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[Tommyspa]

The only conclusion I can draw is it's either a true Tevinter Magister turned into a darkspawn, which means the chantry is hiding something with it's first darkspawn story because that 800 year gap between the first darkspawn and the birth of the conductor here is problematic. Or darkspawn really are just that old and the dwarves were right about saying the chantry is full of crap and the darkspawn really did come out of the earth (both wrong imo.) I believe the magisters made the darkspawn through their deviant rituals with all that hot blood magic lovin'.

What if it was sealed by a "Magister Hawke” long ago that needs the blood of a Hawke? (blood magic obviously) Which raises the possibility for Malcolm to have a reason for going to Kirkwall in the first place. Was he a runaway warden like Anders? I don't think so, but he was involved with the wardens somehow because why else would the "the blood of Malcolm Hawke" be used in dialogue. They knew about Malcolm and kept tabs on the Hawke lineage since finding out about the conductor being imprisoned (whether it be the wardens that know this or the carta. Another point why is the carta involved here?) That being said the prison was built by the wardens, wardens were formed 1200 years ago, the conductor was imprisoned 2000 years ago. When was the full prison built? It has to have been added on once the wardens were informed about the conductor by Tevinter right?

Anyway, which means the wardens had to have a source (in my theory it’s a Tevinter/warden connection) that told them about this ancient darkspawn, and perhaps they could not break the seal to kill it "Hawke blood" and all. This could be a choice here, kill the conductor, side with the conductor or force the conductor back to imprisonment. Maybe the conductor is a Hawke ancestor if the magisters made them, or at least made by a Hawke magister, perhaps then that could be the dark secret that the Hawke line is responsible for the darkspawn's existence in some way.

Analyze me.

Modifié par Tommyspa, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:06 .

[Marduksdragon]

Hrm... Magister Hawke, responsible for the Darkspawn... that's a very interesting thought...

[TEWR]

Parthalan was originally described as being an ancestor of Hawke who helped to unite Ferelden under Calenhad, but now he's been described as a Tevinter Magister.


Unless the Tevinter Magister (who could fit in with part of your theory OP) had heirs who eventually named their child Parthalan in remembrance of him. And Malcolm Hawke was a descendant of that Parthalan.

[Kaiser Shepard]

It's Gamlen.

[mesmerizedish]

The Conductor is actually Parthalan.

Also, I'll bet we find out in the DLC.

[TEWR]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


Also, I'll bet we find out in the DLC.

now what gave you that crazy idea?

[Tommyspa]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


Also, I'll bet we find out in the DLC.

now what gave you that crazy idea?

Lies and Blasphemy!

[Lethys1]

The secret is: the sibling that died in the first scene was addicted to drugs.

[HSHAW]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
If I cannot leave with you; I will leave through you! I seek the light! --- The Conductor

This is an interesting quote, will it be possible to let him go or will we simply be given 3 different ways to say "no, you die now"?

[Tails_Night]

INteresting theory, or maybe the warden and hawke share a common ancestor... who (besides flemeth) knows?
BUt It actually makes sense when you pair a lot of the information in the coexes up.

[HSHAW]

Tails_Night wrote...

INteresting theory, or maybe the warden and hawke share a common ancestor... who (besides flemeth) knows?
BUt It actually makes sense when you pair a lot of the information in the coexes up.

Considering the multiple origins of the warden this is highly unlikely.

[TEWR]

HSHAW wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
If I cannot leave with you; I will leave through you! I seek the light! --- The Conductor

This is an interesting quote, will it be possible to let him go or will we simply be given 3 different ways to say "no, you die now"?

I hope I can let him live. I'm beginning to really love his voice.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Parthalan was originally described as being an ancestor of Hawke who helped to unite Ferelden under Calenhad, but now he's been described as a Tevinter Magister.

Why can't he be both? Ferelden was occupied by the Imperium for a while. It's not improbable that some magisters or civilians stayed behind or possibly even helped Andraste (openly or otherwise), just like some Orlesians did during the Orlesian occupation (eg. Isolde).

[Rifneno]

HSHAW wrote...

Tails_Night wrote...

INteresting theory, or maybe the warden and hawke share a common ancestor... who (besides flemeth) knows?
BUt It actually makes sense when you pair a lot of the information in the coexes up.

Considering the multiple origins of the warden this is highly unlikely.

Not really.  We know that the human mage origin is definitely related (and fairly closely at that) to Hawke.  Couslands would be easy to connect if they wanted to.  Elves... well, it's not a pleasant thought but humans rape elves all the time.  If the half-elf stayed with the clan or in the alienage, I'm sure their descendants would get the ears back as their blood became more and more diluted with elven blood.  The dwarven origins would be the only ones that *might* be a stretch, but since all it takes to connect is a drunken one night stand (and "drunken" is redundant when speaking of dwarves) across countless generations, it's certainly feasible.

I'm thinking the dark Hawke family secret involves Carver and a Lothering farm, but that's just me.  ...  Okay, seriously though, what are the odds Malcolm is alive?  Like 50/50?

