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[Lord Coake]

Eterna5 wrote...

I like how we've seen one trailer and are already calling it fail. At least give it a freaking chance.

It's a goddamed DA2 DLC.  If was doomed to be pure **** the monent Laidlaw hucked it up onto a meeting table after a night of PBR and cheetos.

[ademska]

super baller bro you got anymore where that comes from

[Deadmac]

"Dragon Age II: Legacy" is going to be a Hawke origin story, which should have originally been apart of the game. If BioWare built this into "Dragon Age II's" main plot, (ACT I: Uncovering Hawke's Lineage), I would have have been the first to buy the game.

As a result of "Dragon Age: Legacy" being a DLC, the content's legnth is going to be extremely short. "Dragon Age: Legacy" is going in the right direction, but its not enough for me to fork over $60 and 800 BioWare points.

Second, you obtain "a powerful class-specific weapon". One (1) new weapon for one (1) specific class. Woof... Even though you can customize the new sword, you cannot pass it around to other teammates. Nor, can you pass it along to your mage and rouge.

Link: http://dragonage.bio...2/addon/legacy/

If BioWare releases more DLC like this, the final "Dragon Age II: Ultimate Edition" will be worth the purchase.

Unlike everyone else who bought "Dragon Age II" early, I have both time and patience on my side.

Modifié par Deadmac, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:02 .

[cpz01]

MOTB was an addon this is a DLC, dont expect MOTB levels of story depth and mechanics out of legacy.  

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

MotB was also a green light for Obsidian writers and designers to go nuts with whatever ideas they wanted to put into a game. It's probably a reason why it gives off a Planescape: Torment vibe, as that was developed under a similar mindset.

But why would anyone expect Legacy to be of MotB quality?

[Lord Coake]

mrcrusty wrote...

MotB was also a green light for Obsidian writers and designers to go nuts with whatever ideas they wanted to put into a game. It's probably a reason why it gives off a Planescape: Torment vibe, as that was developed under a similar mindset.

But why would anyone expect Legacy to be of MotB quality?

Because some deluded people still have faith in Bioware's ability to sneak something good past EA and Laidlaw.

[John Epler]

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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Lord Coake wrote...

Because some deluded people still have faith in Bioware's ability to sneak something good past EA and Laidlaw.

But Mask of the Betrayer was a full blown expansion, not a DLC. If people must compare it to a stellar Obsidian product, comparing it to the Dead Money F:NV DLC is much more appropriate. Or the Point Lookout DLC for Fallout 3 from Bethesda. Two of the best adventure based DLC in recent years for an (Action) RPG.

If people are expecting Mask of the Betrayer, then their expectations are far too high, period. As to whether Legacy will be a good DLC or not... we'll just have to wait until it's released.

[JaegerBane]

cpz01 wrote...


MOTB was an addon this is a DLC, dont expect MOTB levels of story depth and mechanics out of legacy.  

mrcrusty wrote...
But Mask of the Betrayer was a full blown expansion, not a DLC. If people must compare it to a stellar Obsidian product, comparing it to the Dead Money F:NV DLC is much more appropriate. Or the Point Lookout DLC for Fallout 3 from Bethesda. Two of the best adventure based DLC in recent years for an (Action) RPG.

If people are expecting Mask of the Betrayer, then their expectations are far too high, period. As to whether Legacy will be a good DLC or not... we'll just have to wait until it's released.

It's worth pointing out that there is no actual distinction between 'DLC' and 'Expansion'. They're both add-ons. There's been very long and very short DLCs, and the same goes for an expansion. Technically, Shivering Isles was a DLC for Oblivion, and that featured an entire realm of Oblivion to adventure around.

I fully agree that expecting Legacy to be anywhere near MotB is the crazy side of optimism, but let's not pretend the simple fact there's a DLC label over Legacy somehow decrees a hard limit on how good it can be. I would have thought after Lair of the Shadow Broker, the old idea that DLCs are limited would have died a death.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:44 .

