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[Barquiel]

I hope he's just a mini-boss (like Vasir). Terrible character...

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Shepard has cybernetic implants and fights enemies that suffer from bad AI. Kai Leng ont he other hand miraculously kills at least 3 turians that had full armor and guns.

He knew where to hit them, how to take advantage of a situation, and he's a trained killer. Did you forget that? He's not just some average joe.

Whatever the case, I'm certain nothing will convince you and I don't care.

I find the books enjoyable. If you don't, that's fine. I'll admit the books aren't classy, they are video game tie-ins after all.

And the Turians were highly skilled as well, outnumbered him at least 3-1, had armor, and guns. Kai Leng is a killer but you would have to be a Geth prime to just win that fight the same way he did.

Though I guess nothing will convince you either so Im done.

Modifié par Quole, 09 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[Comsky159]

Kai Leng = James Vega. He infiltrates the ship and feeds information back to the illusive man.

[SovietCyborg]

With a bit of luck, he will be an optional replacement for James Vega. I'm sorry, but I don't need a noob encyclopedia.

[The Twilight God]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Kai Leng (the Cerberus assassin from ME:Retribution) has been confirmed for a while now as a character that will confront Shepard in ME3. Further, he showed up in the Game Informer Mass effect 3 cover story, and looks like a Dark Jedi of some sorts (and also fights as well as one, as he was an N7 agent and killed a Krogan in hand to hand combat, along with a squad of Turians). Kai Leng, also being part of the organization you will have to fight, Cerberus, and TIM's right hand man, sounds like he is going to have at the very least a mini boss like appearance.

So my question is, what do you think will be Kai Leng's significance in ME3? Will he just be another random dead body between you and the end of the game?Or will he be a better than Saren like nemesis that shows up throughout the game to thwart your efforts, and clash with you in a one on one fight between two very capable N7 marines who are ideologically polar opposites: Shepard versus Dark Shepard? Personally, I'm rooting for the later, as it would be a shame to have his awsomeness built up in retribution,, knocing out Anderson, killing a Reaper Avatar, and killing a bunch of turians, and being transformerd into an ME sith lord, only to have him be some random enemy. In any case, please share your oppinions on the matter.

See Also: Image of Kai Leng in ME3

http://t2.gstatic.co...JQpJ3GdrSGA&t=1

Kai Leng did not defeat the reaper avatar. Anderson took it down with a shotgun round in the back. Kai Leng simply fired two shots into the skull after it was down and dying. He killed a presumably unarmored krogan in a bar fight with a molecular blade which isn't that impressive for an N7. Let's not forget that if left with to his own merits he would have failed and been killed in Retribution. I'll give him points for physical fitness, the will to escape and survive. And I'm sure he's the best TIM has at his disposal, but he never quite seemed "Shepard level" badass to me.

[Ghost Warrior]

I liked his badass character and I would love to see him as one of the bosses in ME3,but not in that appearance,it's just awful.

[Luigitornado]

Quole wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Shepard has cybernetic implants and fights enemies that suffer from bad AI. Kai Leng ont he other hand miraculously kills at least 3 turians that had full armor and guns.

He knew where to hit them, how to take advantage of a situation, and he's a trained killer. Did you forget that? He's not just some average joe.

Whatever the case, I'm certain nothing will convince you and I don't care.

I find the books enjoyable. If you don't, that's fine. I'll admit the books aren't classy, they are video game tie-ins after all.

And the Turians were highly skilled as well, outnumbered him at least 3-1, had armor, and guns. Kai Leng is a killer but you would have to be a Geth prime to just win that fight the same way he did.

Though I guess nothing will convince you either so Im done.

Sometimes you need to shout your brain off and just enjoy what's happening. If you're still playing ME even after all its incosistinces and impossibleness then complaining about having one dude take down a small squad of Turians should be the least of your annoyances. 

I mean christ it's a video game (book) for crying out loud. I think you checked out on 100% believablity when you opened it up and started reading.

