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[O Tucker]

i grew up in the 90s and early 2000 ..... some people i know are better than what we were..But most people are most.. i think its the parents thats the problem to be honest as i have fantastic parents who have always looked out for me.. i see 5 year olds on the street on there own with out any parents at all

[lobi]

88mphSlayer wrote...

i think you're thinking of the 60's

the 70's was all about drug-induced music & movies, fuel shortages, and malaise

And bad Architecture and worse art.

[foogoo]

Side effect of technology

[Warheadz]

Thanks for the feedback, people. I appreciate it.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.” - Helsiod.

Youth. Hopeless since the 8th Century B.C.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 09 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[HiddenKING]

We won't know the contributions (if any) of this generation until 30, 40 years from now. He have to do what we feel is right, and hope it brings change.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I think I read about texts from two thousand years ago complaining about how the youth were corrupted and lazy.

It's a matter of perspective, I think. Nostalgia for days gone by, coupled with a lack of understanding for the ways of expression of younger generations - these are not new things.

As for "this generation" protesting and being active, we've just had the "Arab spring" driven by protests of young people - we've seen "anonymous" protests of scientology reaching a lot of people, and we see an organization like avaaz using public activism, protests and petitions to achieve quite excellent results across the world.

The activism is there to be found, if you look for it.

In general though, it takes some grand unifying event, or purpose, to motivate people to act in large numbers. When such an event or purpose comes along, as it tends to periodically in human history, the generations of the time tend to rise to the challenge.

[C9316]

I blame the 60's, decreasing emphasis on personal responsibility, more technology, and crappy parents.

[vometia]

O Tucker wrote...

i grew up in the 90s and early 2000 ..... some people i know are better than what we were..But most people are most.. i think its the parents thats the problem to be honest as i have fantastic parents who have always looked out for me.. i see 5 year olds on the street on there own with out any parents at all

I'm not really sure what's the problem with that: it was fairly common for kids of all ages to play without constant supervision in the '70s and before, but seeing the way that many kids are kept on a tight leash by paranoid parents these days, it really can't be good for them.  I can't imagine things are significantly less safe than they were 30 or 40 years ago, and there wasn't an epidemic of kids getting lost, injured, abducted etc back then: they simply had far more freedom.  And, curiously enough, managed to keep out of trouble...

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@lobi
Can you be more specific? I like old schools of art and artitecture (15th-19th centuries). So what is the worst part of 70s in art?

[Volus Warlord]

The flaws of this generation are simply repackaged flaws of our fathers. Our flaws only seem extreme because they have spent so much time rationalizing their own.

That being said, I do to some extent enjoy seeing blatant idiocy of the masses. More money for me! Let them be stupid. Let them follow their blind notions, their poor excuses for leaders, and the woeful idiocy that is idealism. They may be stupid enough to trust me with their money and livelihoods, which I will systematically strip from them as a means to bolster my wealth and hunger for money and power..

As a side notion, I've been looking around for a country that I can enter, live about 5 years, and seize control of via military coup/economic monopolization combo. I think I'd enjoy being head of state for some time. And I'd probably retire wealthier than if I stayed in America. If I don't get assassinated.

[KenKenpachi]

Volus Warlord wrote...

The flaws of this generation are simply repackaged flaws of our fathers. Our flaws only seem extreme because they have spent so much time rationalizing their own.

That being said, I do to some extent enjoy seeing blatant idiocy of the masses. More money for me! Let them be stupid. Let them follow their blind notions, their poor excuses for leaders, and the woeful idiocy that is idealism. They may be stupid enough to trust me with their money and livelihoods, which I will systematically strip from them as a means to bolster my wealth and hunger for money and power..

As a side notion, I've been looking around for a country that I can enter, live about 5 years, and seize control of via military coup/economic monopolization combo. I think I'd enjoy being head of state for some time. And I'd probably retire wealthier than if I stayed in America. If I don't get assassinated.

Hmm try Singapore, they are very open to immigration (with 50% of the nation being such) have no cultural norms and a good amount of them speak English. Or some lawless **** hole in Africa, come with guns they'll let you stay.


On a side note its funny to note with the Arab spring Movement, that all the youth who protested for the most arn't the ones set to hold power, so much as the other factions that sat quitely in the majority. Such as is the Case with the Brotherhood in Egypt. Proving that slogans and songs are nice, but at the end of the day its the man with the most guns in the top seat. That and one old saying comes to mind "Meet the New Boss, same as the old Boss."

And technically, over personal issues governments today do have far more control, yet at the same time have lost alot of the more nationalist powers (such as a draft) that they had in the past.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:19 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

History has its ups and downs, the eternal struggle of chaos and order. We're going downwards currently .. caused by many factors, I've mentiened some of them eairlier. Now I'm talking like Herder!

