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[devilsgrin]

Rifneno wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

I did in fact read where you addressed the issue. However, what your missing is that the child of an Elf and Human, is NOT a half-elf. He or She is a HUMAN. And ONLY a human.
To use another BioWare example... the Asari. The other partner is almost irrevelevent, its only the Asari that matters in their reproduction, and ONLY an Asari is born. For elves its the opposite. Whether father or mother, the elf is irrelevent in determining what is born, as its always - with a human at least - a Human. (we have no real information regarding elf-dwarf offspring, but considering elven nature, anything less that a Dwarf would be a surprise).
The elves lost all of their racial traits (aside from the ears and height, and a human shared propensity for magic) within a very short timespan once humans came into SOCIAL contact with them, let alone reproductive contact. They're genetic structure must be very different from a human genome. My guess would be its due to some sort of lack of genetic diversity amongst elves which weakens it to the point where a human, with a much higher rate of diversity has complete genetic dominance over the elven. Meaning that no matter how many times an elf-blooded human re-breeds the elf into their bloodline, they will not become elves again... they are forever human.

And you're getting this where? Unless a dev specifically stated it, and stated it with as much vehemency as you (i.e. that NO elven DNA remains not just that half elf and half human children appear human), I don't buy it. There's no way reliable information on such a topic exists in-game.

the devs have said this - and i believe in a direct response to a "why no half-elves question?" iirc it was david gaider, alas, its late, so i lack the inclination to hunt it down a link. i may be para-phrasing but i believe the quote was "the product of a human and an elf is always a human."

[Sajuro]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's more evidence to point to the Dwarves being the reason than the Magisters.



Also, the reason for the Darkspawn should be obvious.


A wizard did it!

Fixed that for you

[HSHAW]

Sajuro wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's more evidence to point to the Dwarves being the reason than the Magisters.



Also, the reason for the Darkspawn should be obvious.


A mage did it!

Fixed that for you

fix'd again.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Macropodmum wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

According to Alistair, Grey Wardens become sterile when becoming a warden and only a female elf warden (Fiona) has ever given birth in the story. But, Sophia Dryden counters this story line if Sophia Dryden was actually Levi Dryden's great, great, great grandmother. Her codex entries say she was made a Grey Warden very early in her life, just like any female Grey Warden from Origins. 

From memory Alistair didn't say it was impossible, but merely more difficult (during his chat with you prior to becoming queen) and one of the wardens responses was along the lines of "Well we will have to practice more then"

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

 What if this new Conductor is actually the Architect? If you side with the Architect in Awakening you do have a convo with the mother. She also uses some type of magic and poofs him out of the scene. So what if the Architect was the actually the conductor's spirit? I can see this happening. 

I think the timeline would be out for this to happen, for starters the conductor has been locked up for 2000 years, and the architect was the one that started the blight, which was the reason you ended up in Kirkwall.

I think Alistair says it will be extremely difficult for him to have a child with a woman who isn't a Grey Warden and nearly impossible for him and a female Grey Warden to have a child.  I know about the response since I've made a few of my characters the Queen of Ferelden.  The lead writer has also said that Alistair will never have a child unless they change their mind and allow it.  There is a discussion thread on the forum about this.  Alistair is only going to be a father in fan fiction.

The scene I'm talking about with the Mother is when you side with the Architect.  The mother uses some type of magic and removes him from the scene.  Also, before you enter the nest, the Architect tells you that he will be in spirit form to confront the mother.  Maybe he is in spirit form all the time and his spirit is that of the Conductor.  If the Architect is actually a spirit, it doesn't mess up the timeline.  The timeline and time would be irrevelant to the game and a spirit.  The Architect also took blood from the Warden Commander.....so where is that vial of blood from the Warden Commander?

The darkspawn were created in the fade and thrown out of the fade by the Maker according to the first cutscene when you first start DAO plus codex entries, and even one of Leliana's bard tales.  The Arch demons were imprisoned underground, so are these two seperate events?

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:34 .

[DKJaigen]

HSHAW wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why can't Darkspawn originate from Magisters entering the Golden City/Black City? No one has ever ventured there, even the spirits of the Fade avoid that place. It may not be the Maker who created the Darkspawn, but the Black City itself, can be involved.

The Conductor (another intelligent darkspawn) being in thedas a few hundred years before the magisters went near the black city makes it unlikely that the darkspawn are the magisters' fault.

If i look at the timeline their is a good possibility it predates even the tecinter imperium. Anyway ogres appeared in the first blight so the darkspawn are far more widespread then the thedas nations assume

The attempt to enter the golden city was attempted at 800 TE. that means thats 1300 years ago

Modifié par DKJaigen, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:53 .

[Jamie_edmo]

Malcolm Hawke - Warden Deserter is my guess

[Obadiah]

Foolsfolly wrote...
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If they were just infectious monsters that created broodmothers to spawn more infectious forms...then it's a horrible evil virus. That could be natural in a world with magic, elves, dwarves, and werewolves.

The fact that they have no soul (thus the Archdemon can inhabit any body), no mind, yet have some resembling a hive mind, can forge, build, and dig all in the effort to find Old Gods....

I mean, that's too well done. That's too unstoppable. That's some powerful blood magic (no doubt it's blood magic in origin since darkspawn blood turns people into ghouls, kills them, and when mixed with lyrium give people powers).

It has to be a weapon.
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My thoughts are similar, but my belief (purely conjecture) is that that the darkspawn are some sort of corrupted/enslaved other parasitic species that was previously living underground on the fringes of civilized society. I believe that because the Architect was able to "free" them in Awakenings.

