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[thenemesis1]

This is for the ones that love that know we only need the Warden as our Hero. Warden fans..this is the way home, only the Warden can do it. www.youtube.com/watch

[whykikyouwhy]

So...the Proving Grounds = Thunderdome? 

[thenemesis1]

I think the warden did this in orzammar, he is just like Max, lose but he/she still fights for what is right in the end..even if they don't come across that way, man, David has a character that could be a icon, damn dude act on it and ad your story to him/her....its there. Warden as the main pc in da3 and a mad max kind of character..damn that is so great.....how could that be bad?

[thenemesis1]

2nd post, sorry.

Modifié par thenemesis1, 09 juillet 2011 - 12:01 .

[jlb524]

No, because Mel Gibson is evil.

[Rann]

Well, thank you *very much* for getting that tune stuck in my head... :-P

[Dubya75]

Oh get over the damn warden already!

[Graspiloot]

I dont get why the a voiceless protagonist with no expressions on their face should be brought back. Even if you don't like Hawke still a new one seems better for me...

[TEWR]

thenemesis1 wrote...

This is for the ones that love that know we only need the Warden as our Hero. Warden fans..this is the way home, only the Warden can do it. www.youtube.com/watch

I prefer the Northern Kings cover over the original Tina Turner version.




Also, no I don't want "just the Warden". I do want well developed heroes though. But I do want to see more of my Warden. Xanthos Aeducan should've been made king of Orzammar!

[TEWR]

Mash Mashington wrote...

this is where i back away slowly

I am absolutely mesmerized by your avatar....

[D00m580]

Actually, seeing as some people are taking their infatuation with the whole warden thing to an unhealthy level, I am kind of glad bioware dropped that protagonist.

[erynnar]

Graspiloot wrote...

I dont get why the a voiceless protagonist with no expressions on their face should be brought back. Even if you don't like Hawke still a new one seems better for me...

You know, I am getting pretty sick of this nosensical argument. I am replaying DAO, and my Warden has expressions (ie when Eleanor opens the bedroom door, she shows shock at seeing her mother, etc). The Warden is not completely expressionless, and it is bull**** as an argument.

Did the Warden have as many as you would have liked? Guess not. Did you spend time looking at the Warden's shoulder (not the back of their head as that bull**** argument gets bandied about either, the shoulder as the camera is focused on the NPC, not the Warden)? Yep. 

[TEWR]

erynnar wrote...

Graspiloot wrote...

I dont get why the a voiceless protagonist with no expressions on their face should be brought back. Even if you don't like Hawke still a new one seems better for me...

You know, I am getting pretty sick of this nosensical argument. I am replaying DAO, and my Warden has expressions (ie when Eleanor opens the bedroom door, she shows shock at seeing her mother, etc). The Warden is not completely expressionless, and it is bull**** as an argument.

Did the Warden have as many as you would have liked? Guess not. Did you spend time looking at the Warden's shoulder (not the back of their head as that bull**** argument gets bandied about either, the shoulder as the camera is focused on the NPC, not the Warden)? Yep. 

It is a weak argument.


But I have to admit, I don't understand why people prefer silent protagonists. It's not like a voiced protagonist can't be roleplayed from scratch. It's just something that Bioware is going to have to really try hard to get right. DA2, due to the rushed nature, wasn't able to get it right.

[erynnar]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Graspiloot wrote...

I dont get why the a voiceless protagonist with no expressions on their face should be brought back. Even if you don't like Hawke still a new one seems better for me...

You know, I am getting pretty sick of this nosensical argument. I am replaying DAO, and my Warden has expressions (ie when Eleanor opens the bedroom door, she shows shock at seeing her mother, etc). The Warden is not completely expressionless, and it is bull**** as an argument.

Did the Warden have as many as you would have liked? Guess not. Did you spend time looking at the Warden's shoulder (not the back of their head as that bull**** argument gets bandied about either, the shoulder as the camera is focused on the NPC, not the Warden)? Yep. 

It is a weak argument.


But I have to admit, I don't understand why people prefer silent protagonists. It's not like a voiced protagonist can't be roleplayed from scratch. It's just something that Bioware is going to have to really try hard to get right. DA2, due to the rushed nature, wasn't able to get it right.

True, I didn't mind Witcher2's voiced protag as much as I thought I would (and Geralt is really a character that was created by someone else, so he is fully formed on his own). But I can't role play Geralt. He is Geralt. I can enjoy hiim because he is a well written character I get to play with.

Hawke was not, and tried to be in the middle and failed as a character. She was too much BioWares little doll, and yet she was not formed enough to make a compelling and interesting person with which to interact with the DA universe. The only solution to Hawke that I see is for BioWare to commit to making Hawke a character like Geralt (which means no real formation of their personailty except in the most minute of ways) or go back to Origins style.

[TEWR]

erynnar wrote...


True, I didn't mind Witcher2's voiced protag as much as I thought I would (and Geralt is really a character that was created by someone else, so he is fully formed on his own). But I can't role play Geralt. He is Geralt. I can enjoy hiim because he is a well written character I get to play with.