[Volus Warlord]

KenKenpachi wrote...

*snip*

Hmm try Singapore, they are very open to immigration (with 50% of the nation being such) have no cultural norms and a good amount of them speak English. Or some lawless **** hole in Africa, come with guns they'll let you stay.


On a side note its funny to note with the Arab spring Movement, that all the youth who protested for the most arn't the ones set to hold power, so much as the other factions that sat quitely in the majority. Such as is the Case with the Brotherhood in Egypt. Proving that slogans and songs are nice, but at the end of the day its the man with the most guns in the top seat. That and one old saying comes to mind "Meet the New Boss, same as the old Boss."

And technically, over personal issues governments today do have far more control, yet at the same time have lost alot of the more nationalist powers (such as a draft) that they had in the past.

Hmm. This I am not too sure about. First off, I'd prefer something with more land and natural resources to exploit. City states are so.. small.

Oh yes, and there are other ways to maintain power than guns my friend.  Rather than force courses of action on people, simply tell them to do so in a nice way over and over again through the media.  Why have guns when there is TV?

[Lakhi]

The perception of generational disparity comes with the fact that the social paradigms for what we have/had are worlds apart from the 60's, 70's and even the 80's. Coupled with the fact that there is a trend in today's youth that drives the instant gratification scheme the issues just seem to compound. That being said, not everyone falls into the set 90's child group. Contrary to popular opinion, most of us do have lives and make effort to contribute. As for the general lack of political self acuity I think it has more to do with the fact that at least 40-50% of the current generation are essentially cynics that get by day to day with a very troll-like attitude, granted these are just my opinions based on the people I know at college so *shrug*

[Beocat]

vometia wrote...

I'm not really sure what's the problem with that: it was fairly common for kids of all ages to play without constant supervision in the '70s and before, but seeing the way that many kids are kept on a tight leash by paranoid parents these days, it really can't be good for them.  I can't imagine things are significantly less safe than they were 30 or 40 years ago, and there wasn't an epidemic of kids getting lost, injured, abducted etc back then: they simply had far more freedom.  And, curiously enough, managed to keep out of trouble...

Exactly.  While some control of your kids is good, if you don't let them grow up on their own, they'll stay whiny little children forever   

[MinotaurWarrior]

mrcrusty wrote...

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.” - Helsiod.

Youth. Hopeless since the 8th Century B.C.

Yeah, here's the thing. Hesiod (I assume the l was a typo) was a man above all others, and possibly the same person as Homer. He's the first economist in terms of being the first guy to realize, "hey, maybe I should sit down and seriously think about the general principles governing the exchange of goods and services," a riddiculously huge epiphany. He was also an oral poet, and while that tradition didn't die out in the generation after him, that's hugely impressive. He memorized entire books worth of annoyingly complex greek poetry. The generation after him? Quite possibly significantly less impressive than the one that produced such a titan.

There's a similar quote from Socrates, who lived to see misguided former students of his lead a Spartan-backed coup against Athenian democracy to instal themselves as tyrants. He had really good reason to believe the next generation was going to mess everything up.

At one point in history, a bunch of Republican Romans were raising their children, only later to discover that those kids were going to fight for Julius Caesar to install him as dictator for life. They may have been dissapointed in the social values of their kids (though things were pretty messed up right before JC took power, what with the social wars and everything).

The generation that saw the rise of the second Reich, German unification, and a successful war against the powers that had kept them in chaos for hundreds of years (Franco-Prussian war) saw their grand children become ****s. A similar story goes on in Italy (though I'm geussing all the 1848ers were long dead before fascism really took hold).

Basically my point is, some generations really did suck. I doubt modern western youth are going to install a dictator for life, oligarchy, or anything like that, but you can't just point to some old quote chiding contemporary youth as evidence that all criticisms of youth are unfounded.

[Maria Caliban]

Joshd21 wrote...

We used to be cool back in the 70s and do protest, it was about peace and law. What happended to us?

What generation are you referring to?

Slidell505 wrote...

Every generation thinks the generation before them was better.

You mean every generation thinks the one after them is worse than them. If people thought their parents were better then them, you wouldn't see teenage rebellion. In fact, the Baby Boomers and Gen Xers, as a group, thought the previous generation sucked bigtime.

88mphSlayer wrote...

i think you're thinking of the 60's

the 70's was all about drug-induced music & movies, fuel shortages, and malaise

"If you remember the 70s, you weren't really there."

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:49 .

[Beerfish]

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

[upsettingshorts]

In the history of humanity there has never been a generation that doesn't distrust the one that came before and resent the one after.

They are not special.