[Sajuro]

The secret is that the Hawkes are the only ones to ever figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsy pop.
The secret is that no one loves Carver (just kidding, that's no secret)

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

The books do hint that Grey Wardens do turn into darkspawn when a warden goes to their calling so darkspawn are created two ways through broodmothers and when wardens go to their calling. The evil first enchanter of the circle and the Architect found a way in the second book to speed up the process. So it appears that Hawke has the possibility of two ancestors being:

1. A former Trevinter Magister
2. A former Grey Warden

We know that the blood of a warden is powerful and many will kill wardens to get it. I also found it interesting in DA2 the potion of purity that allows Hawke to fight darkspawn allowing him/her to deal more damage to a darkspawn. Add in some darkspawn blood and the blood of an Archdemon and is this the formula for the joining? According to Alistair, Grey Wardens become sterile when becoming a warden and only a female elf warden (Fiona) has ever given birth in the story. But, Sophia Dryden counters this story line if Sophia Dryden was actually Levi Dryden's great, great, great grandmother. Her codex entries say she was made a Grey Warden very early in her life, just like any female Grey Warden from Origins. It appears to me the darkspawn want reproduction technology.

I've also had the impression from the first game that Flemeth herself might have been a Grey Warden when Duncan says only a Grey Warden could break the seal on that chest that the treaties were susposed to be in within the Kocari Wilds. Did Flemeth break the seal or did magic fade. Once again I think this was a lie. We know now from the new video and dlc that even powerful magic fades, but I think the demon/darkspawn was lying. The Keeper in Merril's quest broke the demon out. I'm beginning to think that wasn't Justice from Awakening but a demon from the fade that tricked Anders. I think the Demon just called himself Justice and took advantage of Anders. Or Justice was a demon all along when we meet up with him in the fade in Awakening. We know that demons lie. What if this new Conductor is actually the Architect? If you side with the Architect in Awakening you do have a convo with the mother. She also uses some type of magic and poofs him out of the scene. So what if the Architect was the actually the conductor's spirit? I can see this happening.

Wynne says something interesting when you first meet her at Ostagar. She said there is a connection between darkspawn and the fade and she gives an evasive answer, so mages or senior enchanters know more than they are saying in regards to darkspawn and we also know from joining the order in the first game that a senior enchanter has to prepare the joining cup, but in Awakening they allowed Seneschal Varel to do this. Unless he was an apostate mage? Howe did have alot of Blood Mages running around with him. Mages in the Circles seem to study alot of the known records and lore from throughout Thedas from all cultures.

The Imperium was a massive empire. I think somewhere in the game it mentions in dialogue or a codex entry that many of the secrets of Trevinter haven't been found. So there is alot more lore to find on Trevinter.

I think it might be possible that the magisters of Trevinter might have created the darkspawn when they stormed the Golden City, so I agree with the op that it's a possibility. The Chantry says the Maker turned them into darkspawn in so doing maybe those in the fade with him were corrupted - his first children. Maybe the Maker was corrupted along with everything else and this is why the world hasn't heard from him? This does make sense. We already know the ritual went wrong and the Chantry may not know the whole truth of the matter, they could be lying or just lack of Trevinter records and knowledge.

It's also interesting in WH that the Maker is said to be somewhere beyond the fade. This was where Morrigan was headed. The OGB is also somewhere beyond the fade. Morrigan controls the Maker she controls the world and Flemeth through her son. Not unless Morrigan is going to inhabit her own son.

If I'm not mistaken in watching the new video that dwarf is the same one from the Last of His Line Quest. This quest only comes up if you put Behlen on the throne. So I see the dwarf being Reginald Harrowmont and he made a deal with this new darkspawn to bring him Malcom Hawke's son/daughter for Hawke's blood. Possibly to get the demons power to retake the Orzammar throne. We've seen through Sebastians's quest that Lady Harriman also made a deal with a desire demon to take the throne of Starkhaven. We've also seen in the second game that demons can fool or trick anyone and even those who aren't mages to achieve their goals. I don't recall right off hand the counter quest for this if you put Harrowmount on the throne instead. Or the dwarf is just a carta member from Orzammar. Maybe the carta wants information on the Valdasine Thaig or Primal Thaig or someway to control Behlen or Harrowmont.

[jmadsen]

family secret = hawkes father was bisexual

[Sons of Horus]

jmadsen wrote...

family secret = hawkes father was Darkspawnsexual

Corrected it .

[TEWR]

Sons of Horus wrote...

jmadsen wrote...

family secret = hawkes father was everythingsexual

Corrected it .

fix'd.

[Foolsfolly]

There's a dark Hawke family secret?

...

...sure, why not. The Hawke family needs something to spice them up. This is better than nothing.

[TEWR]

At least Leandra will have some dialogue if she's alive. Now I can actually feel more of a connection to her when she dies!


I shouldn't need to pay money for that, but I don't care. I'm buying the DLC for Corypheus, my Darkspawn bro.

[Sajuro]

They all had breast implants?

[TEWR]

Well Carver is a whiny little b****


So it works!

[Macropodmum]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

According to Alistair, Grey Wardens become sterile when becoming a warden and only a female elf warden (Fiona) has ever given birth in the story. But, Sophia Dryden counters this story line if Sophia Dryden was actually Levi Dryden's great, great, great grandmother. Her codex entries say she was made a Grey Warden very early in her life, just like any female Grey Warden from Origins. 

From memory Alistair didn't say it was impossible, but merely more difficult (during his chat with you prior to becoming queen) and one of the wardens responses was along the lines of "Well we will have to practice more then"

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

 What if this new Conductor is actually the Architect? If you side with the Architect in Awakening you do have a convo with the mother. She also uses some type of magic and poofs him out of the scene. So what if the Architect was the actually the conductor's spirit? I can see this happening. 

I think the timeline would be out for this to happen, for starters the conductor has been locked up for 2000 years, and the architect was the one that started the blight, which was the reason you ended up in Kirkwall.

[DRTJR]

Though it leads credence to the Mother, the Architect and the Conductor being former Tevinter magisters