[Reaverwind]

Chancer15 wrote...

I think it looks cool, but I kind of want some more Companions. I think the Darkspawn are used way to much in Dragon age and i think its time for some new Great threat. I also want some God damn Costume packs lol. I am sick of seeing my companions wear the sam thing for 10 damn years.

Just saw the trailer, and must say it looks like a cheap attempt to connect Hawke to the Wardens (not to mention I sense another nonsensical retcon - tsk, tsk Bioware).Buh-bye!

[Wulf19]

Legacy: Will buy. Wasted 10$ on much worst stuff before (Steam, why you tempt me?!). I enjoyed both DA2 and Origins greatly, and Bioware isn't developing anything related to the CoD style crap games flooding the market and thusly I will support them. After being a gamer for over 20 years, I can tell I can't ask for much from the gaming industry right now - it's gone mainstream directly by way of the garbage shoot, probably thanks to publishing companies taking creative control over developement (always a bad idea). Appearantly most companies now think their target audiance has an extremely low two digit IQ, so they can't put too much detail into their games or make their systems the least bit complex. Bright shiney colors should be enough too keep them playing, right? That said DA2 is still a lovely gem of hope for me as a cRPG fanatic, even if it's not perfect. Origins wasn't either, just remove those rose tinted glasses.

So far, here is my major complaint against Legacy with as little as we've heard: I think it's hilarious they keep talking about
"tactical gameplay" coming back for this DLC - no tactical camera? No
thanks. I'll just keep kiting your stupid pokey AI around with Avaline and pretend I'm being all crafty and strategic while running in a circle. Trying to actually play tactically without that camera is a frustrating
joke. I can't even click 3/4ths of the surrounding enviroment because it's blocked from view. If this DLC has mostly open enviroments it could be fine... but I doubt it, as they love their corridors. Another example of "oh noes precious consoles can't handle it so lets screw PC players over too". Reconsider this stance for DA3 please. If there is going to be a DA3...

[Deadmac]

Reaverwind wrote...
Just saw the trailer, and must say it looks like a cheap attempt to connect Hawke to the Wardens (not to mention I sense another nonsensical retcon - tsk, tsk Bioware).Buh-bye!

Lol...

BioWare is trying to give Hawke's existence more depth and meaning.

After playing "Dragon Age: Awakenings", I knew they were all out of ideas. "Dragon Age: Legacy" looks like a dlc clone of "Dragon Age: Awakenings". We have our Architect, Deep Roads, Darkspawn, etc...

BioWare may have thematically stalled with the franchise; thus, the second version comes off like a cheap attempt to make cash.

I don't know. We have to wait and see where other dlc goes.

All these repetitive themes are getting boring.

Modifié par Deadmac, 11 juillet 2011 - 06:10 .

[Akka le Vil]

JaegerBane wrote...

It's worth pointing out that there is no actual distinction between 'DLC' and 'Expansion'. They're both add-ons. There's been very long and very short DLCs, and the same goes for an expansion. Technically, Shivering Isles was a DLC for Oblivion, and that featured an entire realm of Oblivion to adventure around.

Technically, you're right, "DLC" only means it's delivered by download rather than by a box version.
But in most case, the reality is that "DLC" imply short, high-priced content that is usually just tacked on the product. If someone means a real, meaty addition to a game, he will use "expansion" instead.

[veramis]

Hawke, I am your father.

[MorrigansLove]

Wait for reviews. See if Bioware has redeemed itself. If not, I'm done.

[aries1001]

It is much easier (at least I think so) to revamp or redo a game with a single protagonist (Geralt) than a game which has a party line up (DA2). Also, the problems people had with Witcher 1 was not re-used environments or enemies dropping from the sky; it was with the dialogue and bugs (as I remember it).

