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[Rockworm503]

Beerfish wrote...

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

Wanna prove that?
Read Number one and realize why I'm calling BS
http://www.cracked.c...cally-b.s..html

Modifié par Rockworm503, 09 juillet 2011 - 06:18 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

Wanna prove that?
Read Number one and realize why I'm calling BS
http://www.cracked.c...cally-b.s..html

That was actually a good article! Thanks.

It's comforting to know that even back in the day, most people listened to bull crap, while the good stuff went under the radar.

[Rockworm503]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

Wanna prove that?
Read Number one and realize why I'm calling BS
http://www.cracked.c...cally-b.s..html

That was actually a good article! Thanks.

It's comforting to know that even back in the day, most people listened to bull crap, while the good stuff went under the radar.

THe point of it is that the good has been mixed with the crap back then and its the same today.

[nijnij]

I'm not worried by the fact that kids today aren't trying to save the world so much as that they're cynical, close-minded and individualistic. I'm 23 and I have livelier conversations with my 88 year old grandfather than with folks from my generation.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The world became worse in the era of Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Darwin for the fall of moralism and praise of militarism. Then other thing added to them ... and finally from bad parents and careless governments, breeds the social crisis of 60s.
In the realm of Music we have few good composers in 20th century compared to 19th and 18th centuries. Nothing can beat Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Dvořák, Sibelius collection of pure music (even in the next 2 centuries of 3rd millenium at least!).

[Agamo45]

The current generations fall far short of the bar set by the Greatest Generation (which saved the free world from fascism and tyranny) or the later generations which brought about the collapse of communism. We still have men and women who are willing to do what must be done, but now they're being called murderers by a bunch of filthy hippies, and worst of all they can get away with it. Don't even get me started on the new hip-hop "culture" that is infesting our society.

[Beerfish]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

Wanna prove that?
Read Number one and realize why I'm calling BS
http://www.cracked.c...cally-b.s..html

Eh?  Prove something that is a matter of opinion?  That article basically says that there was crap music in every era thus music has not gotten worse.  I'll say that there is less good, great or imaginative music as the years have rolled on and that music that is viewed as 'good' these days is crap compared to the good or medium music of other eras.  You could use the same debate for video games, opinions or eras and the quality of then vs now.

[Homebound]

i think whats wrong with this generation is people have lost all integrity that telling the truth has now become a revolutionary act.

[mousestalker]

According to one source, the kids are alright.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I've been listening to the latest episode of Hardcore History today, which is the last part in a series on the Roman republic and it's fall (the last episode is almost five and a half hours long! ), and I find it funny how apparently in Caesar's time, there was a youth movement not unlike some in our more recent history - very reminiscient of hippies, or beatnics, and apparently Caesar himself, in his youth, started some of the fashions associated with it. 

They wore their togas more losely, and sported goatees, cared little for the traditional values of their elders, were all about living in the moment, got drunk and danced naked on tables in parties.

You can almost hear the older generation of Caesar's time going "Damn hippies, get off my lawn!"

[Volus Warlord]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I've been listening to the latest episode of Hardcore History today, which is the last part in a series on the Roman republic and it's fall (the last episode is almost five and a half hours long! ), and I find it funny how apparently in Caesar's time, there was a youth movement not unlike some in our more recent history - very reminiscient of hippies, or beatnics, and apparently Caesar himself, in his youth, started some of the fashions associated with it. 

They wore their togas more losely, and sported goatees, cared little for the traditional values of their elders, were all about living in the moment, got drunk and danced naked on tables in parties.

You can almost hear the older generation of Caesar's time going "Damn hippies, get off my lawn!"

The more things change, the more they stay the same

[Johnson45]

Hey, come on man we protest, students protested in England over the University fees! (... it didn't go well.)

[MinotaurWarrior]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I've been listening to the latest episode of Hardcore History today, which is the last part in a series on the Roman republic and it's fall (the last episode is almost five and a half hours long! ), and I find it funny how apparently in Caesar's time, there was a youth movement not unlike some in our more recent history - very reminiscient of hippies, or beatnics, and apparently Caesar himself, in his youth, started some of the fashions associated with it. 