Hawke was not, and tried to be in the middle and failed as a character. She was too much BioWares little doll, and yet she was not formed enough to make a compelling and interesting person with which to interact with the DA universe. The only solution to Hawke that I see is for BioWare to commit to making Hawke a character like Geralt (which means no real formation of their personailty except in the most minute of ways) or go back to Origins style.

That's the thing with Geralt and I think Shephard (don't know. haven't played ME series ). They were established from the start to not be your character that you could roleplay from scratch.


But that doesn't mean voiced protagonists would always cause that. You just need to give the player more freedom and choice. And show, don't tell. Hawke could've been roleplayed a lot better if we had class-specific Origin stories, as well as the personality system not being dominant based but numerical tally based.

That wouldn't have made up for all of DA2's problems regarding roleplaying Hawke, but it would've made it easier to swallow since the game was rushed.

[Tirfan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


But that doesn't mean voiced protagonists would always cause that. You just need to give the player more freedom and choice. And show, don't tell. Hawke could've been roleplayed a lot better if we had class-specific Origin stories, as well as the personality system not being dominant based but numerical tally based.

I don't see how class-specific origin-stories would have helped. I go trough certain motions when I get into character, you know, adjust my own body language and all that jazz. With voiced protagonist, I can't do that. And a voice in itself restricts many things. There just is no way to give me the freedom I would need to really RP with a voiced protagonist. I tried with DA2 and failed miserably. That is why I have come to the conclusion that I hope the protagonist in DA3 is Cassandra, even though I hate her, we've seen something of her already and it seems many people like her, just write her well and like an actual character and I think I could handle playing as her.

[TEWR]

Tirfan wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


But that doesn't mean voiced protagonists would always cause that. You just need to give the player more freedom and choice. And show, don't tell. Hawke could've been roleplayed a lot better if we had class-specific Origin stories, as well as the personality system not being dominant based but numerical tally based.

I don't see how class-specific origin-stories would have helped. I go trough certain motions when I get into character, you know, adjust my own body language and all that jazz. With voiced protagonist, I can't do that. And a voice in itself restricts many things. There just is no way to give me the freedom I would need to really RP with a voiced protagonist. I tried with DA2 and failed miserably. That is why I have come to the conclusion that I hope the protagonist in DA3 is Cassandra, even though I hate her, we've seen something of her already and it seems many people like her, just write her well and like an actual character and I think I could handle playing as her.

Just because DA2 failed doesn't mean roleplaying a voiced protagonist will never work. DA2 was just an abysmal failure at trying to get it to work. But it's also different for the person. I guess a toggle for voice on and off should be implemented, but mouth movements should be kept.


I have my own reasons for being able to roleplay a voiced protagonist, which is a reason that nobody else shares. To avoid writing a long comment about it again, so suffice it to say it involves the story What Dreams May Come (for me really it involves the movie).


If you know a particular piece of the storyline of the movie, then my reasoning becomes clear. But it's a very odd reasoning I'll admit, one people probably would think was weird. But hey, I've always been weird!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[alex90c]

The reason I dislike a voiced protagonist is simply because of how risky it is; should you not like the voice available ("you" meaning me, lol) then you're basically screwed since you have to put up with it for the entire game. The game could be fantastic, but if you hate the way your character sounds, then well it's not going to be fun.

Linking in with that, since I like to do multiple playthroughs it feels hard to create "different" characters when they're voiced (unless multiple voices are available). I could make a gazillion Hawkes with each of them using a different personalities but they all feel the same because they sound the same, whereas while the Warden was silent it felt like they were all genuinely different people (minus the whole being a grey warden and being a brutally effective killing machine business) helped by the Origins and the way the game actually referenced each of the Origins you didn't play either through dialogue (dwarves at the proving talking about the casteless "brand") or codices (referring to how nobody survived Arl Howe's attack on Cousland Castle).

[Tirfan]

TEWR: I know, because DA2 showed me exactly why I can't get into character with a voiced protagonist, and there are things that I just can't overcome in the whole voiced-protagonist-setup as a roleplayer, I'm too old to learn new tricks. But, well, let's not go to this thing here, we have too many silent/voiced protagonist arguments going on all over the forums already.

Haven't heard of What Dreams May Come, I'll do researching when I get out of "work".

[CalJones]

Alex - I agree. I really liked male Hawke's voice (I remember when it was announced it was an actor from Origins, I was hoping it was Nicholas Boulton because I thought he had such a lovely voice as Ser Bryant).

However, I just cannot play as LadyHawke. I started off trying to play the sarcastic personality and whereas male Hawke sounds quite amusing, female Hawke just sounds like a (female dog). I wanted to punch her in the face before I'd even reached Kirkwall. Needless to say, I aborted that playthrough and went back to playing males.

Incidentally, I am female. I have no problem with playing males (in fact, I usually prefer it) but it's nice to have options.

[thenemesis1]

Filament wrote...

Darkspawn on motorcycles, make it happen BioWare.

LOL, and The Warden driving a big truck or the black car..the last of the V8s...lol.