if your Warden is Morrigans lover and negotiates with Flemeth(IE dosnt kill her). How this resolves in Witch Hunt and DA2.

As a Dalish, my people respect and fear the woman of many years.


I also run the ZDF Mod and Morrigans Dialog fixes.

[gingergen]

There I can't help you -- I've only played through the once so far, and my mage only has the hots for Zevran.

[Graywolfe]

sometimes i kill her sometimes i do not, depends on my PC at the time. if i am in love with Morrigan then i take her out. others like my dwarven thief that is only intrested in money and power makes a deal with her and lie to Morrigan.

[rozzer2k1]

The fight with Flemeth is brutal. I was INTO the game after that fight.

[DialupToaster]

I killed her because she would not give me the flipping book to use for myself.

SPOILER

I killed the dragon cultists, poored the blood into the ashes, killed the dragon, finishing with the execution of brother whats his face... It was awesome.