As for the issues the DLC 'legacy' adresses, Luke Barret already has said that the 'wave combat' has been overhauled as well as that the Legacy DLC will play for 3-5 hours, depending on your playstyle.

[Blastback]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Wait for reviews. See if Bioware has redeemed itself. If not, I'm done.

Keep in mind, that with DLC, there is only so much that they will be able to do.  A number of the mechanical complaints that i have are definatly not going to be fixed, simply because of the realities of Legacy's nature. 

This has the potential to make or break my intrest in DA2 DLC, but I'll wait for the next full game before I make any judgments on wheter or not to abandon the Dragon Age franchise.

[Demx]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Obviously the playthrough length will change by playstyle and preference but I'd say you're probably going to average at least three hours on your first time through. If you're a true completion it'll be more, especially if I tell you there is an easter egg in it and you don't use the internet to cheat and look up how to get it

Aside from Exiled Prince, all other DLC is playable at any time in the game, including from the Post-Campaign save.

Bioware giving a rough estimate on the length of gameplay? Now that's the first time I've seen that happen. It usually who cares about how long the game is. At least this shows me, Bioware has confidence behind the DLC they are putting out.

[Fhaileas]

Doodoo

[Ronnel]

They are giving more demo to this 3 hrs DLC, wonder if the demo actually spoiled the whole Legacy by showing more demo in it, but I'll watch closely if there's single re-used map oh I mean edited map in this DLC.

[JaegerBane]

Reaverwind wrote...

Chancer15 wrote...

I think it looks cool, but I kind of want some more Companions. I think the Darkspawn are used way to much in Dragon age and i think its time for some new Great threat. I also want some God damn Costume packs lol. I am sick of seeing my companions wear the sam thing for 10 damn years.

Just saw the trailer, and must say it looks like a cheap attempt to connect Hawke to the Wardens (not to mention I sense another nonsensical retcon - tsk, tsk Bioware).Buh-bye!

I don't think this is really fair. Depending on how you play it Hawke is already connected to their wardens via their sibling. If the DLC tried to get Hawke to undergo the joining but let the whole rest of the game play as normal, *that* would be cheap.

But then again, I really enjoy the lore behind the Wardens. The more they're mentioned, the better.

[Chiramu]

On Legacy, I just watched the trailer for it and it didn't really excite me at all.

It then makes me wonder about how long it would take to finish if you do absolutely everything in it? There didn't seem like much story at all to the Legacy DLC :<, which is upsetting.

Why does Hawke have a story linked to darkspawn and the Grey Wardens too? Hawke isn't a Grey Warden :/.

[Metalunatic]

Lord Coake wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I like how we've seen one trailer and are already calling it fail. At least give it a freaking chance.

It's a goddamed DA2 DLC.  If was doomed to be pure **** the monent Laidlaw hucked it up onto a meeting table after a night of PBR and cheetos.

[Metalunatic]

veramis wrote...

Hawke, I am your father.

Somehow the possibility of this outcome doesn't seem impossible to me. It would be horribly clichéd, and ridicilous, but at least it would make me spill whatever I'd be drinking at the time.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 13 juillet 2011 - 12:10 .

[JaegerBane]

Chiramu wrote...
Why does Hawke have a story linked to darkspawn and the Grey Wardens too? Hawke isn't a Grey Warden :/.

At a guess it would be to add some interesting background, as his life story was a snore-fest.

Hawke - 'Yes! I am Hawke, Apostate Extradonaire! I will regale you with my adventures! Let me tell you about the time I found a hat in the sewers....'

Warden - 'I'd rather I hear about the deep roads expedition. I once led one myself down there - we managed to go further than any had thought possible. We discovered hard evidence of how the Darkspawn reproduce in such numbers, and we also discovered that Caridin, the father of golemcraft, was still alive! And House Branka, what a tragedy, she had gone mad with power-'

Hawke - 'NEVER MIND THAT, I HAVE AN AWESOME BUTTON'