I am curious to find out if they can survive without the taint.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Jamie_edmo wrote...

Malcolm Hawke - Warden Deserter is my guess

If Hawke's father was a warden, then it would make sense for the Templar to allow him to escape from the circle.  Also if he was a warden, then that means that Wardens can be parents.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

HSHAW wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why can't Darkspawn originate from Magisters entering the Golden City/Black City? No one has ever ventured there, even the spirits of the Fade avoid that place. It may not be the Maker who created the Darkspawn, but the Black City itself, can be involved.

The Conductor (another intelligent darkspawn) being in thedas a few hundred years before the magisters went near the black city makes it unlikely that the darkspawn are the magisters' fault.

Do we have a date for when the Magisters did their experiment? If they only were a handful of magisters who entered, it would also only be a handful of Darkspawn being created originally, which would account for the delay before they attacked Tevinter. They'd also have to find Dumat first.

According to the Chantry the Magisters entered the Golden City in 800 TE, were corrupted, and the First Blight ended in 992 TE.


The Chantry is wrong about the origins of Darkspawn.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Probably. But then again, their story might simply be allegory, like most religious tales.

[TEWR]

That's what Wynne seems to think too.

[Jamie_edmo]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Jamie_edmo wrote...

Malcolm Hawke - Warden Deserter is my guess

If Hawke's father was a warden, then it would make sense for the Templar to allow him to escape from the circle.  Also if he was a warden, then that means that Wardens can be parents.

Isn't that already confirmed as you can have a kid with morrigan even without the ritual or am i forgetting sumthing?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wardens can be parents. Two Wardens together can't concieve a child, but a Warden and a common human/elf/dwarf can concieve a child.

[Jamie_edmo]

^ So in theory Malcolm and Leandra can have children even if he's a warden?

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Jamie_edmo wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Jamie_edmo wrote...

Malcolm Hawke - Warden Deserter is my guess

If Hawke's father was a warden, then it would make sense for the Templar to allow him to escape from the circle.  Also if he was a warden, then that means that Wardens can be parents.

Isn't that already confirmed as you can have a kid with morrigan even without the ritual or am i forgetting sumthing?

What you say is true for a male warden, this might not be the case for a female warden who would carry the child.  There are only two female wardens in the game that have had children.  Fiona (Alistair's possible mother) and Sophia Dryden.   As far as we know Leandra was not a warden and the theory of Malcome being a warden is that only a theory at this point. 

If the Architect is the Conductor's spirit which I'm guessing that he is then he only needs Hawke's blood to break free.  Because the Architect already has the blood from the Warden Commander of Ferelden and the wardens from Orlai that were killed or missing in Awakenings.

[TEWR]

you're forgetting that epilogue slides are considered hearsay and rumor

[EmperorSahlertz]

Even discounting the epilogue of DA:O, Fiona still concieved a child.

[Jamie_edmo]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

What you say is true for a male warden, this might not be the case for a female warden who would carry the child.  There are only two female wardens in the game that have had children.  Fiona (Alistair's possible mother) and Sophia Dryden.   As far as we know Leandra was not a warden and the theory of Malcome being a warden is that only a theory at this point. 

If the Architect is the Conductor's spirit which I'm guessing that he is then he only needs Hawke's blood to break free.  Because the Architect already has the blood from the Warden Commander of Ferelden and the wardens from Orlai that were killed or missing in Awakenings.

Ah, so in theory, Malcolm could be a warden with children?

Plus the Architect's spirit thing is an interesting idea.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Crazy Idea but what if The creature who was trapped undeground was related to Hawke o.O

I think alot of people are speculating that he is/was.  My theory (until people play the dlc) is that the Conductor is a Trevinter Magister,  or a warden who changed or didn't fully change for his calling and he has to be a warden who was a mage.   I'm guessing the Conductor is Hawke's relative Parlathan.  He was also a Trevinter Mage and I believe he disappeared.  He was also working with King Calanhad (sp) and Alistair is the King's ancestor. 

My theory is that the Architect is the Conductor's spirit. 

[Jamie_edmo]

^ Good ideas, but it may be a bit deep for a DLC, what do you think?

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Even discounting the epilogue of DA:O, Fiona still concieved a child.

True and she also brought her child to King Maric and told him he was his son at the end of "The Calling."

The tale of Sophia Dryden is kinda of questionable for me, even though Levi Dryden said she was his grandmother.  So something doesn't fully jive right here.  The Dryden's were of the royal line of Ferelden.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Jamie_edmo wrote...

^ Good ideas, but it may be a bit deep for a DLC, what do you think?

Might be a plot hook for future games.  We already know that Morrigan's tale is, and WH left us with more questions than answers. 

[Jamie_edmo]

@ ElvaliaRavenHart - Maybe, but given how the darkspawn were handled in DA2, i feel as though the Dragon Age franchise is moving away from the Darkspawn and onto different conflicts like the mage - templar war

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@Jamie_edmo.

Fernando Melo said on BioWare TV with the announcment of this new dlc that the Darkspawn and Grey Wardens are central to the lore in Dragon Age, and this is this the reason for the dlc. They wanted to return to the Grey Wardens with this dlc. I'm sure Grey Wardens and Darkspawn will always be a part of Thedas. DA2 shows they will be handled differently as they approach knew subject material.

This is speculation on my part but I see the the new book Asunder answering what is happening between the mages and the Templars set in Orlai and I see DA3 going somewhere else. I see DA3 going to Rivain, Antiva, Nevarra, Par Vollen, and possibly the Anderfels.