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[Ashwraith]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You can't stop the Reapers. Not now, not ever. However at least by joining them some species will survive the long cycle.

Sooooo, what you're saying is, "Iä! Iä! Mecha-Cthulhu fhtagn"?


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I like you. c:

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 05:19 .

[Xilizhra]

May do better? That's all you have? Hope?

I'm afraid you're letting idealism blind you. You see, that's what I like about TIM. He never lets that happen.

You can't stop the Reapers. Not now, not ever. However at least by joining them some species will survive the long cycle.

And this is the glorious thing. If I give up or if I lose, the result will be the same. I may as well try.

[Northernian]

The Illusive man wanted the Collector technology (which is actually sourced by Reapers) at the end of ME2. If Shepard made the renegade decision, in ME3 there is a possibility that the illusive man will be indoctrinated, since he'll have fallen under the influence of that technology.

If Shepard made the paragon decision at the end of ME2, in ME3 the Illusive man might turn out an ally. There's no indication whatsover that Illusive man will be an enemy in ME3. It all comes down to the decisions made in ME2.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Northernian wrote...

The Illusive man wanted the Collector technology (which is actually sourced by Reapers) at the end of ME2. If Shepard made the renegade decision, in ME3 there is a possibility that the illusive man will be indoctrinated, since he'll have fallen under the influence of that technology.

If Shepard made the paragon decision at the end of ME2, in ME3 the Illusive man might turn out an ally. There's no indication whatsover that Illusive man will be an enemy in ME3. It all comes down to the decisions made in ME2.

You're funny.  Going along with this kind of thinking, if the Rachni Queen is spared she'll get indoctrinated and turn all the Rachni into permanent enemies.  But then if you killed the Rachni Queen, there just so happens to be others that aren't indoctrinated lurking out there in the galaxy that show up and help Shepard fight the Reapers.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[Northernian]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Northernian wrote...

The Illusive man wanted the Collector technology (which is actually sourced by Reapers) at the end of ME2. If Shepard made the renegade decision, in ME3 there is a possibility that the illusive man will be indoctrinated, since he'll have fallen under the influence of that technology.

If Shepard made the paragon decision at the end of ME2, in ME3 the Illusive man might turn out an ally. There's no indication whatsover that Illusive man will be an enemy in ME3. It all comes down to the decisions made in ME2.

You're funny.  Going along with this kind of thinking, if the Rachni Queen is spared she'll get indoctrinated and turn all the Rachni into permanent enemies.  But then if you killed the Rachni Queen, there just so happens to be others that aren't indoctrinated lurking out there in the galaxy that show up and help Shepard fight the Reapers.

I just made a comment. There is no need to be cynical.
Rachni queen is one case, Illusive man is another. They don't overlap.

Modifié par Northernian, 13 août 2011 - 05:34 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Northernian wrote...

I just made a comment. There is no need to be cynical.
Rachni queen is one case, Illusive man is another. They don't overlap.

No they don't, but such thinking pretty much amounts to looking for ways to %&#$ the player and have the result of decisions be the complete opposite of intentions.  Which would be cool, from time to time.  But doing so on the big decisions?  That'd be like making the "Save the Destiny Acension" option result in aliens hating humans.

Shepard cuts ties with Cerberus when he/she blows up the Collector Base, why should that Shepard be the only one with the option to "redeem" Cerberus in ME3?  Because Shepards that preserved the Collector Base were too stupid to see that they had to save TIM from himself?  The same TIM who almost never leaves his secret base(s) and is all too happy to send hordes of researchers into dangerous environments?  Even if he does get indoctrinated if the Collector Base is kept, to then give players that destroyed the Base the option to help him again (while denying those who agreed with him) would just be insulting.  Unless of course there were some other benefit to preserving the Base.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[Seboist]

Meh, I have a feeling that the Collector base decision will degenerate into whether or not one's Shepard supports TIM/Cerberus much like the council decision degenerated into whether the player wanted them dead or alive.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Seboist wrote...

Meh, I have a feeling that the Collector base decision will degenerate into whether or not one's Shepard supports TIM/Cerberus much like the council decision degenerated into whether the player wanted them dead or alive.