They wore their togas more losely, and sported goatees, cared little for the traditional values of their elders, were all about living in the moment, got drunk and danced naked on tables in parties.

You can almost hear the older generation of Caesar's time going "Damn hippies, get off my lawn!"

But here's the thing, if I was Caesar's dad, I'd have very good reason to be pissed at my bearded half-dressed son, because as it turned out my son was destined to destroy the Republic and take the first steps towards tranforming it into an empire.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there have been plenty of generations that introduced fashion changes without increasing the levels of oppression in their society, and the general trend in the western world right now is that each generation makes their society more free, but some generations really do royally screw things up, and some generations really are just way more awe inspiring than those that proceed or follow them. Generationalism isn't an entirely baseless bias.

[TheMufflon]

mousestalker wrote...

According to one source, the kids are alright.

I have received some conflicting information stating that the kids aren't, in fact, alright.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

A couple of words for your crap generation from the present generation. We made Planescape: Torment, Fallout, Alpha Centauri, and Grim Fandango. If we ever have to show our superiority as a people to the aliens, I vote that we send them a copy of Planescape: Torment and a computer that runs Windows XP.

[The Baconer]

Smells like a hipster topic.

[bmwcrazy]

I blame the parents.

[Boiny Bunny]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'll tell ya one thing, for the most part music has gotten progressively worse.

Wanna prove that?
Read Number one and realize why I'm calling BS
http://www.cracked.c...cally-b.s..html

That made for an interesting read - I'm inclined to agree with #1 for the most part - but I still feel that music nowadays is rubbish.  The article does indeed make the fair point that if you listen to a classic rock station, you will only hear the best of the era - that's absolutely fair enough.  I simply don't feel that the highs or the lows of this generation match the highs or lows of previous generations however (those that I have lived through, and actually heard the highs and the lows of as they've come and gone, that is to say).  There seems to be less and less natural talent every day - with female singers now resorting to stripping on stage or fake lesbianism for attention, and half of the new talent masking their utter lack of real singing talent by using auto-tune.

[slimgrin]

Trolls are wrong with this generation. kill this crap already.

[Chromie]

I think this sums up every generation.

[AlanC9]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
That made for an interesting read - I'm inclined to agree with #1 for the most part - but I still feel that music nowadays is rubbish.  The article does indeed make the fair point that if you listen to a classic rock station, you will only hear the best of the era - that's absolutely fair enough.  I simply don't feel that the highs or the lows of this generation match the highs or lows of previous generations however (those that I have lived through, and actually heard the highs and the lows of as they've come and gone, that is to say).  There seems to be less and less natural talent every day - with female singers now resorting to stripping on stage or fake lesbianism for attention, and half of the new talent masking their utter lack of real singing talent by using auto-tune.

Hmmm.... what do you consider the current highs? Or lows? And exactly who are those female singers and auto-tuners you mention? Aren't they the same sort of hack acts that article says are typical of every era?

From what I hear I figure there's about as much talent as there's ever been, maybe more. I'd trade Arcade Fire for Led Zeppelin straight-up.

Edit: that wasn't fair. I've never really been a Zep fan; back in the day I was more with the Who. It's not very far from Ben Gibbard to Pete Townshend, is it?

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 juillet 2011 - 06:03 .

[Boiny Bunny]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hmmm.... what do you consider the current highs? Or lows?

Yes, that's the crux of it really, isn't it?  The appreciation of music is (almost) entirely subjective.  It is entirely possible for one person to believe the quality is deteriorating over time, whilst another feels it has never been better.

My own personal highs and lows through the various eras aren't really relevant for that reason.  Suffice to say, and perhaps I should have phrased things more this way originally, to my tastes, the quality of music has deteriorated over time.

[Mastermadskills]

What happened to us?

The answer is simple:

The moral fabric of the world is ripping apart at every seam.  Parents no longer teach the proper morals, values, and virtues.  People are disregarding virtues, values, and morals more and more, and this is the downfall of the world.  Family member is turning on family member, friend upon friend.

It is very sad and difficult to see, but if the moral and ethical fabric of the USA (and indeed the world) is not restored, we will see calamity after calamity.

[Weiser_Cain]

Things are less racist these days, you can keep the 70's.