[The C Trayne]

personally im hoping to see more of the book characters show up in the game. We learn thta the fourth book will be mostly about a now adult gillian hunting TIM for revenge for killing her father... so that could play into the book.

as for kai... i would rather see an epic hand to hand cut scene fight instead of him as a mini boss because lets face it, that does nothing to show off the combat skills of either fighter... i want to see kai die in the most extraordinary way possible after a bad ass fight of course

[1136342t54_]

MisterJB wrote...
He punched and the Yahg punched back. Then they pushed each other.
Don't compare that to actually being good at hand to hand fighting.

I didn't I was using that as an example of Shepard's strength and durability. Combine that with N7 training and eventual experience in close quarters combat as a Spectre makes him a force to be reckoned with.

True but it's entirely possible that Shepard didn't do so well in unarmed combat as Leng.
 

Maybe but the whole point is that Shepard is at a point in his life where he can fight someone like Kai Leng and it won't be one sided for any of them.

Sorry, what?
You're refering to when Shepard knocks out Wrex?
Well, we know that Shepard has insane strength. Punching out two fully armored guards proves it.
But it's Shepard's strength versus Leng's speed and skill and it's possible that Leng has enhanced strength now as well. My money's on Leng.

Shepard isn't just strong or some brute who relies on strength. Like I've been saying Shepard has likely been pretty well trained in close quarters combat. Hell his speed and reflexes has been incredibly enhanced by the upgrades you can get and the Lazarus project. Shepard was already deadly and he had faced a Reaper enhanced foe before. Leng won't be a push over but Shepard would beat Leng.

Story Demands it. 

[1136342t54_]

Quole wrote...
And the Turians were highly skilled as well, outnumbered him at least 3-1, had armor, and guns. Kai Leng is a killer but you would have to be a Geth prime to just win that fight the same way he did. 

Though I guess nothing will convince you either so Im done.

The Turians were trained soldiers who were experienced in long range combat and some CQC when possible.  Kai Leng was once part of the N7 marines some of the best the Alliance has to offer. He also had extra training and experience fighting with Cerberus and in Assasinations. To be honest Kai Leng is supposed to be near the level of people llike Thane when it comes to close quarter fighting and to be honest if you give Thane a knife in that situation he would cut through those Turians like butter.

[1136342t54_]

The problem with Kai Leng's character is that they make incredibly human centric and out right xenophobic to other species for no real reason. I mean I can understand someone like George Saracino (I think thats his name) but this guy is an outright psychopath for no reason at all. They don't even explain it much so that we could even empathize with the character. In a way they make you outright hate him because of his pointless xenophobia.

[1136342t54_]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What reason does he need other than growing up on Earth and having xenophobic parents and peers in the military?

I like his xenophobia because it makes for interesting scenes to read, like when Aria spots him in Afterlife just by the way he avoids the aliens.

That's why I want him as a squadmate. He'd be a lot of fun.

He isn't really just xenophobic but psychotic about it. In some ways he's worse then TIM. At least TIM finds the useful ness in aliens. Kai Leng just would rather all of them be exterminated. Hell he takes great pleasure in killing them when ever he gets the chance.

Growing up racist or xenophobic is different. Even xenophobes have limits. Kai Leng's hate seem to be a mixture of his peers being xenophobes and something horrible happening to him.

Edit: Also Kai Leng was likely not a squad mate for either one or two reasons

1) He is to xenophobic to the point that working with aliens would cause him to jeopardize the mission.

2) Thane already fulfills his role as badass Assassin.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 09 juillet 2011 - 09:05 .

[1136342t54_]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thane isn't going to be a squadmate so point 2 is irrelevant. Point 1 is up in the air. As I said I think his xenophobia is precisely why he should be a squadmate. He would add some internal conflict for Shepard's side, which is needed. It's fun.

I'm talking about ME2. If Kai Leng could have been a squadmate it would have been during ME2 when Cerberus wasn't trying to kill you.

As for his xenophobia and its origins, who knows. It could be that the krogan incident is what made him a xenophobe. The krogan picked a fight with him and save face the Alliance railroaded him behind bars. That might be the source of his hatred.

That wouldn't make much sense. It was on Omega the ****** pot of the Galaxy, No one really likes Krogan and unless the krogan was Aria's lover there would be no point in the Alliance trying to save face. Also plenty of humans have killed aliens and got screwed over by them in worse ways hell Zaeed is a good example of that and he doesn't really care what race you are as long as you don't ****** him off.