Probably.  I'm hoping that as it is the final game they'll have a little more leeway with the (short-term at least) impact of decisions.  Bioware could always just set any future installment say 500 years in the future and reduce the impact of ME decisions to null.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 13 août 2011 - 06:44 .

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

It's been heavily hinted? Where? All I see are rumors invented by fans. Overlord just shows Shepard may have more cybernetic parts than suspected. We already knew (s)he had such parts since the start of ME2.

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

It's been heavily hinted? Where? All I see are rumors invented by fans. Overlord just shows Shepard may have more cybernetic parts than suspected. We already knew (s)he had such parts since the start of ME2.

Comments by Walters and Hale imply something's up.

[Homebound]

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

It's been heavily hinted? Where? All I see are rumors invented by fans. Overlord just shows Shepard may have more cybernetic parts than suspected. We already knew (s)he had such parts since the start of ME2.

Comments by Walters and Hale imply something's up.

shepard is reapers?

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

It's been heavily hinted? Where? All I see are rumors invented by fans. Overlord just shows Shepard may have more cybernetic parts than suspected. We already knew (s)he had such parts since the start of ME2.

Comments by Walters and Hale imply something's up.

Can you quote these comments?

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

It's been heavily hinted? Where? All I see are rumors invented by fans. Overlord just shows Shepard may have more cybernetic parts than suspected. We already knew (s)he had such parts since the start of ME2.

Comments by Walters and Hale imply something's up.

Can you quote these comments?

Walters: http://twitter.com/#...203535064498176

Hale: http://www.livestrea...fb-110d8d8a973e

Begin at 7:45 and see what she says about Shepard ^

Btw you should be thankful that I went through the trouble of fetching these since you're a Cerberus blood brother.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...

Walters: http://twitter.com/#...203535064498176

Hale: http://www.livestrea...fb-110d8d8a973e

Begin at 7:45 and see what she says about Shepard ^

Btw you should be thankful that I went through the trouble of fetching these since you're a Cerberus blood brother.

LOL, thanks for the trouble. Let's say I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but I see their merits and I like TIM.

As for the comments, they come down to
(1) An hitherto unrevealed fact about the Lazarus project will likely play a role in ME3.
(2) Shepard's got a "a twist, a new aspect" to her.

That's certainly suggestive. I do hope it's *not* Reaper technology though. I don't want the achievement of the Lazarus project to be lessened...

On the other hand, it would be yet another hint that TIM has been able to use Reaper technology towards his own ends without becoming the Reapers' puppet. Only if that's the case, why did the disaster at the derelict Reaper happen?

Hmm...it's All Very Confusing. I'm sure the writers are just now sitting in their chairs and smiling evilly at our grasping around in the dark

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...


LOL, thanks for the trouble. Let's say I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but I see their merits and I like TIM.

We'll need to work on that then....

That's certainly suggestive. I do hope it's *not* Reaper technology though. I don't want the achievement of the Lazarus project to be lessened...

Well, the reason why humanity is that advanced in the first place is due to Reaper derived tech and learning how to use it to revive someone is no small task.

On the other hand, it would be yet another hint that TIM has been able to use Reaper technology towards his own ends without becoming the Reapers' puppet. Only if that's the case, why did the disaster at the derelict Reaper happen?

Who knows, maybe Saphra's theory about TIM intentionally exposing them to it so they could build a connection to it and make it easier to find the IFF has merit. The mission complete report does say it's not unexpected....

Hmm...it's All Very Confusing. I'm sure the writers are just now sitting in their chairs and smiling evilly at our grasping around in the dark

That's true. :happy:

Modifié par Seboist, 13 août 2011 - 08:48 .

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL, thanks for the trouble. Let's say I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but I see their merits and I like TIM.

We'll need to work on that then....

I think as a reasonable person you can't be anything but ambiguous towards Cerberus. Extreme measures demand extreme justifications, even for a consequentialist, and you get the impression they're a little fast with throwing human lives away for the greater good. Maybe they're not, but the fact that you'll never know, at least if they are successful, means that Cerberus is not an organization you could ever exactly like. You can't tell me you don't feel uncomfortable with their methods, even if in the end you think they're necessary.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 août 2011 - 09:13 .

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

LOL, thanks for the trouble. Let's say I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but I see their merits and I like TIM.

We'll need to work on that then....

I think as a reasonable person you can't be anything but ambiguous towards Cerberus. Extreme measures demand extreme justifications, even for a consequentialist, and you get the impression they're a little fast with throwing human lives away for the greater good. Maybe they're not, but the fact that you'll never know, at least if they are successful, means that Cerberus is not an organization you could ever exactly like. You can't tell me you don't feel uncomfortable with their methods, even if in the end you think they're necessary.

Well, my canon Shepard and the one I've used for my first playthroughs of ME1 and 2 is actually the least pro-Cerberus of my three Shepards. She/I were 100% anti-Cerberus in ME1 and in ME2 we were of the initial thought of "Okay, these guys are very shady but if they're willing to help us fight the Collectors/Reapers then that's alright". I had her keep the Rawlings' data as leverage ,took David out of Overlord due to feeling bad and apalled over what happened to him(we weren't against the official purpose of the project though), and kept the Collector base due to finding it necessary and not of a desire to be pro-Cerberus/TIM.

That's the best representation of how I personally would react if It was me put in that situation and experiencing it for the first time without any foreknowledge. I would be.... unsettled by their methods and wouldn't be fully trusting of them but would give them the benefit of the doubt due the greater galactic threats to humanity.

Of course with the benefit of hindsight and knowing all this information from the games and other media I know that TIM is a great selfless advocate and hero of humanity and that his organization does good work even if some of their methods are unsettling. :happy:

[Zulu_DFA]

Seboist wrote...

One of the reasons why I'd like to see my main femshep with TIM is that it's very reminiscent of the Aeon Flux/Trevor Goodchild love-hate relationship(from the cartoon obviously..) and that would be pretty awesome.

Hmmm.

So far I've been experiencing zero interest in the Mass Effect movie. However, if Charlize Theron plays Commander Shepard... it might catch my attention!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I find option B more intriguing. While canon has made it pretty clear that TIM does have a connection with the Reapers... well, so does Shepard, in a sense*. I could just be in denial, but it seems like an enormous wallbanger for the Illusive Man, whose entire m.o. up to this point has run counter to that of the Reapers, to suddenly switch sides and go 'SCREW IT I'M JUST GONNA DUMP ELEVEN BILLION CREDITS AND ALL OF THAT WORK DOWN THE DRAIN'.
To my mind, an internal power struggle makes much more sense.

I don't see why. TIM spent all of ME2 thinking that the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity; now he realizes that the Reapers want to make humanity into one of them. A living god.

Because Human advancement and dominance = turn into a Reaper .

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I find option B more intriguing. While canon has made it pretty clear that TIM does have a connection with the Reapers... well, so does Shepard, in a sense*. I could just be in denial, but it seems like an enormous wallbanger for the Illusive Man, whose entire m.o. up to this point has run counter to that of the Reapers, to suddenly switch sides and go 'SCREW IT I'M JUST GONNA DUMP ELEVEN BILLION CREDITS AND ALL OF THAT WORK DOWN THE DRAIN'.
To my mind, an internal power struggle makes much more sense.

I don't see why. TIM spent all of ME2 thinking that the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity; now he realizes that the Reapers want to make humanity into one of them. A living god.

Because Human advancement and dominance = turn into a Reaper .

TIM haters will say anything to slander such a great man.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You can't stop the Reapers. Not now, not ever. However at least by joining them some species will survive the long cycle.

Execpt joining them does not mean the perservation of humanity (or whoever else). It simply means the creation of another Reaper or slave-race. If TIM's idea of saving humans is that, he is just another dumb bad-guy that needs to be shot down.

[Seboist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seboist wrote...

One of the reasons why I'd like to see my main femshep with TIM is that it's very reminiscent of the Aeon Flux/Trevor Goodchild love-hate relationship(from the cartoon obviously..) and that would be pretty awesome.

Hmmm.

So far I've been experiencing zero interest in the Mass Effect movie. However, if Charlize Theron plays Commander Shepard... it might catch my attention!

She didn't play the real Aeon Flux though.

[Ashwraith]

Ohlawdy don't even get me started on the train wreck that was that movie. We'll be here all day. >.>

Wheeeeee, tangent!