There would have to be a better explanation for his psychopathic tendencies towards Aliens if he will be someone like Saren. Saren's xenophobia is understandable and he was already pretty much an **** to everyone even before his brother died.

[JamieCOTC]

He's Space Zevran!  Complete w/ s/s option. 

or

ME3's version of Miranda.

Kai Leng: Shepard did everything wrong ... (no matter what Shepard did). 

or

He'll slit Liara's throat, bust Garrus's cranium and say mean things to Tali, thereby decimating Shepard's alien crew members. 





Seriously, I'm hoping he will be a mini-boss ala Calo Nord. 

[DCarter]

Pretty sure Shep would rip his head off in a one on one fight.

[The Twilight God]

JamieCOTC wrote...

He's Space Zevran!  Complete w/ s/s option. 

or

ME3's version of Miranda.

Kai Leng: Shepard did everything wrong ... (no matter what Shepard did). 

or

He'll slit Liara's throat, bust Garrus's cranium and say mean things to Tali, thereby decimating Shepard's alien crew members. 





Seriously, I'm hoping he will be a mini-boss ala Calo Nord. 

He could just be another Legion.

Kai Leng: Cerberus is nuts, yo! They're all indoctrinated. TIM isn't indoctrinated and he sent me to help you.

[George-Kinsill]

JamieCOTC wrote...

He's Space Zevran!  Complete w/ s/s option. 

or

ME3's version of Miranda.

Kai Leng: Shepard did everything wrong ... (no matter what Shepard did). 

or

He'll slit Liara's throat, bust Garrus's cranium and say mean things to Tali, thereby decimating Shepard's alien crew members. 





Seriously, I'm hoping he will be a mini-boss ala Calo Nord. 

Kai Leng insulting Tali? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If this happens, I'm canceling my preorder of ME3.

[George-Kinsill]

The Twilight God wrote...

Kai Leng did not defeat the reaper avatar. Anderson took it down with a shotgun round in the back. Kai Leng simply fired two shots into the skull after it was down and dying. He killed a presumably unarmored krogan in a bar fight with a molecular blade which isn't that impressive for an N7. Let's not forget that if left with to his own merits he would have failed and been killed in Retribution. I'll give him points for physical fitness, the will to escape and survive. And I'm sure he's the best TIM has at his disposal, but he never quite seemed "Shepard level" badass to me.

I'm pretty sure that Kai Leng landed the final blow, but yeah, Anderson did most of the work, almost getting torn apart by a powerful Reaper biotic warp, so I guess Kai Leng is sort of a douch for stealing someone else's kill (another reason why I want to fight him, as I HATE it when people steal my kills).

As for Shepard level bad @ssery, yeah, Kai Leng can't compare to Shepard in his previous form, but if the concept art stays similar, and Kai Leng is modified with Reaper tech (or someother cyborg tech, as he clearly isn't just a normal human anymore) then he may be good enough to be a decent nemisis, although you are right, no one is as awsome as Shepard.

[AerisBru]

It would be nice to have a squadmate that HATES Shepard (no, pricks like Jack in the beggining of ME2 doesn't count, since she never hated Shepard). He would be unique. Since they have similar ages, they might even know each other and have a rivalry since their N7 training. He would help with the mission just because there's no other choice, but hating the Alliance, hating all the aliens and most of all, hating Shepard - specially Paragon Shepard, who represents everything he despises.

He would be an amazing squadmate. And an amazing rival. Nah, I really like him, I hope he gets a strong role in the story in any way.

[Sjaddix]

Him as a squadmate would be hilarious especially if u had Sanders as well that would be hilarious.

[1136342t54_]

Having to rely on someone who hates you isn't the best thing. Its not like Rivalry in DA2. If Kai Leng hates shepard and got the opportunity to kill he/she without anyone else noticing he would.

[khordlambert]

Wanting a murderous xenophobic psychopath as a team mate in a team filled to the nines with aliens. Honestly, some of you Cerberus cheerleaders make the Darwin award winners look like underachievers in bad decisions.